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Message 1834547 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  

Those totals you give don't match the ones I've read. Please give reliable link.

Should the election be decided on land area or people. I thought it was ""government of the people, by the people, for the people, "
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Message 1834549 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 1834542.  

Fine. Two can play at that game.

So you are saying that the 95.4% that ARE employed have a remuneration median of $39,509?
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Message 1834550 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:47:15 UTC - in response to Message 1834547.  

Those totals you give don't match the ones I've read. Please give reliable link.

He can't give a link to a reliable source because they are a post-truth.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/
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Message 1834552 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:55:00 UTC - in response to Message 1834547.  

I thought it was ""government of the people, by the people, for the people, "


It is. But via the States. And again, that's a good thing.

Unless y'all prefer the EU model where Germany rules the roost.

Food for thought.
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Message 1834562 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 7:02:14 UTC - in response to Message 1834549.  
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Fine. Two can play at that game.

So you are saying that the 95.4% that ARE employed have a remuneration median of $39,509?

I'll quote an even higher figure, median weekly wage earnings for all full time employees (111,725,000) in the US is $834, (men $919, women $751), 3rd qtr 2016.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm
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Message 1834563 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 7:05:52 UTC - in response to Message 1834550.  
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Those totals you give don't match the ones I've read. Please give reliable link.

He can't give a link to a reliable source because they are a post-truth.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/

I knew that, it is very easy to trace where he got his incorrect numbers.
He also doesn't realise that the GDP brought in by the counties who voted for Clinton brings in is over 60% of the total. Without them, the rest of the US would be on the streets with their begging bowls.

I see in the news that Trump is already sacking people.
That people are questioning whether the Michigan vote can be trusted, faulty machines, boxes having incorrect seals, questionable tallies of votes vs list etc.
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Message 1834593 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 11:31:31 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  

And Thanks, Cindy Hess-Luth for saving me the bother of trying to hunt down these statistics!

You should have tried harder. Posting utter guff does you no credit.
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Message 1834612 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 13:05:31 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  

I don't want to belabor the point, or maybe I do since the Stein Whine is still ongoing. This little tidbit was passed on to me today. This may help Janneseti and others questioning the reasoning in US elections......

Permit me to dedicate these FACTS to all the whiners out there. Do know that we so appreciate the humor with which you are providing us. And Thanks, Cindy Hess-Luth for saving me the bother of trying to hunt down these statistics!

There are 3,141 counties in the United States.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them.
Clinton won 16.

Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5>2.6 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond). Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than almost accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of our country - and WE THE PEOPLE didn’t let them!

That’s just another of those inconvenient truths so uncomfortable to those who need cheese to accompany their WHINE. And given the expanse of the WHINE, they’re gonna be needin’ a lot of cheese!

FTFY

Not sure why you picked Trump's home town as the place that provided Clinton her popular vote majority, at the moment her lead in CA is > 4.2 million votes.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1834616 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 13:42:34 UTC
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You should have tried harder. Posting utter guff does you no credit.
Doesn't seem to matter to CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times or Harry Reid(who does so from the floor of the Senate).
Interesting all the blank posting panels that show up afterwords probably as devoid of rational content as they were before the filter was applied.

"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1834628 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 14:39:17 UTC - in response to Message 1834616.  

You should have tried harder. Posting utter guff does you no credit.
Doesn't seem to matter to CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times or Harry Reid(who does so from the floor of the Senate).
Interesting all the blank posting panels that show up afterwords probably as devoid of rational content as they were before the filter was applied.

This is government by Trump. So we can expect more http://people.com/crime/man-opens-fire-in-d-c-restaurant-while-self-investigating-fake-news-story-about-hillary-clinton/
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Message 1834629 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 14:52:20 UTC - in response to Message 1834593.  

Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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"half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC"
-Alex Storey

The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.
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Message 1834635 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 15:41:26 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  
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This little tidbit was passed on to me today. This may help Janneseti and others questioning the reasoning in US elections......
Permit me to dedicate these FACTS to all the whiners out there. Do know that we so appreciate the humor with which you are providing us. And Thanks, Cindy Hess-Luth for saving me the bother of trying to hunt down these statistics!

There are 3,141 counties in the United States.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of our country - and WE THE PEOPLE didn’t let them!

That’s just another of those inconvenient truths so uncomfortable to those who need cheese to accompany their WHINE. And given the expanse of the WHINE, they’re gonna be needin’ a lot of cheese!

I'm aware that the US is a large country.
I'm also aware that the EU is a large "country".
Even the countries within Europe has the same demographic political differences.
For instance. People here living in Stockholm are called 08's (phone area code) by people living in Norrland (northern rural part of Sweden).
Many think they are ruled by us but in fact the majority of government are people from Norrland.

Now we also have the EU.
Ruled by who know...

So there are Cry Babies not only in the US.

Oh. Given the turnout in the election.
Could it be so that the rural parts tends to vote more?
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Message 1834636 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 15:49:11 UTC - in response to Message 1834629.  
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Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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Message 1834667 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 19:08:42 UTC - in response to Message 1834629.  
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Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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"half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC"
-Alex Storey

The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.

Alex,

Until very recently you have seemed like a reasonable poster. Bobby and WK also are reasonable. I've got a good idea that everyone is talking past each other. I think everything started because people expected some follow on to the number and everyone wanted to know where it originated so they could formulate cogent responses to it. As there has been no follow on everyone seems to be attacking everyone else (thanks Donald, your candidacy was good for something) and everyone is defending nothing.

