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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
All that is wrong with the world today. The PC Monster Part 1 Part 2 I'm off to find a "safe space" :-) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
For our Mr. Left/Right. Read it through to the end. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/01/difference-left-wing-populism-170112162814894.html The difference between right and left-wing populism |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
For our Mr. Left/Right. Read it through to the end. Yep, we hope that the idiots of the world will learn. :-) Cheers. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
For our Mr. Left/Right. Read it through to the end. Wiggo, Yes, but exactly WHO are the 'idiots', and why do you use such an insulting term? The article that Gary linked correctly (in my opinion) lays out a case against populism in total, but then does some hand waving and claims that it only applies to right-wing (and not left-wing) populism. Although both apply the same principle - bringing together a crowd around a political idea in order to shape an "us" against a "them" - the concepts used to define these groups are radically different. This is also evident in the emotions each side uses to mobilise voters: fear of the foreigner on the right and hope for a better future on the left. The former is rooted in hatred and indifference, and the latter, in justice and equality. Both bring together a crowd using emotion to stir up an 'us vs. them mentality'.... But... BOTH sides evoke both fear AND hope... The article mentions only 3 choices in politics... right-wing populism (Trump), left-wing populism (Sanders), and the 'neo-liberal establishment third-way' (Clinton)... There are more choices than that. The article makes several good points about the negatives of populism, but then claims, without any factual justification, that these points do not apply to left-wing populism, right after admitting that they do.. hand-waving. "It's not bad when the left does it", somehow... BS. As to your use of the term 'idiots'... You do realize that per this article, you are put in the right-wing populist camp? Your frequent praising of Australia and condemnation of much of the rest of the world makes you a.... wait for it... nationalist. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
All that is wrong with the world today. LOL The roles have been completely reversed. Whereas today's leftist student movement is willing to sacrifice the freedom of speech -- fought for by their political predecessors - on the altar of trigger warnings and "safe spaces," this right is now being defended by the very same right-wing whose political antecedents sought to prevent it back in the day. I agree with some of it.. The first paragraph of my quote is spot-on. It IS strange that the left has abandoned freedom of speech, while the right has embraced it. But the next part... Of COURSE, freedom of speech MUST include 'freedom to insult'. Really... If one's "speech" can be shut down by someone else's claim of being 'offended', then one does not truly have "freedom of speech", does one? And "license to spread untruths"... ALL do that. CNN does that. Al-Jazeera does that. (MS)NBC does that. Both ABCs do that. ITAR-TASS does that. Xinhua does that. VOA does that (in spades). The NYT does it. The BBC does it. Der Spiegel does it. AP, UPI, Reuters, AFP... they do it. And yes, Fox News does it. They ALL spread exaggerations, outright lies, and exercise editorial decisions to shape public opinion and/or their pet political agenda. ALL of them. The only sane thing to do, in my opinion, is to 'consume' media from a wide variety of sources... Just like getting a 'balanced diet', you need (at least in my opinion) a 'balanced world-view and perspective'. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Economic growth helps everyone. It is NOT a 'zero-sum game'. Yes. Well perhaps not in the US. This visualization shows you 35 years of US income inequality. This is however actually a trend in the western world... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/this-visualization-shows-you-35-years-of-us-income-inequality The largest section (in yellow) shows the bottom 90% in the US. From 1979 to 2014, their share of income fell from 67.65% to 52.66%. But Trump will fix that. It's gonna be Great:) |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
You are forced to give rich people your money every time you are denied a raise or given a smaller raise than they can afford. You are forced to give rich people your money every time your employer profits a dollar and doesn't give you any. Rich people aren't necessarily bad or evil. But the system in which we function encourages greed and encourages them to screw us . #resist |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
You are forced to give rich people your money every time you are denied a raise or given a smaller raise than they can afford. You are forced to give rich people your money every time your employer profits a dollar and doesn't give you any. The reason your employer exists is to profit from your labor. If they did not, the company would close and you would not have a job. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
But Mark, I don't feel it's asking too much that they share a bit of the profits with me. By all means, let them profit. Just give me (us) even a tiny bit! #resist |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
But Mark, I don't feel it's asking too much that they share a bit of the profits with me. Well, MY employer certainly does. I have no complaints there. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Well, perhaps a more famous, or at least more modern, instance of that quote... "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance... Remember, it CAN happen here!" I quoted him here a few years ago... http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74146&postid=1479839 And I like that quote you used... Though you did leave off the first line. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
But Mark, I don't feel it's asking too much that they share a bit of the profits with me. Well, they kind of do share it. In both Taxes and Wages. The employer pays his employees their wages... That is the employer buys the employee's labor at a price they mutually agree on. If the employee feels it is not enough, they can always either quit or not take the job to begin with. Either find another job that will pay more, or go into business for yourself. If enough people feel that the Taxes are not enough, well... that is why we have elected representatives in Government... the taxes can be increased thusly. Just don't be an indolent whiner. Either do something to help yourself, or hush. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
But Mark, I don't feel it's asking too much that they share a bit of the profits with me. As I said before .... . Yes, one can seek better (higher paying( employment. But that search requires time and money. Time above and beyond the current work. Money to send one's transcripts, for example. To travel to job interviews. T move to the new job. So on and so forth. You often point out factors people miss, yet you leave out many factors as well. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Yes, one can seek better (higher paying( employment. Sounds very familary to me and I'm sure to many other Europeans as well. Blaming people to not work where it's no need for work to be done! |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Note to other Posters. https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=horde&qs_version=NIV Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=horde&qs_version=NIV Oh dear. When did the US Elections and voters start to consider to old Bible texts? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=horde&qs_version=NIV There has been a block of them going back many years. Sometimes on the left, sometimes on the right, but always objectionable and unwilling to reason. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Only one more day until Nixo- I mean Trump, takes over. @Guy, yes, sometimes you can work you @ss off, and be smart and get ahead. I too have worked very hard to even get to a point where I can save anything at all, and on my current path I will obtain a better retirement than any of my close friends and even family will (because they too are irresponsible with their money). That said, there are many of us out here who are still grossly underpaid, and my ability to save for retirement certainly comes at a cost (lower standard of living), and any little disaster or illness or unforseen consequence in my life could certainly wipe out everything I've worked so hard to save. ---Good thing we have the 'greatest jobs president' coming in to power now, which will certainly put upward pressure on my wages, I mean, that's what Republican presidents do, right?? oh, and as a proponent of single payer healthcare as I've mentioned many times, I would rather we all pay a little in taxes every week into a socialized system (like Medicare for example) and everyone have coverage. the ACA is not my ideal system, but I also cannot advocate a repeal-without-replace, because then we are once again just leaving our brothers and sisters behind to die. It's all too easy for those who have, to not care about those who don't and can't have. There aren't jobs for everyone and even people with jobs often don't have access to health care. What do you suppose those people should do?? #resist |
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