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Message 1843884 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 1:14:59 UTC - in response to Message 1843882.  

I watched a documentary on the History Channel yesterday about Donald Trump and his path to the White House. If that had been aired before the election I might have voted for him. It's amazing how many of his old elitist friends turned their backs on him.

I think I watched the same documentary the other week.
It started with his upbringing in Brooklyn and Queens.
Beeing sent to an army school because of his bad manners.
Still he acts like a high school teenager bullying others.
No votes from me.
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Message 1843893 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 2:00:40 UTC - in response to Message 1843884.  

I watched a documentary on the History Channel yesterday about Donald Trump and his path to the White House. If that had been aired before the election I might have voted for him. It's amazing how many of his old elitist friends turned their backs on him.

I think I watched the same documentary the other week.
It started with his upbringing in Brooklyn and Queens.
Beeing sent to an army school because of his bad manners.
Still he acts like a high school teenager bullying others.
No votes from me.

Yes I think that that doco was was more a morality test for the viewers than anything else.

Some failed while most passed.

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Message 1843911 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 2:43:39 UTC

Like always, people's point of view is colored by their politics.
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Message 1843912 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 2:46:50 UTC - in response to Message 1843911.  

Like always, people's point of view is colored by their politics.

Alternative facts?
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Message 1843939 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 4:40:07 UTC

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Message 1843941 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 4:56:11 UTC - in response to Message 1843939.  

If he can't get this dismissed by the end of the week, it is game over.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/liberal-watchdog-group-sues-trump-alleging-he-violated-constitutional-ban/2017/01/22/5e8b35c2-e113-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

I look forward to hearing our forum's 2 constitutionalists opinions on the subject.
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Message 1843946 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 5:07:38 UTC

The article speaks for it self.
“This is not what the Constitution says. Paying for a hotel room is not a gift or a present, and it has nothing to do with an office. It’s not an emolument,” Dillon said then.

Another problem is the question of the watchdog group’s standing to sue. There is a general legal rule that to file suit against someone for wrongdoing, a plaintiff must have suffered some specific harm from that wrongdoing. That’s an issue that has hung over all the discussions of an Emoluments Clause lawsuit: If Trump does violate the Constitution, whom does he hurt?

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Message 1843953 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 6:17:15 UTC - in response to Message 1843946.  

The article speaks for it self.
“This is not what the Constitution says. Paying for a hotel room is not a gift or a present, and it has nothing to do with an office. It’s not an emolument,” Dillon said then.

emolument noun (usu. emoluments) formal
a salary, fee, or profit from employment or office


Another problem is the question of the watchdog group’s standing to sue. There is a general legal rule that to file suit against someone for wrongdoing, a plaintiff must have suffered some specific harm from that wrongdoing. That’s an issue that has hung over all the discussions of an Emoluments Clause lawsuit: If Trump does violate the Constitution, whom does he hurt?

Which is what they will vigorously argue. However, a well placed, if not a citizen, then who does have standing? "Or does this clause not exist in the constitution?" is going to get it on a district judges calendar. We will have to see about how SCOTUS takes that.
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Message 1843981 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 9:56:50 UTC

Isn't it just amazing how many ways people can interpret a few simple words to mean something totally different to what their actual meaning was meant to be.

I only thought that we had 1 Guy here, but it seems I was wrong.

It seems that Trumped up supporters seem to have a totally different meaning to simple words.

That maybe because of a few reasons and none of them point to anything close to being intellectual let alone being morally competent.

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Message 1843989 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 11:23:01 UTC - in response to Message 1843981.  

That has a label:

It's called politics :-)
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Message 1843997 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 11:55:20 UTC

And Trump is now back peddling like crazy, what's in his tax returns that has him doing a 180 degree turn now?

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Message 1843999 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 12:00:30 UTC


The constitution? It's no longer relevant. It's outdated. They didn't have cell phones or Internet back then, so we have to read new meaning into the words. We have to interpret it to fit our needs today.

I've been telling you idiots that for some years now and you've finally woken up to that fact instead of attacking me over it.

Good going Guy, you just prove how out of touch you and others really are. :-D

Cheers buddy. ;-)
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Message 1844008 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 12:33:06 UTC

Or, it's sarcasm.
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Message 1844025 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 13:31:49 UTC

Or, it's sarcasm.

Guy would go back to his greedy bible bashing ways before he would try to seriously take sarcasm out on us again as he has failed miserably each time that he's tried that before.

