Tolerance, Clyde? FacePalm

Seems I remember a poster here who complained about safe spaces and microaggressions. It would seem his version of tolerance is everyone must accept the bully screaming vile hate filled rants in their face 24/7. Must tolerate others, but they are given the power to not tolerate you by not allowing you to say shut up!

I could say something about posting style, but I'll let the reader make that inference.

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Then rather than spending all your time antagonizing the lefties of the forum, why not spend more time talking about how you can better help Women's Rights, the LGBTQ community, etc.? Why do you seem to spend an exorbitant amount of time focusing on what you perceive as the Anti-Trump yelling, screaming, and stomping rather than focusing on what positive you can bring to this world?

OzzFan...

Positives? Stop The Right. Stop The Left. Stop PC Speech Police. Stop Anti-Religion Intolerance. Stop Religious Intolerance. Stop Intolerance.

Will you join me in this necessary process of showing the dangerers of both the Left and the Right. So we may start the long trek to freedom and tolerance.

Absolutely! How do you propose we stop the right and left? And what is your proposal to fight for not only religious tolerance, but tolerance of atheism? What is your proposal to help equality of the sexes? What is your proposal to helping the LGBTQ community? As soon as I see your detailed plan, and if your plan is a good one, I'll align right behind you.

Then rather than spending all your time antagonizing the lefties of the forum, why not spend more time talking about how you can better help Women's Rights, the LGBTQ community, etc.? Why do you seem to spend an exorbitant amount of time focusing on what you perceive as the Anti-Trump yelling, screaming, and stomping rather than focusing on what positive you can bring to this world?

OzzFan...

Positives? Stop The Right. Stop The Left. Stop PC Speech Police. Stop Anti-Religion Intolerance. Stop Religious Intolerance. Stop Intolerance.

Will you join me in this necessary process of showing the dangerers of both the Left and the Right. So we may start the long trek to freedom and tolerance.

Absolutely! How do you propose we stop the right and left? And what is your proposal to fight for not only religious tolerance, but tolerance of atheism? What is your proposal to help equality of the sexes? What is your proposal to helping the LGBTQ community? As soon as I see your detailed plan, and if your plan is a good one, I'll align right behind you.

Detailed plan to fix all human sin? Only an idiot, or one who believes in their Right to Control people, would even attempt that.

Murder is a human sin, and we attempt to control that through laws and consequences that say it isn't acceptable. Stealing is a human sin and we have laws against stealing and consequences against theft. Both are examples of humans trying to fix human sin through their Right to Control people. I assume you're OK with those laws, so why not laws that also restrict sinful human behavior such as the barbaric need to control a woman's body? Or laws to control sinful human behavior to stop people from controlling how a person identifies sexually and how they choose to live their lives?

However, their are a few thing that need to be done immediately.

First: Vote the Freedom Destroying Left, Progressives, The Right and KKK types, Out of Office.

OzzFan... Will you join me in this?

Treat all Racial Bigotry, by all Races, equally. Educate all, that any negative thoughts about an individual because of their race, gender, sexual orientation. Is vile and disgusting.

OzzFan... Will you join me in this?

Understand that if you give yourself, and others who believe as you do. The power to make one type of speech illegal. Your enemies will eventually take power and silence your right to your views.

OzzFan... Will you join me in fighting the Evil Speech Police?

The understanding that any power given to an Authority. Will eventually be used against all, who are not them.

OzzFan... Do you agree?

If you agree with the above. It may be a start of an interesting debate.

Your answers are not specific enough. Everyone already believes they do those things from their own perspectives, even if they are what you (specifically) call socialist/Marxist/etc.

Try to answer the questions again but this time with more details to each. For example, (and only as an example) how would you ensure someone who identifies themselves opposite of their birth sex that they can live their life according to their sexual identity and be safeguarded from those who would force their opinions of how they should live their lives out? Or, how would you ensure a woman's right to make decisions regarding her own body and not be forced to keep an unwanted child or give birth that may cause her to lose her life? How would you ensure an atheist has the right to voice concerns about the spending of public dollars on religious themes? How would you ensure that natural science is guaranteed to continue finding natural causes and explanations for that which we see around us without being forced into religious dogma?

