And Russian?
Cause I use Win7 and Chrome too and English looks very bad.
The same on Vista and Chrome.

This is what it looks like here. I added the disgusting colour border to distinguish the screenshot image from locally-rendered text.


This is Raistmer's image, treated similarly.

Strange. Cyrillics looks like this when I use them.
Both Latin and Cyrillics gets a bold font.
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So, you have ClearType enabled probably.
Screenshots differ considerably.

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So, you have ClearType enabled probably.
Screenshots differ considerably.

Dunno - I just downloaded Chrome and used it as it came. For the screenshot from my machine I used the Windows 7 snipping tool and saved as .png: for the borders, I opened a blank image in M$ Paint, slightly larger than the original grab, and copy-pasted the entire image - then flooded the margin with gunk. Shouldn't have altered the rendering, but I never know with image manipulation.

So, you have ClearType enabled probably.
Screenshots differ considerably.

Dunno - I just downloaded Chrome and used it as it came. For the screenshot from my machine I used the Windows 7 snipping tool and saved as .png: for the borders, I opened a blank image in M$ Paint, slightly larger than the original grab, and copy-pasted the entire image - then flooded the margin with gunk. Shouldn't have altered the rendering, but I never know with image manipulation.

http://clip2net.com/s/3EYCkh2

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The only potentially significant words I can read on that page are "Windows Vista".

The only potentially significant words I can read on that page are "Windows Vista".

Though more important one is disabled ClearType option on front dialog.
This explains the difference between 2 pictures - different smoothing. But doesn't explain why Russian letters look perfectly w/o smoothing and English ones look much less readable and more bold. Bolder font hardens letter recognition.

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When I first go to the SETI site, the pull-down list under "Project" is missing "Account". I am already logged in if that matters.

After I navigate to another page (it doesn't seem to matter which one), then "Account" appears.

Edit: "Join" is also missing.

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I see almost the same (and I like that better on my (not good focus) CRT 21" monitor @ 1600x1200 than the thin letters in Raistmer's image):



This is in:
FlashPeak Slimjet Browser Portable 3.1.6.0 (Chromium 40) - I used incognito window to avoid influence by any extensions
Windows XP - Language Setting for both the OS and browser is English

No ClearType (I don't like it):

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To locally override fonts used (and not only them) in Chrome StyleBot extension can be used https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha
Of course, it means extension should be installed on all hosts that used for browsing.
Changing font from "default" to Helvetica solved issue for me.

Sad that at least 2 SETi devs spend their time on WEB-design issues instead of very topic of this project.

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Sad that at least 2 SETi devs spend their time on WEB-design issues instead of very topic of this project.

Even sadder that the last remaining BOINC developer isn't preparing for release of fixes for already-fixed bugs (v7.6.22 will have been 'recommended' for a whole year, later this month: and v7.6.33 has been in 'testing' for almost six months).

But back to fonts: nowadays, I'm using exclusively HD LCD monitors with digital interfaces - 1920x1080, 1920x1200, or 1600x1200 (one old one that hasn't failed yet...). ClearType is said - in the tuning tool - to be designed for this environment: I'm used to it now, and I certainly wouldn't want to change OS settings for just one family of websites. We also ought to be ensuring that the same OS settings and fonts are optimal for both the BOINC Manager and for BOINC-related websites.

I certainly wouldn't want to change OS settings for just one family of websites.

Neither I but did forced to do such (not OS settings but browser behavior). Or you really think that I visit only SETI boards or complain about each and every site I visit?

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I certainly wouldn't want to change OS settings for just one family of websites.

Neither I but did forced to do such (not OS settings but browser behavior). Or you really think that I visit only SETI boards or complain about each and every site I visit?

I checked the Chrome settings, but I didn't see any way of turning ClearType off for the browser only. And it works well for the rest of the Windows - not browser - desktop.

