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Message 1825525 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 2:37:44 UTC

From a purely psychological tv impression, I think Trump looked and sounded good. Clinton came across as too smug. If I had no background knowledge on either of them, I would say Trump gave me a more Presidential feeling.
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Message 1825529 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 2:55:45 UTC

My own impression is that if Trump had done that well in the first debate the election would be alot closer now.
Hillary held her own but smiled at all the wrong times and seemed so far from sincere that my wife even commented that Clinton seemed nasty.

I'm sure the media and the Clinton supporters will have a field day with certain Trump comments.
I wonder if Trump can stop the bleeding given his inability to sound rational.
Clinton gave nothing but canned answers which could only inspire the glossy-eyed Dems.

I'm very glad that Cris Wallace was able to get a better debate control and hold the (ugh) candidates to actualy giving answers.

Pretty darn sad that a different point of view was not allowed to be on stage. Reps and Dems continue their disgusting monopoly.
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Message 1825535 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 3:24:59 UTC
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I think I agree with you Johnny, Clinton in part for the stock answers, but I think her nastiness is a result of what he has said about her and his proven attitude to women.

But I do think that her explanation of her fiscal policy was explained better that Trump's explanation of his.

I don't think he understands abortion, I'll give you one case where Abortion is banned, Death of Savita Halappanavar, and ask those who want abortion banned completely.
Are you willing to accept responsibility for a death like this?

And his unwillingness to accept the result is a disgrace. But on the night he better do it quick, some political poll punters are saying, if the polls are correct and don't improve for Trump in the next 20 days, it could be quickest known result ever.

The real question post debate probably should be, did he say anything decisive enough, that would get people to change their vote to him, or get the undecided to vote for him?
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Message 1825536 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 3:47:31 UTC - in response to Message 1825535.  

I don't think he understands abortion, I'll give you one case where Abortion is banned, Death of Savita Halappanavar, and ask those who want abortion banned completely.
Are you willing to accept responsibility for a death like this?


I'd like to avoid life before birth discussion in this thread, just because it's such a hot topic it deserves it's own thread.

The real question post debate probably should be, did he say anything decisive enough, that would get people to change their vote to him, or get the undecided to vote for him?


He didn't say anything decisive for me, but in the psychological gestalt of the debate, I liked what I saw and heard from Trump, even though I'll still vote for Clinton.
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Message 1825541 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 4:00:32 UTC - in response to Message 1825535.  
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The real question post debate probably should be, did he say anything decisive enough, that would get people to change their vote to him, or get the undecided to vote for him?


No. I don't think any votes changed.
My feeling is that a few "undecideds" made up their mind to go for Trump because of perceived future fiscal improvements, but probably an equal number decided to vote Clinton because of Trump's incoherence.
There may also be a few voters that will vote for Libertarian Johnson once they get in the voting booth and are confronted with the realization that they really don't like either Hillary or Trump. They will have that third choice right there on the ballot in ALL 50 states.
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The bigger question for the next few weeks will be how far and how fast Republican Senators and Representatives up for election will be able to distance themselves from the statement Trump made about not accepting the voting results. That will be a media bone from here on in.
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Message 1825545 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 4:18:37 UTC - in response to Message 1825535.  

Are you willing to accept responsibility for a death like this?

I believe the people who argue for absolutes, disclaim all responsibility for their decisions and say it is God's will, thus washing their hands. Unfortunately they do so for every one of their absolute beliefs thus they live in an alternate reality where they have no responsibility to their fellow humans.

OB Didn't watch it, because there is no need to watch it. There could be no additional information it would provide. While it might have had entertainment value, because it is of people who would become the President, the extreme sadness of that fact prevents any entertainment value from being realized.
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Message 1825547 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 4:58:08 UTC - in response to Message 1825529.  

My own impression is that if Trump had done that well in the first debate the election would be alot closer now.
Hillary held her own but smiled at all the wrong times and seemed so far from sincere that my wife even commented that Clinton seemed nasty.

