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Message 1824245 - Posted: 14 Oct 2016, 17:51:18 UTC

WIRED interviewed Berkeley SETI Research Center's Steve Croft and Eric Korpela, and the SETI Institute's Seth Shostak, about one method we use to figure out whether claimed ETI signals are legit: https://www.wired.com/2016/10/aliens-trying-contact-use-handy-scale/
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Message 1825034 - Posted: 17 Oct 2016, 22:35:44 UTC

aliens are in constant contact with me, usually in my sleep. They tortured me with their perseverance, they teach how to live properly stopped sleeping at night. to sleep during the day now. )))
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Message 1831451 - Posted: 19 Nov 2016, 18:13:32 UTC - in response to Message 1825034.  

I think its annoying that nobody thinks they exist or that we ever will find them. Yet.. earthlings openly spend upteen gazillion dollars looking for them. Therefore.. they exist?

Logic please?

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Message 1831479 - Posted: 19 Nov 2016, 21:58:25 UTC - in response to Message 1831451.  

Hi Tito,

Hmmm... "...nobody thinks they exist..." I wonder how you came to that conclusion?

The logic as to why scientists continue to search centers on:
- It is generally accepted now that most if not all stars host planetary systems based on a rapidly growing list of exoplanet discoveries using current methods that can only discover a fraction of possible planets (the planetary systems plane must be edge-on to us, generally favors only discovering close in fast orbiting planets of large mass).
- The estimate of the number of stars in our galaxy alone is over 100 billion stars of various types, lifespans and ages.
- The estimate of the number of galaxies in the universe is at least 200 billion galaxies, but recently it was discovered that this may be a gross under-estimate due to blocking gas/dust clouds and the time barrier that prevents us from viewing further than 13.8 billion light years (and viewing anywhere near that far only shows us stars/galaxies very early in development from the deep past)
- Stars out there and their hosted planetary systems vary in age from just being formed to much, much older than the 4.8 billion year age of our star (the Sun)
- Our planet developed life surprisingly quickly after conditions allowed it some 3 and a bit billion years ago, and after nearly all life was wiped out several times by planetary wide disastrous extinction events essentially resetting the development of life on this planet higher forms of life eventually evolved including our ancestors
- Humans as a species have been around for some 2 million years give or take, but we have only been organized into civilizations for a few thousand years, industrial technology for a couple of hundred years and radio communications technology for less than a hundred years (and radio signals capable of being detected outside our solar system far less than that) which is an infinitesimally tiny fraction of time of the history of the universe
- Taking all the above into account, it is not logical to assume that out of all the untold trillions upon trillions of planets in the universe of various ages - many being far older than our solar system - that ours would be the only one to develop intelligent life forming a technological civilization.
- Given the above, even with our limited abilities at this time and not knowing for how long a technological civilization would use radio communication before advancing to some other communication technology, it is logical to search for any evidence of other technological civilizations in the cosmos to further our understanding and expand our knowledge, is it not?

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Message 1834113 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 20:40:01 UTC - in response to Message 1831479.  

Mr. Neil Erikson of Telkwa BC

I want to thank you, and appreciate your outline regarding the logic why scientists seem find it necessary to further scan the skies. I suppose as the number of times that appear at lectures in Berkeley or attend group events at our local planetarium or observatories, there tends to be an attitude that finding intelligent life will come up blank. I am pleased that no matter what, that recent additional search can now be conducted. As you rightfully pointed out, more than 100 billion galaxies found in hidden celestial clouds added to the already known 100 billion galaxies that had been covered up by 13.8 billion years of big bang. A lot of new work is at store.

