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Message 1835987 - Posted: 15 Dec 2016, 0:54:31 UTC - in response to Message 1835885.  

What exactly is the problem with a person who really knows Putin..., and not some incompetent Democrat President and two incompetent Democrat Secretary's of State attempting a Russian Re-Set?

Well for one.
Besides the myriad of Kremlin connections, Tillerson will also have to deal with personal financial conflict of interest issues. The 64-year-old Texas-native has been Exxon’s CEO since 2006, and holds over 2.6 million share of the company’s stock, according to the latest available Securities Exchange Commission filing. That stake alone is worth roughly $240 million; additionally, his compensation package totaled over $27 million for 2015. Tillerson may have to divest his holdings to comply with conflict of interest laws, or recuse himself from negotiations that may affect Exxon or the oil and gas industry.

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Message 1836010 - Posted: 15 Dec 2016, 5:43:13 UTC - in response to Message 1836007.  

I guess success and competence are not necessary, and makes one unqualified to be in an important government position.

Clyde the man's history clearly shows no regard for US national policy. I guess you use post truth.
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Message 1836102 - Posted: 15 Dec 2016, 18:47:37 UTC - in response to Message 1836074.  

Amen, brother.
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Message 1836108 - Posted: 15 Dec 2016, 19:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 1836074.  

"This election showed that *thinking* Americans REJECTED, REPUDIATED and BLEW OUT the Marxist ideas and direction Obama was taking this country" ?
When it came time for Britain to make its historic vote on its continued membership of the E.U., 65.4 percent of voting age population headed to the polls.
But when it came time for Americans to vote in their own, similarly historic, election, it appears that around one in two eligible voters simply didn't turn up. While the final tally is still being counted, one estimate from the United States Election Project (USEP) suggested that turnout on Tuesday was around 56.9 percent, slightly down from 58.6 percent in 2012.


Meaning that around one in two eligible voters in the US simply don't care about democracy.
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Message 1836114 - Posted: 15 Dec 2016, 19:17:35 UTC - in response to Message 1836112.  

...Meaning that around one in two eligible voters in the US simply don't care about democracy.


That's a pretty large leap in logic there janne. Any of the "scientists" in here agree with this hypothesis/conclusion? Can you find any holes/gaps in this?

I believe a more reasonable hypothesis is that about 1/2 Americans are either too busy producing/paying tax/raising their family to make it to the polls

Ah, yes the 47% who actually have a job, or two or three, and produce. This opposed to the rentiers, who sponge and like Mr. Trump pay no taxes.
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Message 1836119 - Posted: 15 Dec 2016, 19:51:58 UTC - in response to Message 1836112.  

...Meaning that around one in two eligible voters in the US simply don't care about democracy.


That's a pretty large leap in logic there janne. Any of the "scientists" in here agree with this hypothesis/conclusion? Can you find any holes/gaps in this?

I believe a more reasonable hypothesis is that about 1/2 Americans are either too busy producing/paying tax/raising their family to make it to the polls or they're too STONED to realize what's going on outside their video game.

Wasn't it for those reasons that there is now more 'early voting' and 'postal votes' were meant to counteract, except of course not applicable in Republican controlled states where gerrymandering, voter identity issues and closure of voting stations seems to be the norm.
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Message 1836143 - Posted: 15 Dec 2016, 21:49:13 UTC

So sad to see what the tea party did to the republicans.
I guess once a democrat, even the dixie kind or the life long drumpf kind, always a democrat.

Perhaps it is time to haul the Tea in front of the House Un-American activities committee and propound the question: "Are you now or have you even been ..."
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Message 1836209 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 2:12:38 UTC - in response to Message 1836114.  

...Meaning that around one in two eligible voters in the US simply don't care about democracy.


That's a pretty large leap in logic there janne. Any of the "scientists" in here agree with this hypothesis/conclusion? Can you find any holes/gaps in this?

I believe a more reasonable hypothesis is that about 1/2 Americans are either too busy producing/paying tax/raising their family to make it to the polls

Ah, yes the 47% who actually have a job, or two or three, and produce. This opposed to the rentiers, who sponge and like Mr. Trump pay no taxes.


Not only is the article pre-Trump & pre-Brexit... it's pre-Varoufakis.
But once economic liberalization took off in the 1980s, the struggle was won decisively by capital, and labor’s share of total income has shrunk everywhere.

Neo-liberalism. ""Founded" by Reagan & Thatcher, put on steroids by Bill Clinton & Larry Summers.

Good luck explaining to anybody that voted for either of the Clintons that they enabled and are largely responsible for the rise of a plethora of far-right wierdos all across the Western World :(

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Message 1836219 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 4:22:43 UTC - in response to Message 1836149.  
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This election showed that *thinking* Americans REJECTED, REPUDIATED and BLEW OUT the Marxist ideas and direction Obama was taking this country.
Yep, the 'thinking' MINORITY of this country. (and only you people on the far right call him marxist. Far as I am concerned he was hardly even progressive..)

...He may go down in history as the president who came closest to destroying this country.
Being followed by Trumpler, this thought is laughable. We are going to be led into WWIII by the incoming administration.