I'm sure the media and the Clinton supporters will have a field day with certain Trump comments.
I wonder if Trump can stop the bleeding given his inability to sound rational.
Clinton gave nothing but canned answers which could only inspire the glossy-eyed Dems.

I'm very glad that Cris Wallace was able to get a better debate control and hold the (ugh) candidates to actualy giving answers.

Pretty darn sad that a different point of view was not allowed to be on stage. Reps and Dems continue their disgusting monopoly.

Clinton went after the younger woman's vote, at least that's what she was trying to do with the comments on the 2nd amendment, Roe vs Wade and her summation (that she fights for children and families). This strategy has the potential to extend her base into the suburbs.

Drumpf went after the votes he already has, at least that's why he wouldn't agree to conceding if he lost the election.

To my mind, that makes Clinton the winner, she tried to appeal to a portion of potentially undecided voters.

The next news cycle will probably be about Drumpf's refusal to say he'd accept the outcome of the election, and I expect to see more Republicans distance themselves from Drumpf with comments like:


I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1825554 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 5:20:01 UTC

All snark aside...

I think Cris Wallace won. I thought he did the best job herding these two. At least we got to hear some can answers to good questions.

I'm not sure any undecided voters were swayed.

A full ninety minutes is a stretch. I thought Clinton looked board with the whole thing.

I thought Trump looked a little board too. By not agreeing to concede if he lost the election will keep him at the top of the media cycles.
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Message 1825648 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 16:01:05 UTC - in response to Message 1825554.  

By not agreeing to concede if he lost the election will keep him at the top of the media cycles.

Fantastic for Trump golf. Everyone else should be talking about the Trump coup.

Fact is, his entire run has been about his brand name. He never wanted to win. Just get his name mentioned as free publicity for his businesses. And help his good buddy Hillary.
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Message 1825658 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 16:29:28 UTC - in response to Message 1825648.  

Just get his name mentioned as free publicity for his businesses


That backfired then.
How Trump's Divisive Campaign Is Hurting His Hotel Business
Trump hotel bookings have plummeted nearly 60% for the first half of 2016, according to new data released today by the online travel site Hipmunk. The site measured the percentage of Trump bookings within its markets. For the first quarter, it found reservations tumbled 59.36% compared with the previous quarter, and for the second quarter, the group suffered a 57.46% decline, according to Hipmunk.


Donald Trump’s D.C. Hotel Shows His Brand Is Sinking Along With His Poll Numbers

Here's Why Donald Trump's New DC Hotel May Be a Financial Flop

There's also reports that the diners numbers are swelled by staff, that didn't look like the normal clientele. Apparently confirmed when there was a call for staff and several "diners" immediately stood up and hurried away behind the scenes.
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Message 1825661 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 16:48:06 UTC - in response to Message 1825648.  
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By not agreeing to concede if he lost the election will keep him at the top of the media cycles.

Fantastic for Trump golf. Everyone else should be talking about the Trump coup.

Fact is, his entire run has been about his brand name. He never wanted to win. Just get his name mentioned as free publicity for his businesses. And help his good buddy Hillary.


I can't buy into the idea that he's only running to help the Democrats, or that he doesn't really want to win. The way I see it, everything in life has always been about him winning and being the best (and yes, getting attention). I think he sees the Office of the President of the United States as the highest prize ever, and so all he wants is to win. I think it's only about thrill of the hunt for him, much like he views women. He clearly hasn't planned very far ahead given his complete lack of details on how he plans to accomplish any of his Presidential promises/goals, which makes his claims tantamount to bluster and publicity stunts.

Like any sore loser, I think once winning became a real option for him, losing is also a very real option with big risk, big reward, so he has to prep the scene and claim the outcome is rigged before he's even had a chance to lose, so that his ginormous ego can get by unscathed without feeling the devastating blow of defeat - especially to a woman.
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Message 1825668 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 17:43:43 UTC - in response to Message 1825661.  
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It should have been a case for Trump Presidential ambitions, of being so simple.