Your answers are not specific enough. Everyone already believes they do those things from their own perspectives, even if they are what you (specifically) call socialist/Marxist/etc.

Totally valid point Ozz

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[Trump] has had a negative influence not only on the USA, but the entire world. Many [Trump supporters] have a false sense of superiority which needs to be put in its proper place.

Well Ex... (who made excuses for Stalin, Mao and Castro - Message 1840830)

This is a false statement, at best a mis-characterization. If you're going to reference a post, why not link it?

Message 1840830

which says:

And, there are experiments in communism that continue to survive, and even thrive. And some other experiment that possibly could have survived or thrived if the world had been different.

This is not making excuses, nor justifying mass murder and enslavement. Has Cuba survived? Has China thrived? Does Ex say these are good things?

Address what is said, not what you want others to believe is said.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Address what is said, not what you want others to believe is said.

But mama, that's where the fun is
But mama, that's where the fun is
Mama always told me not to look into the eye's of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is

No messages intended to annoy or antagonize other people, or to hijack a thread.
No messages that are deliberately hostile, threatening, or insulting.

I'd say having fun at the expense of another poster by deliberately mischaracterizing his meaning might fit into the above. Doing it over and over with many posters is a characteristic of an under bridge dweller.

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I'd say having fun at the expense of another poster by deliberately mischaracterizing his meaning might fit into the above. Doing it over and over with many posters is a characteristic of an under bridge dweller.

Well Gary... (who posted "invading horde of Jews" - Message# 1834379)

Are you speaking of yourself?

BTW: To those, who will again fail at their attempt to silence/censor truths. What are your beliefs about your fellow attacker Gary's description of a people?

Your silence regarding his description of people(s) he disagrees with, I can post more, is very illuminating. And just proves what I have been saying.

Well I have tried and tried to see what is wrong with what Gary said in "message 1834379" However all I see is him using the two opposite to make a valid point.

Not sure what your problem is.

All land everywhere belongs to those who have the power to control it now. What a mixed up world it would be if all land was returned to the control of the descendants of those who originally settled it, if they even still exist.

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So the Jews should be kicked out of Palestine because their ancestors originally settled it, then they left, so they can't come back?

So the Palestinians should be kicked out of Gaza by an invading horde of Jews with an army?

No wonder the world is screwed up.

<ed>never mind those islands in the South China Sea

I don't see that as a racist statement. I suppose I am reading it wrong.

I don't see that as a racist statement. I suppose I am reading it wrong.

But bringing it up every five minutes is an attempt to annoy and/or hijack

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In that case, you should use your academic contacts to have "horde of Mongols" erased from the history books - You know that horde of Mongols known as "The Golden Horde".

In that case, you should use your academic contacts to have "horde of Mongols" erased from the history books - You know that horde of Mongols known as "The Golden Horde".

Sirius B...

You are correct. Just a Bigoted Term.

Therefore "hoard of Jews" is as disgusting Bigoted.

Your acceptance of "hoard of Jews" is very illuminating.

Finally.... What I have been posting about The Left and Right. Is being confirmed.

No two ways about it - You're nothing but a broken 78rpm.

Suggest you buy a new needle for the player as the one in use is way beyond its sell by date.

So far on 2 similar themed threads you were asked a direct question, we're still awaiting a coherent answer.

A horde is defined as a large group of people. Jews is their nationality or religion (depending on identity). Why is the phrase "horde of Jews", or indeed "horde of Muslims", or "horde of Atheists" labeled as "disgusting" to you? It is a non-offensive term and you seem to have applied offense to it. Seems it reveals more about you and your sensitivities than it does about Gary.

I don't accept anything you say because at the end of the day the worst one for bias/racism on these boards is you.

A horde is defined as a large group of people. Jews is their nationality or religion (depending on identity). Why is the phrase "horde of Jews", or indeed "horde of Muslims", or "horde of Atheists" labeled as "disgusting" to you? It is a non-offensive term and you seem to have applied offense to it. Seems it reveals more about you and your sensitivities than it does about Gary.

OzzFan...

Thank you for confirming what I am saying about Gary and his allies in these threads.

Keep it up.

Yet another non-answer. You take a legitimate question that I'm asking and say I've confirmed something for you. Can you please explain why the term horde is deemed offensive to you?