According to a 1991, Hopkins, Jacobs and sociologist Dr. Ron Westrum commission of a "Roper Poll" where well over 4,000,000 people have reported actual abductions since 1961. As you might recall, it was the case of Betty and Barney Hill in 1961 that sparked this interest. While there might be validity in all of the the 4 million reports, it has been statistically determined that somewhere in the order of 300,000 reports make those abductions even stronger. I want to remind you that while 4,000,000 is a pretty huge number, 300,000 is still a very large number. Writers Travis Walton and Whitley Shrieber would be included in those very large numbers. Whitley Shrieber (age 71) contests that his encounter with aliens in is famous book "Communion" as a non-fiction. Travis Walton, was at the height of his notability with his written account of "Fire in The Sky" still strongly suggests the existence of Aliens and their intentions for humans, and animal mutilations. The worst thing and best thing about these "300,000 abductions" is they take no account of using current technology we take for granted and therefore reducing the chance of faking. For example, in 1991, cellphones looked like bricks and didn't have cameras; your internet was dialup and information would be as good as Cufon, you were probably debating the advantages of Windows NT over going back to DOS and Columbia Space Shuttles were at the very start of habituated space.

Current published accounts and evidences include some interesting unexplained animal mutilations, rehash findings of previous UFO accounts and abductions and a whole mess of CGI (quite good I might add) works that are suppose to convince us of existence. On the other hand there are also leaked reports of secret alien bases near Farmington and Dulce New Mexico and another at some ravine near a craggy series of large caves and rocks midway up Mt Shasta. Area 51, offshore locations south of the Catalina Islands, and places on the Moon can be added to this list. .

My Conclusion:
I am sure that Seti is the sky search program who's granted funds focus' only in logical direction. However, would it make sense to, if not already done, that Seti communication with some of these more earthly claims be better coordinated? Could interviews with hard to debunked witnesses be part of the Seti program. For example: If Mr. Shrieber's suggestions include say star systems in the Pleiades, and nothing is there, while he is still alive, can there be any benefit to conduct and develop any new communication with him? At the same time, understanding that there are several layers of "life" vs "civilization" vs "advanced civilization beyond ours, will current accounts seen here on earth looked at if galaxy systems are found?

One other point you touched on that grabbed my attention. This is the assumption that alien technology gets "better" as time moves forward? I have a lot of reason to believe to that at some point, there is not a lot of room to improve cosmic reactions, whether its space travel or radio communication. In much of the same way one might create a boat or submarine, there will be a lot of difficulty in improving a speedboat from a rowboat. At some point reinvention mutes itself. If we get alien interaction, it seems to me they are not only at the top of their game, but its the top of a cosmic gain. T Its kind of the same way human evolution over the last 3.9-2.7 billion years when I would think in fact when Lucy Australopithecus_afarensis is really much different than current modern homo sapiens. There are some differences but all in all.. they both interacted and reasoned in identical manner.
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Message 1834149 - Posted: 4 Dec 2016, 22:48:26 UTC - in response to Message 1834113.  

I am sure that Seti is the sky search program who's granted funds focus' only in logical direction. However, would it make sense to, if not already done, that Seti communication with some of these more earthly claims be better coordinated? Could interviews with hard to debunked witnesses be part of the Seti program.


Why would anyone want to legitimize the alien abduction conspiracy theories? It isn't up to real scientists to "debunk" witnesses. It is up to those claiming to have experienced something to provide irrefutable evidence.
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Message 1834666 - Posted: 7 Dec 2016, 19:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1834149.  

I fully agree to the sentence of OzzFan : "It isn't up to real scientists to "debunk" witnesses. It is up to those claiming to have experienced something to provide irrefutable evidence."

I beleive that extraterrestrial life exists in our universe (only a question of statistics). But what kind of life ? At least bacteria, the simplests organisms.
If "aliens" are more or less like we hope (little green men, octopusses with a long lifetime, etc.), nothing gives us any evidence today.
This is of course not a reason to stop our quest !

But remember the history of our own Earth : amazing... Once born, 4,5 billions years ago, it was strucked by an other planet (Theia, the size of Mars, at the incredible relative speed of 20,000 km/s), creating a giant moon compared to the size of Earth, with the associated consequences : abnormal tide effects increasing the vulcanos actvity, rising up to the surface heavy elements that should have stayed inside the Earth nucleus, some of them being radioactive then possibly playing a role on the speed of mutations (even is this effect could be weak compared to the "copy and paste" errors in ADN duplication). On top, terrestrial life has been close to disappear many times and restarted.
Is this " Long and Winding Road" appliable elsewhere ? At the statistical point of view I do not know... But if someone knows, I would be pleased.
Just be patient, wait and look the best as we can.
Many thanks to all.

