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Message 1841362 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 7:41:25 UTC

In any case this has been a good flame war the mods have allowed, so good for free speech rights!


But I think it might be time to get back on topic.
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Message 1841372 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 8:32:52 UTC - in response to Message 1841357.  
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And you thought Monica Lewinsky was bad ...
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html
I'd link & quote, but the sex acts the Russians filmed of him with prostitutes are too perverted.

And now we know why there will be closer ties with Russia and why he has it out for intelligence community.

Mr. Grab them by the .....

Yea, was reading up on this- If that's a real leaked document, things are far worse than even I have imagined/alluded to.


Edit: on second thought regardless whether this document is real or fake- WHAT THE H*** IS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY?
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Message 1841435 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 14:50:06 UTC - in response to Message 1841406.  
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So, putting up a wall to stop an invading horde of Mexicans is racist, but allowing an invading horde of Jews to kick out Palestinians is not racist? And the idea of invading hordes of blacks kicking out the whites is not racists.

The incoming administration is going to be behind even more Jews kicking out Palestinians

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It's perfectly ok for bill clinton to have sex in the oval office with young, gullible little girls, but it's not ok for Trump to have sex with prostitutes (somewhere/somehow... didn't read that document... looks fake to me).

Getting a 'lewinski' is a far cry from the acts alleged in the questionable document.

Ex, you ask "WHAT THE H*** IS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY?" I've been answering this question all along: our federal government is out of control and the states need to stand up and put the federal government back in its place.

9 more days...

The thin thread holding this mess (Trump campaign, cabinet picks) together seems to be ready to unravel at any minute and let the whole group of em tumble and spill all over the floor. [edit] I do agree our government is out of control- that's for sure. (We just disagree on what exactly they *should* control).

What's it going to take for certain people to realize how horrible this man and some of his cabinet are? How many pieces does the country need to be left in?



I for one take the 'hateful' comment as an insult. Some of us are *critical*, that's very different than hateful.

To not be critical, and to not question ones government, is to be unpatriotic.
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Message 1841439 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 15:02:17 UTC - in response to Message 1841438.  
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What's good for the Goose. I've tried to be congenial.

...I certainly don't have these problems with other posters here. Guy for example is about as far from my beliefs as one could be, and we get along fine- we argue and bicker but that's what we're here to do. MK, Gary, others are also not the same political spectrum as myself, yet we have no problems co-existing. Get my point Clyde?

Back to the subject now.
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Message 1841442 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 15:10:35 UTC
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Actually the news regarding this questionable document has been reported by many mainstream and reputable outlets.

One thing they all say in so many words: The report has not been confirmed, and could be misinformation. (I suspect it will never be confirmed as real. Even if the intel community found it to be real info, they'd likely squash it in order to keep people from protesting)


That doesn't mean the press shouldn't report on it. I mean even the President and President elect had been briefed on this questionable document.

To not report on it, would be to roll over and submit. And that's not patriotic.
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Message 1841445 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 15:23:34 UTC - in response to Message 1841444.  
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I didn't defend buzzfeed, or the leaked document Clyde....

I defended the mainstream media's reporting on the subject!


I'm wondering if you'd rather have a censored press and media?
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Message 1841447 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 15:26:55 UTC - in response to Message 1841434.  

Push...

The Left is not Illogical. They are as hateful, as The Right they attack.

I do enjoy their Intellectual Suicide in general. And now specifically excusing an Anti Semitic Post, in these Forums.

As I said in another Thread: Just enjoy, for the Defense of Our Freedoms, their Dismissal and Destruction in these Forums and Internationally.

Fun to watch!!!


Wait. So, you enjoy watching as people hate one another? The damage it inflicts?
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
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Message 1841456 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 16:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 1841406.  

Guy, maybe because in one of your examples artillery is involved. In the other two examples you used there is no artillery. I don't know, but perhaps that is the difference?
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Message 1841461 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 17:23:22 UTC

Well, he did much better at this press conference than I expected. A couple points:

-I don't like the idea of him talking down to chosen members of the press, that doesn't portray an aura of impartiality and transparency, but this is nothing new.

-His statements about media ruining people's lives are a total hypocrisy- He's responsible for doing the same thing to people via Twitter.

-Overall no real news coming from the conference other than his final plans for his business while he's president- His sons shall run the business(es)... (I don't think this removes conflict of interest, in any way.)