Even sadder that the last remaining BOINC developer isn't preparing for release of fixes for already-fixed bugs (v7.6.22 will have been 'recommended' for a whole year, later this month: and v7.6.33 has been in 'testing' for almost six months).

In case someone hasn't figured it out, we're tools. the 'last remaining BOINC developer' doesn't care what the 'tools' think as long as they remain 'useful'.................

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Hmm, my statement yesterday about the current font being legible needs a limitation - here at work it is OK, but at home it is "not so good".

Also spotted another quirk:
When a "code" line is wider than the screen instead of seeing the local horizontal scroll bars the "virtual" page width increases, and scroll bars appear for the whole page - talk about a grade one pain :-(

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I certainly wouldn't want to change OS settings for just one family of websites.

Neither I but did forced to do such (not OS settings but browser behavior). Or you really think that I visit only SETI boards or complain about each and every site I visit?

I checked the Chrome settings, but I didn't see any way of turning ClearType off for the browser only. And it works well for the rest of the Windows - not browser - desktop.

??? You answerring on my message? It's third break of logic for past 2 days so let's trace step by step.
1) I have ClearType OFF => what I see on the screen != what you see on the screen.
2) It's system setting => hardly one should search browser options for it.
3) I had ClearType OFF from very beginning of OS installation and surely did not change that option recently => any recent changes can not be attributed to ClearType setting.
4) Font changed recently and there were no complains before its change and there is complain after its change => there was font that looked OK for both ClearType ON and ClearType OFF setups.

So, the root of evil is ClearType and it's absence in browser settings?

Regarding "And it works well for the rest of the Windows - not browser - desktop." just as ClearType OFF does for me everywhere but here (actually, with hack I described earlier it looks adequate too from single place where I perhaps will look for these boards cause have no inclination to install browser extension everywhere).

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OK, OK - calm down, please. You were the first one to mention ClearType, and suggested it might be related to the difference between what you saw and what I saw, because you didn't use ClearType and I - as you correctly surmised - do use it. (message 1833339)

I was simply trying to replicate your observations, so that we could give helpful guidance to David in his efforts to find a suitable css configuration giving the best readability in the widest possible range of configurations. Would I be right in summarising your "bad font" experience to be specific to

English text (Roman font)
Russian (Cyrillic) primary locale
ClearType not activated

English text (Roman font)

Can't confirm cause didn't see the name of font.
What can be said that change Font family from "default" (whatever it was) to Helvetica resulted in enough improvement of readability to stay with this choice. Also, for this substitution both Cyrillic and English symbols look similarly (of course as should be for any mature enough font).

Russian (Cyrillic) primary locale

Nope. English (United States) primary locale.

ClearType not activated

Yes, ClearType disabled.

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Further to my readability problems - I use Firefox, both at home and work.
At home readability was poor, but at work it was OK-to-good so I had a prod around the many options, and found one that I hadn't spotted before....
Off the content - options page (http://about:preferences#content) is an "advanced" sub-page to select the fonts used, in the middle of this page is a tick box "Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of my selections above" - This was unticked at work, and ticked at home, so I tried ticking it at work, and readability went downhill fast, so I reverted to unticked at work, and unticked it at home whence readability dramatically improved.
It looks as though there is a "rogue" font being used by the new page formatting scripts. This actually ties up somewhat with what Raistmer & Richard have been seeing.

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Using the 'inspect element' technique that Juha introduced us to on the mailing list, I see that my current font on this screen and website is rendered using:

"font-family: "Lato","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"

for body text from bootstrap.min.css:11

If I disable that setting, the font changes to

"font-family: sans-serif;"

for html from bootstrap.min.css;11 - that's noticeably different from the "Lato" family (narrower, and less evenly spaced), and I like it less.

The font at BOINC with the almost-closed 'c' that I find ambiguous comes from

"font-family: "Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" in bootstrap.min.css;5

So maybe it's that "Lato" which is causing the differences?