I must have remembered some adapters from somewhere other than that computer.

No connectors running hot.

One 6-pin PCIE connector direct from the PSU. The other using one adapter from two separate Molex connectors.

The valids only take one wingmate to appear. The invalids initially appear as inconclusive, and take a second wingmate to change the marking to invalid perhaps one day later. Several invalids yesterday; none have appeared yet today, probably due to this delay in marking them.

I'm about to install SIV for the computer with the 560.

. . OK I hope it helps solve the problem for you.

Stephen

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SIV only partly installed. It looks like Windows Vista does not recognize its method of driver signatures, and refuses to install its drivers.

It still produces a flood of information, which makes it hard to find the relevant parts.

On my other computer, the 440 is now producing many valids and no inconclusives, but few of what it runs are SoG.

Yeah, have to agree about the "kiss of death" regarding bulging capacitors on motherboards. Unlikely too that he will be able to see small ripple voltages with just a simple DVM unless he's ordered a really expensive one which the bulging capacitor almost certainly is producing. If I remember an earlier post correctly, the motherboard is a 1999 Dell vintage. That puts in right at the beginning of the bad capacitor plague caused by the bad stolen industrial espionage electrolyte recipe.

The computer is an HP 2009 vintage instead. You may be thinking of someone else's computer.

. . The sad thing is modern electrolytics tend to last more than 6 or 7 yeats on average, I think the mean life for such copmponents is around 12 years these days. But there are always some that fall out of the main stream.

Stephen

PS, if it is a small enough value/voltage rating maybe a nice tag tantalum could replace it :) and if it's legs are long enough snip them off and solder the new tag cap to the stubs :)

Stephen

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The legs are not long enough for that.

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. . But I think you may have found your problem with the suspect capacitor. Di you have any luck getting drivers to work with the GT450?

Stephen

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I tried IObit Uninstaller on the computer that keeps thinking the GTS 450 is a 9800 GT. Two problems with it so far:

It makes it too easy to uninstall programs without knowing what they are. I let it uninstall a program because I did not recognize it as anything I wanted - but that program turned out to be the way that computer was connecting to the internet. I'm now looking where I can download it (Bonjour for Windows) - rather hard to find.

Whenever I tell it to uninstall the Nvidia driver, the next Windows restart makes it find an even older version of that driver that it did not see before - and that older version also thinks the GTS 450 is a 9800GT.

I tried IObit Uninstaller on the computer that keeps thinking the GTS 450 is a 9800 GT. Two problems with it so far:

It makes it too easy to uninstall programs without knowing what they are. I let it uninstall a program because I did not recognize it as anything I wanted - but that program turned out to be the way that computer was connecting to the internet. I'm now looking where I can download it (Bonjour for Windows) - rather hard to find.

Whenever I tell it to uninstall the Nvidia driver, the next Windows restart makes it find an even older version of that driver that it did not see before - and that older version also thinks the GTS 450 is a 9800GT.

. . I have a policy that unless I know what a program is, if software says to uninstall it I don't. Then I look up what the program is and if not important/useful the next time I let the "cleanup" software remove it.

. . Wouldn't another internet interface work? Try looking up alternative/replacement programs for bonjour.

. . I suggested you remove ALL existing drivers but I might not have made that clear. That way you get what you are after, a CLEAN install.

Stephen

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Removing "Bonjour for Windows" should not interfere with your internet connection and that program is usually installed with iTunes.

Now to the GTS 450, if that is the OEM version then yes I can see how that would be confused with the 9800GT as it's just an overclocked version of the 9800GT with all other spec's being the same.

If it's not the OEM version then something strange is going on.

Cheers.

Now to the GTS 450, if that is the OEM version then yes I can see how that would be confused with the 9800GT as it's just an overclocked version of the 9800GT with all other spec's being the same.
Cheers.

So if nothing has changed in the last little bit, that means that 341.96 would be the last appropriate driver for that board....
Running that and specifying a "clean install" during it's installation should be all that's needed to resolve this. Just went through this exercise with a 9800 I sold...

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The legs are not long enough for that.

What you do is to cut the electrolytic canister apart down the side and peel the shell away from the guts. That will expose the internal solder legs terminating on the plates. That gives you enough length to solder the new capacitor onto the original caps solder pins. You don't even need to unsolder the original cap from the motherboard. That way you don't risk damaging things further. This is the common method to replace the failed bad recipe capacitors from the motherboard.