I'm quite sure if that "IIRC" had been in your first post with a number, the tone of everything that followed would not have been seen by anyone as inflammatory, because it would have gone in a different direction.

In any case I saw a graph in a link somewhere in this pile of [redacted] that showed income growth in blue states where minimum wage hikes have happened vs red states where it hasn't. Seems that the people in red states have rotten paying jobs because they vote red and don't have minimum wage hikes. Guy who likes states rights, really must have a burn going on over that. Rust belt vote red, and keep on rusting. Fits well with the stock market that tends to go down under Republican administrations and up under Democratic.



<ed>found this
http://money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/countries-with-higher-wages-than-united-states/index.html?iid=surge-story-summary

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Message 1834674 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 20:12:11 UTC
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Here we go again,

<ed>found this
http://money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/countries-with-higher-wages-than-united-states/index.html?iid=surge-story-summary


Apples vs. Oranges with no definition of either fruit............what comprises the average vs the minimum figure? Is Government supplied healthecare and pension benefits and other subsidies included in the Average annual wage .? Are these figures before or after Taxes? What is the cost of living in each Country(that would provide a good measurement of actual standard of living).

Clinton News Network doesn't seem to provide links to sources or explanation of how the average was derived. Just a "pretty" little display....

Just say'n....

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Message 1834685 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 20:58:19 UTC - in response to Message 1834674.  
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Here we go again,
<ed>found this
http://money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/countries-with-higher-wages-than-united-states/index.html?iid=surge-story-summary

Apples vs. Oranges with no definition of either fruit............what comprises the average vs the minimum figure? Is Government supplied healthecare and pension benefits and other subsidies included in the Average annual wage .? Are these figures before or after Taxes? What is the cost of living in each Country(that would provide a good measurement of actual standard of living).
Clinton News Network doesn't seem to provide links to sources or explanation of how the average was derived. Just a "pretty" little display....
Just say'n....
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Hehe:)
It's impossible to compare countries with higher wages than the US and draw som conclusions from that.
CNN draws the conclusion that every OECD countries have mininum wages.
Not true.
CNN also shows the average annual wage.
But that would mean if for instance Bill Gates moved to Iceland their average annual wage would maybe be doubled:)

And as you're saying.
Cost of living and taxes are very much different in the countries compared.
Mark Twain. Where are you?.
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Message 1834692 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 21:20:10 UTC - in response to Message 1834629.  

Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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"half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC"
-Alex Storey

The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.

If you had said the income of more than half of the people is less than the average income, I would agree with you. I just think your number is on low side.

@Jaundiced
Care to name which party and its supporters opposes minimum wage increase?
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Message 1834711 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 23:15:51 UTC

I oppose a minimum wage , period.
I am for the rights of people to work where they wish and for a price that they can negotiate.
The minimum wage has always been bad for productivity and a cause of inflation.
The wages I was being paid 40 years ago would equal 10 times what that same job pays in today's dollars.


The high pitched whine of the liberal poster is just too much to bother with.
This Politics thread is no longer worth reading.
I'm done. I'll go look for nice people in a reasonable thread.
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Message 1834715 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 23:24:14 UTC - in response to Message 1834629.  

Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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"half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC"
-Alex Storey

The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.

Yes, JaudicedEye posted some data from an untrustworthy source and John dismissed it as utter guff after finding better data from a more trusted source. Your 30k was originally unattributed. Yes adding IIRC might have helped avoid the to-ing and fro-ing, (IIRC I was the one that suggested you could have added that caveat at the beginning, and Gary may be right in thinking the conversation could have followed a different path if you had).

BTW, among the many errors in JaundicedEye's post were references to the counties of Brooklyn and Manhattan, there is no county of Brooklyn in NYC, the NYC Borough of Brooklyn is Kings County, the NYC borough of Manhattan is New York County. He also said Clinton won 16 of the 62 NYS counties, finally something that's accurate:

1) Albany 74,775 vs 44,227
2) Bronx (*) 318,403 vs 34,424
3) Clinton 13,446 vs 13,181
4) Columbia 13,123 vs 12,756
5) Erie 197,686 vs 176,614
6) Kings (*) 595,086 vs 133,653
7) Monroe 174,063 vs 128,871
8) Nassau 307,326 vs 275,479
9) New York (*) 515,481 vs 8,935
10) Onondaga 102,915 vs 78,277
11) Queens (*) 473,389 vs 138,550
12) Rockland 63,454 vs 57,148
13) Schenectady 30,870 vs 27,268
14) Tompkins 25,555 vs 9,647
15) Ulster 40,010 vs 32,962
16) Westchester 245,670 vs 121,643

Combined these 16 counties accounted for 3,191,252 vs 1,293,635 from NYS's total of 4,149,500 vs 2,639,994, or about 2/3rds of all NYS votes (very roughly 2/3rds of the vote, from 1/4th of the counties). Quite a few of those 46 counties Trump won in NYS had fewer than 20,000 votes cast in total (Hamilton had the least with 2,756). I'm uncertain of the significance of counties won in a presidential election, other than as an indication of how the population is distributed between a small number of highly populated democratic leaning counties and a large number of low population republican leaning counties.

* Counties in NYC, the 5th county in NYC did go to Trump, Richmond (aka Staten Island) 67,561 vs 95,612.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1834718 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 23:48:08 UTC

Would a trump supporter dare read the enemy's description of themselves?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/report-majority-arab-youth-rejects-radicalism-161204112234602.html
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