After all he's a good businessman, he's increased his fortune by over 20%/year for 50ish years. If you believe his numbers.
That means he must be good managing staff, and immigrants must love him because he employs so many.
He knows the Tax system inside out and knows where it needs reforming.
Negotiating with others including foreigners to open up World businesses. Including Islamic countries.
Therefore, of course, he knows all about Trade Deals and whats good for him and the USA.
Traveling to so many countries he knows a lot of whats going on, which countries are friendly and which aren't.

The incumbent President is not that popular.
The economy and jobs haven't improved fast enough for the population in the last 8 years.
The population wants change to a new better style of government.

The opponent is even less popular.
The opponent lost a ambassador plus other US citizens when Secretary of State.
The opponent is not trusted and has problems with emails and private servers.

And the opponent is a Woman. Who's husband has problems controlling his trouser snake.

What could be easier.
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Message 1825683 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 18:55:53 UTC - in response to Message 1825668.  

It was supposed to be so easy....
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Message 1825712 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 20:48:05 UTC
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Similarly, if the Politicians are supposed to decide how society should be run, then perhaps take the mood of the people and let events happen which makes everything else ending up being put into in a context.
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Message 1825715 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 20:59:18 UTC - in response to Message 1825712.  

Similarly, if the Politicians are supposed to decide how society should be run, then perhaps take the mood of the people and let events happen which makes everything else ending up being put into in a context.

The question is, considering the number of subjects debated and covered by our elected politicians, would the public actually know, rather than believe, about all these subjects.

You might like to look into California's "Ballot Propositions" and work out for yourself whether they are a good or bad idea.
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Message 1825726 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 21:23:38 UTC - in response to Message 1825715.  

You might like to look into California's "Ballot Propositions" and work out for yourself whether they are a good or bad idea.

Don't get me started on how horrible direct democracy is ... . Some filthy trap is written into every single one.
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Message 1825728 - Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 21:46:12 UTC - in response to Message 1825726.  

You might like to look into California's "Ballot Propositions" and work out for yourself whether they are a good or bad idea.

Don't get me started on how horrible direct democracy is ... . Some filthy trap is written into every single one.

I knew that would get the required response. LMAO
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Message 1825769 - Posted: 21 Oct 2016, 1:12:27 UTC

The real winner of last night's debate?
NOT the American people.
Unfortunately the real winner was the Debate Commission and the complicit Media who control what people hear.
It really doesn't have to be like that.
There are other opinions rather than the bought-and-paid-for two party monopoly.
Here is Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson's take on the last Debate.

My Statement: What We Heard Last Night

What did we hear last night?

Obama saved the economy, or Obama killed the economy, but we’ll both keep increasing the debt.

We both say we believe in free trade, but not the policies that will allow it.

We will both reform taxes by continuing the tinkering to pick winners and losers. We might change the winners and losers, but we’ll still pick them.

The option of a tax code that doesn’t manipulate us isn’t on the table.

On entitlements, once again, the politicians are afraid to tell the truth. Let’s just duck it for another couple of weeks and then it won’t be a problem for us.
And on foreign policy, I defy anyone to find a policy on that stage that will make anyone safer, here at home or on the other side of the world.

But even more fundamentally, we had an entire discussion about ‘fitness for office’, and the responses amounted to which candidate is the real criminal.

America deserves better. The two-party duopoly has brought us here. It’s time to try another way.
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Message 1825772 - Posted: 21 Oct 2016, 1:43:13 UTC
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But if only he were a decent alternative.
And 48 states weren't winner-takes-all.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
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Message 1825837 - Posted: 21 Oct 2016, 11:42:58 UTC

In my msg 1825535 I linked to the death of Savita Halappanavar. Now there is another article about the death of a woman, because the doctor would not abort the fetus to save her life. Italy abortion row as woman dies after hospital miscarriage
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