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The legs are not long enough for that.

What you do is to cut the electrolytic canister apart down the side and peel the shell away from the guts. That will expose the internal solder legs terminating on the plates. That gives you enough length to solder the new capacitor onto the original caps solder pins. You don't even need to unsolder the original cap from the motherboard. That way you don't risk damaging things further. This is the common method to replace the failed bad recipe capacitors from the motherboard.

. . And if available it would be cautious to use a new one with slightly higher voltage rating than the old one. Just to be sure to be sure.

Stephen

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leaving this current thread for a sec ...

I've been running SoC nvidia Lunatics v0.45 for a while and have had good luck.I was looking at some results and saw this line:

OpenCL Platform Name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing

I had a amd card back 5 years ago and so decided to remove the amd software ... oops ... started getting errors ... no opencl software !

I reinstalled the current nvidia video driver and all seems well .

1) so I was running my Nvidia 770 opencl with 4 year old AMD implementation??!!
2) should I expect any differances now that I'm running current Nvidia??

(strange world when computer open software has interoperability!)


First soft observation is on 3 Guppies that "look alike" the old AMD driver run at 16:54 and new nvidia driver ran at 20:18 ..as I said ... soft observations)

. . Hi Ed,

. . That is the beauty/purpose of higher level instruction sets, they are what can be called a hardware abstraction layer which allows the execution of software that is written more independently of the hardware platform it will be running on. And from what you have said, AMD have done a better job than Nvidia. :)

. . It is strange that the AMD OpenCL engine could work so well with the Nvidia hardware interface. Probably it was that the app was using the AMD OpenCL instruction set because the old AMD drivers were there, but it was the Nvidia OpenCL engine that was executing them. Might be something to be learned from that.

Stephen

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. . It is strange that the AMD OpenCL engine could work so well with the Nvidia hardware interface. Probably it was that the app was using the AMD OpenCL instruction set because the old AMD drivers were there, but it was the Nvidia OpenCL engine that was executing them. Might be something to be learned from that.

Does raise some interesting thoughts, does it not?

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Removing "Bonjour for Windows" should not interfere with your internet connection and that program is usually installed with iTunes.

Now to the GTS 450, if that is the OEM version then yes I can see how that would be confused with the 9800GT as it's just an overclocked version of the 9800GT with all other spec's being the same.

If it's not the OEM version then something strange is going on.

Cheers.

I used the uninstall program (name not currently visible) to remove the Nvidia driver. I restarted Windows (twice - some of the changes didn't complete fully the first time) and found that it was now using an older version of the same driver. Repeated this around 30 times, until the uninstall program could no longer find a driver to remove, but the other software said some driver was still in use and finding a 9800 gt. Perhaps 10 GB of hard drive space recovered by all this, though.

I decided the check if the graphics board was marked as a GTS 450. Surprise - it's only marked with an HP part number. I now suspect that it is actually a 9800 GT, even though it was in the box for the GTS 450 I replaced the 9800 GT with.

Two more motherboard electrolytic capacitors with rounded ends spotted. Unclear if they were there before but not spotted. I no longer have enough use of one hand to think it's worthwhile to get new soldering tools and try to replace them, even with the suggestions above.

I then replaced it with a GTX 750 Ti. Most of the software agreed that it actually was a GTX 750 Ti. MSI Afterburner wouldn't even start with it, though.

I'm now upgrading the driver to 362.00 (the latest driver known to both install under Vista and work properly for OpenCL) to see if that fixes more of the problems.

I'll also install iTunes, to see if that restores Bonjour for Windows.

A package that may contain the voltmeter has arrived, so I'll prepare to check voltages.

Does raise some interesting thoughts, does it not?

Perhaps about my sanity ...

I restored the old drivers Just 'cause

Ed F

Does raise some interesting thoughts, does it not?

Perhaps about my sanity ...

I restored the old drivers Just 'cause

Ed F

What I find interesting is that both with your original setup, and now with your restored drivers, the Stderr is showing both AMD and NVIDIA OpenCL being detected, with AMD first, followed by NVIDIA:

Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
OpenCL platform detected: NVIDIA Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0

For those hours in between, it was only showing NVIDIA:

Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: NVIDIA Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0

So, while the AMD OpenCL was recognized, I'm not sure it was actually being used, as long as the NVIDIA was found afterwards.