One thing I was glad to hear is a stance against big pharma- I couldn't agree more. But the proof is in the pudding- I am curious what he and his administration will do.

not much else I can say here. Trumpitics as usual.
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Message 1841470 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 18:26:38 UTC - in response to Message 1841462.  
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...CNN isn't even trying to show any kind of impartiality, why should Trump? The press is a big reason we have so many problems.
Because he's going to be the President of The United States Of America.

Name one example of a person who was destroyed by a Trump tweet who didn't deserve it. Name one slanderous Trump tweet. Name one person defamed. Show me proof. I can show many examples of ruined lives by news media slander and defamation.

You kidding? Megan Kelly:

"the president-elect "really does need to be aware of the power that he has when he releases these tweets."

Kelly felt that power firsthand in August 2015, when she pressed the candidate about his derogatory comments about women during the first Republican primary debate. Trump responded with a Twitter attack, which was quickly followed up by a barrage of insulting tweets and even death threats from his followers."---it goes on but I'm short on time right now.

... Trump is showing what real leadership looks like. Shocking, isn't it? I look forward to snapping my heals and showing him my nazi salute in the future.
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Lol, get ready then! Soon we'll all be SUBMITting and CONFORMing.
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Message 1841472 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 18:34:59 UTC

It will be interesting to see how a business man takes this unprecedented opportunity.
Putin who is not a businessman has done very well.
Putin Worth $200 Billion, Was 'Stealing As Much Money As He Could' Says Investor

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/_200_billion_putin_s_reign_has_been_about_stealing_as_much_money_as_he_could_says_investor
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Message 1841497 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 21:26:48 UTC - in response to Message 1841496.  

Well in 10 days, all your troubles will be over :-)

Don't forget to come back in 12 months & have this thread reopened...

...so you can tell us all...

...I told you so :-)
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Message 1841500 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 21:38:25 UTC - in response to Message 1841497.  

Sirius it will take much more than 12 months to set back the changes made in the last 8 years. Economies and social changes move slower than that.
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Message 1841507 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 22:27:40 UTC - in response to Message 1841498.  

Anyone who thinks they really know what will happen. Is, as is sometimes said, playing with themselves.

& that's where you continuously fall down.

Where did anyone say they knew what will happen?

You've lashed out at all other groups, so (gawd forbid - A direct question for the Clyde), JUST what label will you pin on Trump?

The impression I'm getting is that you think Trump is the Messiah & does not deserve labelling.
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Message 1841513 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 23:17:38 UTC - in response to Message 1841406.  

So, putting up a wall to stop an invading horde of Mexicans is racist


No, putting up a wall to stop an invading horde of Mexicans is not racist, but it is dumb because walls don't work. You'd think after Berlin we would have figured that one out by now.

What is racist is making blanket statements about Mexicans being murders, drug dealers, and rapists, and more specifically saying the ones in the country illegally are guilty of these things.

And the idea of invading hordes of blacks kicking out the whites is not racists.


A comment without context is easy to interpret any way you choose. The statements were abstract examples of how the phrases themselves are not racist.

Got it. Another example of liberal logic.


No, just another example of your inability to see beyond your own partisan walls.
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Message 1841514 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 23:19:46 UTC - in response to Message 1841502.  

Sirius it will take much more than 12 months to set back the changes made in the last 8 years. Economies and social changes move slower than that.

Or to fix the damages of the last 16 years.

No... 16 years is not a typo.

Clyde you made a value judgment I did not and there is no consensus of what the damages are.
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Message 1841516 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 23:22:41 UTC - in response to Message 1841434.  

Push...

The Left is not Illogical. They are as hateful, as The Right they attack.

I do enjoy their Intellectual Suicide in general. And now specifically excusing an Anti Semitic Post, in these Forums.

As I said in another Thread: Just enjoy, for the Defense of Our Freedoms, their Dismissal and Destruction in these Forums and Internationally.

Fun to watch!!!


Yeah, rally together with the other righties of the forum. That's the only time you can try to appear strong is when you have others fighting the same battles with you. I'm beginning to see why you had a bad experience with the left. All it takes is for someone to press you for more information on your views and you hate them for it, call them names, and continue a delusional path of claiming your superiority over them by saying they're sinking.

I'm still waiting on those details answers on how you plan to fight for equal rights of all. GOT ANSWER? NOPE. YAP.
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