I run my GPU on POEM, Einstein, and SETI. It's crunching SETI 90% of the time, yet my SETI credit is WAY lower than the other two projects. What's going on?

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It is called creditnew.

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It is called creditnew.

And also each project can set however much credit they want to for work. Some projects give large amounts of credit to attract more participants.

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If a project gives more credit, doesn't that mean it'll get less work assigned to it by the users, as they think they've done more?

And isn't creditnew supposed to make everything equal? Or are some projects not using it yet?

If a project gives more credit, doesn't that mean it'll get less work assigned to it by the users, as they think they've done more?

That was the original idea, but it was never implemented. Read Proposal: credit-driven scheduling for the reasons why, and what was done instead.

And isn't creditnew supposed to make everything equal? Or are some projects not using it yet?

To answer that would require a whole reference library, and you probably don't want to go there. But in short: "credit not very new at all" was 'designed' (some would quibble with my use of that word) and implemented in early 2010, in the very early days of GPU computing. It is essentially a CPU credit system, with a few bolt-ons for the few (then) projects that did a bit of GPU work on the side.

It's almost impossible to run CreditNew for an exclusively GPU-based project. Mixed projects have mostly avoided it, too, but I suspect it's used by more CPU-only projects than its detractors would have you believe.

Different projects have reacted to the situation in different ways. Einstein awards fixed credit per task, and makes an honest attempt to match the original definition of the 'cobblestone'. Others have succumbed to the siren voices on the message boards, who are quick to post about any perceived downward bias in credit, but remain silent about upward bias. That exerts psychological pressure on project scientists, 99% of whom aren't interested in credit and would much prefer that the whole issue went away.

SETI is in a special position, because it co-habits in the same laboratory with the developers of BOINC, and shares some personnel. As such, it is the test-bed for new developments in BOINC. CreditNew has been under test here for six years now, but they obviously feel that if they test it for just a little bit longer, it'll come right in the end.

it'll come right in the end.

= "When the credit for every task is the same, zero"

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

it'll come right in the end.

= "When the credit for every task is the same, zero"

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That was happening when you where on holiday Rob 0.25 /0.36 credits per wu , but then again they didn't take long to complete ;-)

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Well all you guys need to do is to talk to leaders in other projects, and decide that x points = y flops. For goodness sake it's not that hard....

This is the official definition of credit value: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit

As far as I can see from a rough calculation from my own recent credit, SETI is not adhering to this, whereas Einstein is. Where do I post to request that SETI gets its act together?

I run several projects and it's damn annoying not being able to compare how much work I'm doing for each.

This is the official definition of credit value: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit

As far as I can see from a rough calculation from my own recent credit, SETI is not adhering to this, whereas Einstein is. Where do I post to request that SETI gets its act together?

I run several projects and it's damn annoying not being able to compare how much work I'm doing for each.

LOL.....good luck with that.
This debate has been raging since CreditNew was unleashed. And that wicked genie ain't goin' back in the bottle.

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I don't see why it should be a debate. The whole thing runs on BOINC, so what they say should be final.

For now I've adjusted the weight of SETI so I get a tenth of the points that I do for Einstein, as they seem to be giving me about that. Same goes for the two projects that haven't produced GPU work for me.

This is the official definition of credit value: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit

As far as I can see from a rough calculation from my own recent credit, SETI is not adhering to this, whereas Einstein is. Where do I post to request that SETI gets its act together?

I run several projects and it's damn annoying not being able to compare how much work I'm doing for each.

You could try the boinc_admin email address. Attn David Anderson.
He developed BOINC, and he developed Credit New.

BOINC email lists

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Grant
Darwin NT

So does the link I mentioned refer to creditnew?

So does the link I mentioned refer to creditnew?

Don't think so. A couple more links on Credit, the bottom one specifically about Credit Screw. Sorry, Credit New.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOINC_Credit_System

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNew

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Grant
Darwin NT

Would be fine if everyone used the same system.....

Would be fine if everyone used the same system.....

Yep.

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Grant
Darwin NT