EDIT: Also, if you look further down in the Stderr currently, you'll see:

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2

whereas it only showed 1 platform when you just had the NVIDIA driver installed.

EDIT2: And continuing on down, it shows:

 OpenCL Platform Name:					 ATI Stream
Number of devices:				 0


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1

It knows there's just 1 device, and it's NVIDIA. I think Raistmer's got it covered. :^)

For the computer that had the 560:

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I'm now upgrading the driver to 362.00 (the latest driver known to both install under Vista and work properly for OpenCL) to see if that fixes more of the problems.

I'll also install iTunes, to see if that restores Bonjour for Windows.

A package that may contain the voltmeter has arrived, so I'll prepare to check voltages.

362.00 failed to install, and did not show why.

iTunes failed to install, and said Windows Installer Service could not be accessed.

I started Services, scrolled down, and found two entries for Windows Installer Service.

One was 32-bit, and was already started even though it was under 64-bit Windows Vista.

The other was 64-bit and labelled as to be started manually. All attempts to start it failed with an error message saying that it could not start in Safe Mode - even though I didn't tell Windows to start in Safe Mode.

The package contained the voltmeter, so I'll check voltages the next time I have the case open.

I found two diagnostic programs for checking the hardware. One passed, but did not check the Ethernet interface needed for an internet connection. The other said it it could not run the section for checking the Ethernet interface but did not explain why.

A Google search for the HP part number indicates that the board the drivers called a 9800 GT is actually a 9800 GT.

On a related subject, do any of you know whether it is safe to use a USB cable with type A connectors to connect two computers in hopes that will give an internet connection that does not use Ethernet?

Does raise some interesting thoughts, does it not?

Perhaps about my sanity ...

I restored the old drivers Just 'cause

Ed F

Do you have any left over Steam directories, games, installations that were installed from when you were running that AMD/ATi card?

If you do then that's likely why, but I wouldn't worry about it too much as you get "OpenCL Platform Name: ATI Stream: Number of devices: 0" as SETI knows that there arn't any. ;-)

Cheers.

Does raise some interesting thoughts, does it not?

Perhaps about my sanity ...

I restored the old drivers Just 'cause

Ed F

What I find interesting is that both with your original setup, and now with your restored drivers, the Stderr is showing both AMD and NVIDIA OpenCL being detected, with AMD first, followed by NVIDIA:


EDIT2: And continuing on down, it shows:

 OpenCL Platform Name:					 ATI Stream
Number of devices:				 0


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1

It knows there's just 1 device, and it's NVIDIA. I think Raistmer's got it covered. :^)

. . But that does not explain why it stopped working when he first uninstalled the AMD drivers. That would tend to suggest it had been using them. Computers can be such "interesting" things. :)

Stephen

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. . But that does not explain why it stopped working when he first uninstalled the AMD drivers. That would tend to suggest it had been using them. Computers can be such "interesting" things. :)

Stephen

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It could be that the uninstall of the AMD driver took out a .dll that was common to both platforms. I'm thinking that might happen if the AMD driver was installed first and the NVIDIA driver added later. If there's an uninstall log, that might provide a clue, but probably not worth trying to track it down.

For the computer that had the 560:

The last few restarts did not ask me if I wanted Safe Mode, so I suspect it was going into that mode without asking, and therefore blocking iTunes plus Bonjour from installing.

A mistake in BIOS settings kept me from even booting the computer for several hours. Now probably fixed.

I found the GTS 450 and my analog modems - I may try them later.

. . But that does not explain why it stopped working when he first uninstalled the AMD drivers. That would tend to suggest it had been using them. Computers can be such "interesting" things. :)

Stephen

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It could be that the uninstall of the AMD driver took out a .dll that was common to both platforms. I'm thinking that might happen if the AMD driver was installed first and the NVIDIA driver added later. If there's an uninstall log, that might provide a clue, but probably not worth trying to track it down.

. . True, once the problem is solved move on :)

Stephen

For the computer that had the 560:

The last few restarts did not ask me if I wanted Safe Mode, so I suspect it was going into that mode without asking, and therefore blocking iTunes plus Bonjour from installing.

A mistake in BIOS settings kept me from even booting the computer for several hours. Now probably fixed.

I found the GTS 450 and my analog modems - I may try them later.

. . Hopefully the GTS450 will give much better results.

Stephen