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Message 1834523 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 2:06:58 UTC - in response to Message 1834504.  

Did not make this assumption - I had no idea what stat you picked, The only assumption I made was that you had a solid foundation for your statement, thus far it seems I was in error.


Ok, 3rd try at explaining this.

See bold above? As this is math, there is only one stat ANYONE can pick. There really is only one right answer.

If someone drops unemployment numbers on your lap that means you have X amount employed and Y unemployed. Now forget Y (which I'll remind you is the 4.6% stat). We're throwing 'em away because they made ZERO dollars.

Every one of those X made a specific amount of money in 365 days.
Now if you sort those X employed by annual income and try to find the guy in the middle, my MEMORY is saying Average Joe makes 30k.

(A wiki number I gave you earlier pretends that no-one aged 17-24 works for a living in the US so the median goes up obviously and it's the 32k previously posted. I think that's more than close enough to 30k considering the amount of low income earners you are chucking out of the equation.)

Is this understood by you and WK now?
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Message 1834526 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 2:22:14 UTC - in response to Message 1834523.  

Did not make this assumption - I had no idea what stat you picked, The only assumption I made was that you had a solid foundation for your statement, thus far it seems I was in error.


Ok, 3rd try at explaining this.

See bold above? As this is math, there is only one stat ANYONE can pick. There really is only one right answer.

If someone drops unemployment numbers on your lap that means you have X amount employed and Y unemployed. Now forget Y (which I'll remind you is the 4.6% stat). We're throwing 'em away because they made ZERO dollars.

Every one of those X made a specific amount of money in 365 days.
Now if you sort those X employed by annual income and try to find the guy in the middle, my MEMORY is saying Average Joe makes 30k.

(A wiki number I gave you earlier pretends that no-one aged 17-24 works for a living in the US so the median goes up obviously and it's the 32k previously posted. I think that's more than close enough to 30k considering the amount of low income earners you are chucking out of the equation.)

Is this understood by you and WK now?

No. Don't forget some unemployed do have income.
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Message 1834533 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 3:12:50 UTC - in response to Message 1834526.  

Oh FFS.

By definition, 50 percent of wage earners had net compensation less than or equal to the median wage, which is estimated to be $29,930.13 for 2015
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And if you find a number that's 34k or whatever, fine we'll go with that one. I really, really, really don't care.

But it's always going to median employed when you are referring to unemployment numbers.

NEVER full-time.
NEVER household.

Do you guys understand that yet or not?

https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2015
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Message 1834542 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 4:39:59 UTC - in response to Message 1834533.  

Oh FFS.

By definition, 50 percent of wage earners had net compensation less than or equal to the median wage, which is estimated to be $29,930.13 for 2015
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And if you find a number that's 34k or whatever, fine we'll go with that one. I really, really, really don't care.

But it's always going to median employed when you are referring to unemployment numbers.

NEVER full-time.
NEVER household.

Do you guys understand that yet or not?

https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2015

That link is for wages not income.
You appear to be going round in circles, please decide what you want to discuss.
Wages,
Personal income, full time, part time or other sources
Household income

You also need to sort out whether you want it to be median, or mean average.
And ages. There are plenty of people below 25 out there earning and also people who would normally be regarded as being in the pensionable age group.

These are some of the reasons why I chose a statistic that is generally regarded as the age group who would normally be in full time employment, and I also chose personal income because household income has too many variables,
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Message 1834544 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:06:36 UTC

I don't want to belabor the point, or maybe I do since the Stein Whine is still ongoing. This little tidbit was passed on to me today. This may help Janneseti and others questioning the reasoning in US elections......

Permit me to dedicate these FACTS to all the whiners out there. Do know that we so appreciate the humor with which you are providing us. And Thanks, Cindy Hess-Luth for saving me the bother of trying to hunt down these statistics!

There are 3,141 counties in the United States.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them.
Clinton won 16.

Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond). Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of our country - and WE THE PEOPLE didn’t let them!

That’s just another of those inconvenient truths so uncomfortable to those who need cheese to accompany their WHINE. And given the expanse of the WHINE, they’re gonna be needin’ a lot of cheese!

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Message 1834547 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  

Those totals you give don't match the ones I've read. Please give reliable link.

Should the election be decided on land area or people. I thought it was ""government of the people, by the people, for the people, "
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Message 1834549 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 1834542.  

Fine. Two can play at that game.

So you are saying that the 95.4% that ARE employed have a remuneration median of $39,509?
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Message 1834550 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:47:15 UTC - in response to Message 1834547.  

Those totals you give don't match the ones I've read. Please give reliable link.

He can't give a link to a reliable source because they are a post-truth.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/
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Message 1834552 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 5:55:00 UTC - in response to Message 1834547.  

I thought it was ""government of the people, by the people, for the people, "


It is. But via the States. And again, that's a good thing.

Unless y'all prefer the EU model where Germany rules the roost.

Food for thought.
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Message 1834562 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 7:02:14 UTC - in response to Message 1834549.  
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Fine. Two can play at that game.

So you are saying that the 95.4% that ARE employed have a remuneration median of $39,509?