The left realizes this. The left is afraid the POST TRUTH will come out that LIBERALS are the REASON this country is on the verge of BANKRUPTCY.
I think the word you were looking for was "neoliberals"

So they are trying anything/everything to reverse the elections with recounts in key states, actually THREATENING electors, de-legitimizing by claiming Russian hackers, etc.
I don't see *anyone* trying to reverse any election results within those key states, I have seen people doing recounts. And on the national level I also see lots of people investigating what happened, because there was alleged international influence- again this is not an attempt to overturn any results, it's an attempt to point out the truth to people.
And to say that people shouldn't be able to request recounts or that people shouldn't investigate allegations concerning the election would be pretty ignorant. People have a right to be informed and they have a right to be confident in the election process.

The left is going to relentlessly attack his presidency, relentlessly try to stop anything GOOD he tries to do,
Depends on what "good" things you mean, and I for one would L-O-V-E to see infrastructure investments like he promises.

...and probably bring up impeachment charges if they can find any fleeting appearance of impropriety between his businesses, his family and other countries.
I don't think we're gonna have to look that hard... A blind man could clearly see countless conflicts of interest already, and we haven't even started yet.

Didn't realize it until recently, but Trump may be exactly what this country needs. A BULL in a CHINA shop. Other than a constitutional convention (which is in the making), Trump firing everyone in Obama's administration and replacing them with *successful* people is the best chance we have to DRAIN THE SWAMP.
I for one am all for draining the swamp. Drain away baby! I will point out however there is a difference between being born into money and being successful... And perhaps there's a better pick to lead the Humane Society than Cruella DeVil...


Ya, right after Trump functionally said, "I don't want your stinking daily briefings, you're not that important and you're not that reliable either."
Yea, cause a president that ignores intelligence briefings is really going to be able to keep us safe.
Ignoring the daily briefings is akin to rejecting fact and believing fake news---- oh yea, nevermind...


edit: I didn't realize Alex had already touched on a couple of these points but hey.
Alex: I love the pic!
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Message 1836227 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 5:15:26 UTC

Well I see it has started. Need there be any doubt, christian sharia has arrived in America.
The Committee for the Propagation of Republican Ideals and the Prevention of Democratic thought has its charter.
http://www.professorwatchlist.org/
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Message 1836228 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 5:34:20 UTC - in response to Message 1836227.  

Lists, public shaming,

persecution



America is getting great again!

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Message 1836249 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 8:53:34 UTC
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I was very disappointed in the voter turnout in this election.
Happy with the result, and I know the reasons why.
But I really thought with as disenfranchised and angry as the American public was and is, that the turnout would have been enhanced, not diminished.
Maybe that speaks to just how really upset many are. They thought that it would make no difference, so they did not get off of their seats and do the deed. Shameful, in my opinion. Very much so.

And as I stated before, I suspect those who did not bother to vote at all are the ones raising the biggest ruckus now. Even more shameful.

This 'changing of the guard' was long in it's making. Too many honest, hard working, tax paying Americans were ignored and sidestepped for far too long. And they finally had enough of it. Their tax dollars were taken and squandered in ways they had no liking of.

I do believe it is in the country's best long term interest that things panned out the way they did.
Another 4 or even 8 years of the Dems in control would have been insufferable.

And I have also stated that I do not consider Trump to be 'God-given' or the ultimate president.
I do however, feel that he was the best choice available to us. If I did not, I would not have voted for him.
And now it is up to the rest of our political appointees to work with him for our greater good.

At least those few who are left when he gets done cleaning house. Or....'draining the swamp', as it has been put.

We, the American people, have spoken. A cliche' about now, but it is the truth. And we expect great things. At least FAR better things than the outgoing administration has done for most of us.

Meow for now.
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Message 1836276 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 12:52:29 UTC - in response to Message 1836271.  

Try reading this before making assumptions

http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/the-report/

GW sidekicks position doesn't come out well. There is still questions being asked about whether he should be taken to court.
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Message 1836283 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 14:29:26 UTC - in response to Message 1836271.  

Edit: that professor watch list is great! Thanks for sharing that! I'll keep an eye on it! Public humiliation is the only way we're going to put a stop to absolute craziness! People should be ashamed for pushing crazy ideas! And people who are thinking about pushing crazy ideas should at least be reminded to think twice before speaking!

After all, Turning Point USA's mission to identify, educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government is a noble cause!


Indeed. This is the crux of the right's version of PC. That is Patriotically Correct.

But conservatives have their own, nationalist version of PC, their own set of rules regulating speech, behavior and acceptable opinions. I call it “patriotic correctness.” It’s a full-throated, un-nuanced, uncompromising defense of American nationalism, history and cherry-picked ideals. Central to its thesis is the belief that nothing in America can’t be fixed by more patriotism enforced by public shaming, boycotts and policies to cut out foreign and non-American influences.


Anyone that doesn't help advance the conservative agenda must be publicly humiliated and shamed so they can be intimidated into falling in line. Sounds kinda like cronyism dictatorship to me.
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Message 1836290 - Posted: 16 Dec 2016, 14:41:50 UTC - in response to Message 1836283.  

Anyone that doesn't help advance the conservative agenda must be publicly humiliated and shamed so they can be intimidated into falling in line. Sounds kinda like cronyism dictatorship to me.

Might be a dictator, or might be Communism. The tea party can see a communist country from its porch and it is proud of that! or it that envy?
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