Sorry don't like taking pills, and Viagra is a pill is it not? :-)

A horde is defined as a large group of people. Jews is their nationality or religion (depending on identity). Why is the phrase "horde of Jews", or indeed "horde of Muslims", or "horde of Atheists" labeled as "disgusting" to you? It is a non-offensive term and you seem to have applied offense to it. Seems it reveals more about you and your sensitivities than it does about Gary.

OzzFan...

Thank you for confirming what I am saying about Gary and his allies in these threads.

Keep it up.

Yet another non-answer. You take a legitimate question that I'm asking and say I've confirmed something for you. Can you please explain why the term horde is deemed offensive to you?

A description of Hoard of Blacks. Is not offensive to Blacks?

Why?

No, a horde of blacks in and of itself is not an offensive phrase. I would add that it depends on usage and intent from the person using the phrase, therefore there is a shade of gray here that you seem to be missing. You seem to want to take a very black and white approach to speech. Either it is allowed or it is not allowed. Sorry, I can't agree with that approach.

You asked me if I would join you in battling this kind of stuff. I said to you I needed more detail. If this is an example of one such detail, then I'm sorry but I can't join you as long as you take this black and white approach. There are shades of gray. Knowing Gary as long as I have, and knowing the context with which he used the phrase, he did not use it in an offensive way. I still want to understand why you see it that way?

If the word "horde is seen as racist/bigoted then a lot of erasing of history books are required.

Hordes of Zulus - 1879
Hordes of Arabs - 1948
Hordes of Chinese - 1950
Hordes of Arabs - 1967
Hordes of Arabs - 1973

Pretty sure there are many more references throughout history.

Too many are using political correctness on normal speech & where it is against a PC person's belief one is tagged as bias or racism, when in fact it is the PC person that is biased/racist.

And yet CLYDE has rallied against using Politically Correct speech.


... and I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions about how he plans to make the world a better place in detail. I'm sure if I hold my breath I'd pass out waiting for a response.

A horde is defined as a large group of people. Jews is their nationality or religion (depending on identity). Why is the phrase "horde of Jews", or indeed "horde of Muslims", or "horde of Atheists" labeled as "disgusting" to you? It is a non-offensive term and you seem to have applied offense to it. Seems it reveals more about you and your sensitivities than it does about Gary.

OzzFan...

Thank you for confirming what I am saying about Gary and his allies in these threads.

Keep it up.

Yet another non-answer. You take a legitimate question that I'm asking and say I've confirmed something for you. Can you please explain why the term horde is deemed offensive to you?

A description of Hoard of Blacks. Is not offensive to Blacks?

Why?

No, a horde of blacks in and of itself is not an offensive phrase. I would add that it depends on usage and intent from the person using the phrase, therefore there is a shade of gray here that you seem to be missing. You seem to want to take a very black and white approach to speech. Either it is allowed or it is not allowed. Sorry, I can't agree with that approach.

You asked me if I would join you in battling this kind of stuff. I said to you I needed more detail. If this is an example of one such detail, then I'm sorry but I can't join you as long as you take this black and white approach. There are shades of gray. Knowing Gary as long as I have, and knowing the context with which he used the phrase, he did not use it in an offensive way. I still want to understand why you see it that way?

"So the Palestinians should be kicked out of Gaza by an invading horde of Jews with an army?" was the quote.

Your 'explanation and/or exsual is very illuminating.

No, this is not acceptable to Jews. Nor to those who lost family members, to those who believe in describing people as "hoard of Jews".

We do understand, and are disgusted.

So... what he said was "So the Palestinians should be kicked out of Gaza by a large group of people who identify as Jewish with an army?" Using synonyms to say the same thing a different way sure puts a different light on it. Are you still disgusted by that statement? If so, why? And whos is the "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Note to other Posters.

Are you enjoying The Lefts squirming, as I am?

Translation: "Help! I'm being attacked and I sure could use some help from some of the people that have been battling these lefties on the forums. They're starting to make me defensive and I'm losing my cool. Sure could use some backup!"

Once again you've avoided answering a direct query. How am I supposed to join you in your battle against the oppressive if you never tell me where you're coming from?