I'll quote an even higher figure, median weekly wage earnings for all full time employees (111,725,000) in the US is $834, (men $919, women $751), 3rd qtr 2016.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm
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Message 1834563 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 7:05:52 UTC - in response to Message 1834550.  
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Those totals you give don't match the ones I've read. Please give reliable link.

He can't give a link to a reliable source because they are a post-truth.
http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/

I knew that, it is very easy to trace where he got his incorrect numbers.
He also doesn't realise that the GDP brought in by the counties who voted for Clinton brings in is over 60% of the total. Without them, the rest of the US would be on the streets with their begging bowls.

I see in the news that Trump is already sacking people.
That people are questioning whether the Michigan vote can be trusted, faulty machines, boxes having incorrect seals, questionable tallies of votes vs list etc.
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Message 1834593 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 11:31:31 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  

And Thanks, Cindy Hess-Luth for saving me the bother of trying to hunt down these statistics!

You should have tried harder. Posting utter guff does you no credit.
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Message 1834612 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 13:05:31 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  

I don't want to belabor the point, or maybe I do since the Stein Whine is still ongoing. This little tidbit was passed on to me today. This may help Janneseti and others questioning the reasoning in US elections......

Permit me to dedicate these FACTS to all the whiners out there. Do know that we so appreciate the humor with which you are providing us. And Thanks, Cindy Hess-Luth for saving me the bother of trying to hunt down these statistics!

There are 3,141 counties in the United States.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them.
Clinton won 16.

Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5>2.6 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond). Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than almost accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of our country - and WE THE PEOPLE didn’t let them!

That’s just another of those inconvenient truths so uncomfortable to those who need cheese to accompany their WHINE. And given the expanse of the WHINE, they’re gonna be needin’ a lot of cheese!

FTFY

Not sure why you picked Trump's home town as the place that provided Clinton her popular vote majority, at the moment her lead in CA is > 4.2 million votes.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1834616 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 13:42:34 UTC
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You should have tried harder. Posting utter guff does you no credit.
Doesn't seem to matter to CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times or Harry Reid(who does so from the floor of the Senate).
Interesting all the blank posting panels that show up afterwords probably as devoid of rational content as they were before the filter was applied.

"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1834628 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 14:39:17 UTC - in response to Message 1834616.  

You should have tried harder. Posting utter guff does you no credit.
Doesn't seem to matter to CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times or Harry Reid(who does so from the floor of the Senate).
Interesting all the blank posting panels that show up afterwords probably as devoid of rational content as they were before the filter was applied.

This is government by Trump. So we can expect more http://people.com/crime/man-opens-fire-in-d-c-restaurant-while-self-investigating-fake-news-story-about-hillary-clinton/
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Message 1834629 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 14:52:20 UTC - in response to Message 1834593.  

Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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"half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC"
-Alex Storey

The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.
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Message 1834635 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 15:41:26 UTC - in response to Message 1834544.  
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This little tidbit was passed on to me today. This may help Janneseti and others questioning the reasoning in US elections......
Permit me to dedicate these FACTS to all the whiners out there. Do know that we so appreciate the humor with which you are providing us. And Thanks, Cindy Hess-Luth for saving me the bother of trying to hunt down these statistics!

There are 3,141 counties in the United States.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of our country - and WE THE PEOPLE didn’t let them!

That’s just another of those inconvenient truths so uncomfortable to those who need cheese to accompany their WHINE. And given the expanse of the WHINE, they’re gonna be needin’ a lot of cheese!

I'm aware that the US is a large country.
I'm also aware that the EU is a large "country".
Even the countries within Europe has the same demographic political differences.
For instance. People here living in Stockholm are called 08's (phone area code) by people living in Norrland (northern rural part of Sweden).
Many think they are ruled by us but in fact the majority of government are people from Norrland.

Now we also have the EU.
Ruled by who know...

So there are Cry Babies not only in the US.

Oh. Given the turnout in the election.
Could it be so that the rural parts tends to vote more?
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Message 1834636 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 15:49:11 UTC - in response to Message 1834629.  
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Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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Message 1834667 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 19:08:42 UTC - in response to Message 1834629.  
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Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand!
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"half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC"
-Alex Storey

The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing.

Alex,

Until very recently you have seemed like a reasonable poster. Bobby and WK also are reasonable. I've got a good idea that everyone is talking past each other. I think everything started because people expected some follow on to the number and everyone wanted to know where it originated so they could formulate cogent responses to it. As there has been no follow on everyone seems to be attacking everyone else (thanks Donald, your candidacy was good for something) and everyone is defending nothing.

I'm quite sure if that "IIRC" had been in your first post with a number, the tone of everything that followed would not have been seen by anyone as inflammatory, because it would have gone in a different direction.

In any case I saw a graph in a link somewhere in this pile of [redacted] that showed income growth in blue states where minimum wage hikes have happened vs red states where it hasn't. Seems that the people in red states have rotten paying jobs because they vote red and don't have minimum wage hikes. Guy who likes states rights, really must have a burn going on over that. Rust belt vote red, and keep on rusting. Fits well with the stock market that tends to go down under Republican administrations and up under Democratic.



<ed>found this
http://money.cnn.com/infographic/economy/countries-with-higher-wages-than-united-states/index.html?iid=surge-story-summary

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