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Message 1834796 - Posted: 8 Dec 2016, 13:00:31 UTC - in response to Message 1834666.  

Maybe we should try more to find them through ayahuasca.
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Message 1834829 - Posted: 8 Dec 2016, 16:11:18 UTC - in response to Message 1834796.  

Hi Burton.
Thanks for your guggestion.
Do you mean Nasca in Peru, south of Lima ?

If yes, I have a few infos on those pictures digged in the ground there for I have been living one year in Lima 40 years ago as a prof at the university.
I met in Huasca a german researcher (unfortunately, I forgot her name) who worked on this topic from a long time and who was convinced they were religious patterns where the people walked in in some occasions.
Actually, due to the climate there because of the Humbolt ocean Stream coming from the South Pole and then quite cold (ocean temp is at the max 13 celcius at Lima), the coast is not even visible from the ocean 11 months a year : a heavy fog lies all along the peruvian coast from Chimbote (north of Lima) down to Chile border at south.
Then, impossible to see the drawings except around Christmas time. From see or from space...
Then it seems hard to consider they could have been built as beacons for ET's.

Of course, rigorous scientific approach forces us to consider the possibility for the so called Humbolt Stream to have changed slightly its position in between.
Unfortunately, no writings are available on this scenario.

If you don't mean Nasca in Peru, sorry for my unusefull aswer !!!

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Message 1834913 - Posted: 9 Dec 2016, 2:48:15 UTC - in response to Message 1834829.  

Bonjour Monsieur Tiers,

Nasca is really fascinating! However, I was talking about psychedelic perception as described in this article

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201210/dmt-aliens-and-reality-part-1
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Message 1835156 - Posted: 10 Dec 2016, 10:21:40 UTC

i've a proof of evidence that they don't want to talk to us, it was in July 2010, take a look at this


and we can see they have 5 fingers in a hand xD[/img]
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Message 1835475 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 1:45:06 UTC - in response to Message 1834829.  
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Hi Tiers Jean-Francois and others;

Certainly Burton was talking about a psychedelic enhancements that offers intense layers of insight. I was hoping that this discussion would not go the direction of heavy drugs nor go in the of heading to a local grocery store, and wastefully buying expensive aluminum foil to wrap around their heads. I do agree however, that for at least the 300,000 "best of encounters", including those written by authors, better investigation should be the norm of the future. These people aren't saying they are running into bacteria, but rather full grown intelligent moving bodies. For example, Towers on the Moon, crashed saucers, findings on Mars, Men in Black, group sightings,all find a place that keeps us magnetically attracted in an area of "perpetual conspiracy." It is very unfortunate that all these 300,000 witnesses fall into an area that are neither science or science fiction. Doesn't it seem that within a scientific community that what has happened to all these people is something they didn't ask for this, but rather a "card" that was dealt to them. Yet, in our society, the science community continues to find their claims easy to brush away.

I find it ironic that we can determine a culprit of a crime, with fingerprints, shell case markings, forensics. DNA analysis or similar sleuth-like detective work where we can incarcerate a person for many years, or even put them to death. Yes, there seems little applied science publicly developed evidence for those that encounter a UFO witness state. Must we in the scientific community to accept a hush-hush attitude? Of all the original 4,000,000 claims filtered to around 300,000 claims that merit more than dismissal, for some reason, not one is coherent material evidence. The statistically probability of that many failed evidences has to be huge. I just don't think that many people simply seeing things or lying. We continue to search.
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Message 1835568 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 14:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 1835475.  

It is very unfortunate that all these 300,000 witnesses fall into an area that are neither science or science fiction. Doesn't it seem that within a scientific community that what has happened to all these people is something they didn't ask for this, but rather a "card" that was dealt to them. Yet, in our society, the science community continues to find their claims easy to brush away.