In fact I don't remember where Guy didn't fail big time, though I do remember all the big time fails that he has had over the years.

He's guaranteed to show us more failings yet. ;-)

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Message 1844036 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 14:28:57 UTC - in response to Message 1843941.  

If he can't get this dismissed by the end of the week, it is game over.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/liberal-watchdog-group-sues-trump-alleging-he-violated-constitutional-ban/2017/01/22/5e8b35c2-e113-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

I look forward to hearing our forum's 2 constitutionalists opinions on the subject.


Well, for what it is worth, the courts do not really have much jurisdiction over it at this time. Who does? Congress. Only Congress can remove him from office.

Easy way around it for Trump anyway. Get consent of Congress.

I dispute that this is a little-known provision of the US Federal Constitution. Every single US President (and quite a number of other US Federal Government officials) in my memory has gotten into a scandal over it, though it is usually over a personal gift of a valuable trinket of some sort. Trump is merely doing business, preexisting from well before his election. Renting rooms in a hotel. Guess what, he also does the SAME business with various parts of the US Government, as well.

All of this said, it would be best for Trump to divest himself of his holdings in some way while he is president. Would avoid the appearance of impropriety.

But filing a lawsuit? They are barking up the wrong tree. Concerned US Citizens need to lobby their Representative and Senators in Congress over an impeachment proceeding, not file some nuisance lawsuit. Non-US Citizens? Not really any of your business.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1844041 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 14:51:36 UTC - in response to Message 1844038.  

Non-US Citizens? Not really any of your business.

Since your new Fascist president is trying to destroy the world with his Fascist Neck Sunburn (RN's) ideas, it is indeed our business too.
The Non-US Citizens will continue to point out the criminality of the Trump administration.
If you don't like that, then tough shi*.
Maybe going to your local Trump Halleluja rally would help boost your confidence.

Geeze.....


He is not a Trump supporter.
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Message 1844063 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 17:02:38 UTC - in response to Message 1844047.  

Non-US Citizens? Not really any of your business.

Since your new Fascist president is trying to destroy the world with his Fascist Neck Sunburn (RN's) ideas, it is indeed our business too.
The Non-US Citizens will continue to point out the criminality of the Trump administration.
If you don't like that, then tough shi*.
Maybe going to your local Trump Halleluja rally would help boost your confidence.

Geeze.....


He is not a Trump supporter.

Well, he didn't exactly help stopping the Trump, as he himself writes:
"Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016"

Johnson took votes from the only one that could have defeated the Fascist.
Johnson never had a chance to become the president anyhow.
Voting according to your political views may be right, but sometimes voting tactically to avoid fascism could be more right.
(Not commening on Johnson's political ideas, even though he's kind of crazy too)


Well, as BAD as Trump is, Clinton would have been WORSE. I voted 'according to my political views' and also refused to vote for anyone who I considered to be BAD THINGS (tm).

If I had been willing to vote 'for the lesser of two evils'... it would have been Trump. But, no way in HELL was I going to vote for that (quoting my earlier posts) 'poison, fascist dictator wannabe'.

ME? A Trump supporter? <spit>

We DO need a business-person as President, in my opinion... Just NOT that Orange-rug wearing buffoon.

And our Constitution is not old and outdated... Your ideology is, ya commie-pinko. Even Cuba is undergoing some capitalist reforms under Fidel and now his little brother Raul. With the possible exception of that cesspool DPRK, name me one 'communist' nation that isn't.

Russia/USSR -> abandoned Communism.
the PRC -> huge Capitalist reforms in their economy.
Cuba -> growing number of Capitalist reforms in their economy.
Vietnam -> Mixed economy since the mid 1980s.

Communism FAILED.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1844120 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 22:25:01 UTC - in response to Message 1844036.  

Non-US Citizens? Not really any of your business.

This is so wrong as to be laughable. It is perfectly reasonable for non-US citizens to be concerned about who has the position of POTUS, just as it is perfectly reasonable for US Citizens to be concerned about the Head of State of, for instance, North Korea.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1844132 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 22:57:25 UTC - in response to Message 1844120.  

Non-US Citizens? Not really any of your business.

This is so wrong as to be laughable. It is perfectly reasonable for non-US citizens to be concerned about who has the position of POTUS, just as it is perfectly reasonable for US Citizens to be concerned about the Head of State of, for instance, North Korea.


As well as whether Brexit succeeded or failed.
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