Science is about doubting claims and going with data.

I just don't think that many people simply seeing things or lying. We continue to search.


If there are other plausible explanations for their experiences (assuming they're not lying), Occam's Razor dictates the simplest explanation must be true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
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Message 1835570 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 14:00:47 UTC - in response to Message 1835475.  

Hi Tito and all other contributors.
I agree with you on the fact that all those testimonies have largely been disregarded by scientists.
That is no more than a question for the researchers to maintain what they think is a high level of seriousness !
Who can imagine one of them putting his career in danger by looking at those things ?
I'm not sure of the word, but I would call this state of spirit as "ostracism".

Even huge scientists have closed their eyes for centuries on evidences for sociological or personal reasons (Einstein, vs quantum mechanics : "God doesn't play with dies", Aristote : "vacuum doesn't exist" (just because the concept of vacuum - and even the number "zero" - was not acceptable by Greek population and mathematicians, Maxwell : "light needs 'ether' to move", at the time he had shown that electricity and magnetism were from the same origin, and many others).
I am not saying that people who claim have experienced interactions with aliens are right, but at least, we should have a look on this.
It would be interesting, if they are wrong, to understand why they reported this...
Were they starlets whishing to be known ? Were they farmers having exagerated on tequila ? And others...

A strange feeling : if my memory is right, main of the reports came from South America. Am I wrong ?
If any data are available, I would be pleased.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers at all.
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Message 1835586 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 16:34:18 UTC - in response to Message 1835570.  

Investigation of any past event, a crime for example, demands supporting physical evidence, circumstantial evidence or motive and witness testimony if the conclusions are to be well-founded. If one wanted to take anecdotal accounts of "alien encounters" seriously, how would one proceed? What is there to work with? If some sort of incident did actually occur, how would rule aliens in or out as a cause?

I'm troubled by the large number of reports by credible people such as working airline pilots. But how does one take an investigation further, absent more evidence? As ever, the claims are extraordinary but any extraordinary evidence always seems lacking.
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Message 1835604 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 17:39:47 UTC - in response to Message 1835586.  

I'm troubled by the large number of reports by credible people such as working airline pilots.


Even the most intelligent of us, or most credible, are not above experiencing things which we cannot explain in the moment. Having an unexplained experience doesn't mean the experience had to be extraordinary. Various tests throughout history have had interesting results when the mind is under great stress. One such example is testing a pilot's ability to withstand G forces during flight. The reported experiences under fully controlled test conditions have been precisely like that of near-death or out-of-body claims. Which brings me back to my previous point: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and Occam's Razor.
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Message 1835610 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 18:20:28 UTC

maybe.who knows.but there is a hope
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Message 1839322 - Posted: 1 Jan 2017, 5:59:54 UTC

Hey all, just have some questions and opinions about things. I apologize but I don't have any background or knowledge in this field. At the very least hopefully myself and others like me can learn some more about the universe!

-Is radio communication really the way to go?
-Do planets give off radio frequency?
-Don't quasars give off radio frequency?
-If objects across the universe give off some type of noise and light can only travel so fast, what would be the best way to communicate that does not involve either?
-How can you really separate from tangible frequency from cosmic noise?
-What languages are being considered? Are these languages only geared towards mammal's, insect or other?
-How far is the approximate "center of the universe"? Is there really a "center"?
-Given our planet's reach out for peace or total seclusion do we really think that we are the only one's trying this? Sort of like a child who thinks "the dog ate it" is a new and exciting way to reason why something wasn't done?

With these asked, I'm all for at least going forward with something! I'm very enthusiastic about it and look forward to the day of quantum computing and would like to see quantum levitation used as a perpetual energy source in space instead of way of mass transportation underground. I guess that is my real question/concern. Does anyone really want to communicate or have they went underground in fear of finding out if there is a more advanced society even though our history has shown that advanced and even primitive societies have worked towards peace?
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