http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/uc-berkeley-ban-palestine-mccarthyist-160918061835253.html

UC Berkeley's ban on Palestine course 'McCarthyist'
Students enrolled in the course demand that university administrators lift the suspension, calling it discriminatory.

Tensions between University of California Berkeley students and administrators came to a head this week over the suspension of a student-taught course "Palestine: A Settler Colonial Analysis", sparking concerns that the university is violating academic freedoms.

Students and academics charged university administrators with buckling under external political pressures from Israel advocacy groups when they suspended the course on Tuesday, allegations the administration denied.

Paul Hadweh, a senior undergraduate, had already started teaching the course through the university's DeCal programme, which allows students to teach courses on material of their choice under faculty supervision.

Hadweh released a public statement saying that he "learned the course was under scrutiny from a report in the Israeli media that describes the involvement of an Israeli government minister in efforts to cancel the course".

"Two hours later, I received an email from the university notifying us of the suspension," Hadweh said.

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IIRC the free speech movement started there.

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Paul Hadweh, a senior undergraduate, had already started teaching the course through the university's DeCal programme, which allows students to teach courses on material of their choice under faculty supervision.

They offer courses taught by non-certified student instructors at taxpayer expense?

WOW! That doesn't sound right?

New information for me and am dumb founded. Feel like I am living under a rock on this one. LOL!

We wonder why university costs have spiraled out of reach.

That's like "Basket Weaving 101" on steroids. Har!

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Paul Hadweh, a senior undergraduate, had already started teaching the course through the university's DeCal programme, which allows students to teach courses on material of their choice under faculty supervision.

They offer courses taught by non-certified student instructors at taxpayer expense?

WOW! That doesn't sound right?

New information for me and am dumb founded. Feel like I am living under a rock on this one. LOL!

We wonder why university costs have spiraled out of reach.

That's like "Basket Weaving 101" on steroids. Har!

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"... under faculty supervision."

Like starting a graduate teaching assistantship before grad school?

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New information for me and am dumb founded. Feel like I am living under a rock on this one. LOL!

Like everywhere else, graduate students teach, professors research and their names look good on solicitations.

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New information for me and am dumb founded. Feel like I am living under a rock on this one. LOL!

Like everywhere else, graduate students teach, professors research and their names look good on solicitations.

In the case of me, I taught at a community college while I got my Master's. And I was already provisionally certified, after Bachelor's, to teach secondary. Everything I taught a c.c. was something that could have been taken in high school. Continued teaching a while at the c.c. and a private school for e.d. teens before returning to grad school.

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Just to help me out here. If as a student I take this course,
would I get any credits for it, and apart from the loss of
time for me to sit-in, would I also have to pay for it?
If I know this, then I can then discuss the merits of the
issue. In parting I think any knowledge is good for a
student to have.

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In parting I think any knowledge is good for a
student to have.

Absolutely. How can anyone question that?

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If as a student I take this course,
would I get any credits for it, and apart from the loss of
time for me to sit-in, would I also have to pay for it?

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If as a student I take this course,
would I get any credits for it, and apart from the loss of
time for me to sit-in, would I also have to pay for it?

You would have to check the syllabus on payment, below says a one unit credit class, but I assume there is a fee per credit.

Also it seems they have reversed and the class is back
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uc-berkeley-palestine-20160919-snap-story.html

UC Berkeley senior Paul Hadweh designed a course on the history of Palestine in order to spark discussion about his family’s homeland under Israeli occupation.

“I wanted to create a space where we can read, think and speak critically about the question of Palestine,” Hadweh said.

But the one-credit, student-led offering — which aimed to analyze Palestine through “the lens of settler colonialism” — was suspended last week after just one class following a storm of criticism that it fostered anti-Semitism and indoctrinated students against the Jewish state.

According to an Israeli TV station, the Assn. of University Heads in Israel had "covertly" tried to stop the course. Administrators said the reason for pulling the plug was procedural — that proper approval had not been obtained.

Then campus officials reversed gears Monday, reinstating the course after students, faculty, free-speech advocates and Palestinian rights groups issued letters and circulated petitions denouncing the suspension as a violation of academic freedom.

Among them, the 26 enrolled students — from diverse racial, ethnic and religious backgrounds — called it “an act of discrimination against students who wanted to debate and discuss this contentious issue in a spirit of genuine sincerity, mutual respect and open-minded curiosity.”

The university’s ethnic studies department has revised the original course description and syllabus, according to a letter issued Monday by Carla Hesse, executive dean of the College of Letters and Sciences and dean of the social sciences division.

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In parting I think any knowledge is good for a
student to have.

Absolutely. How can anyone question that?

Agree.

Would hope that the Secular Left/Liberal Universities believed that.

They don't.

I wonder if the religious right/conservative ideology believes as you and would be ok with classes on Satanism and demonology?

In parting I think any knowledge is good for a
student to have.

Absolutely. How can anyone question that?

Agree.

Would hope that the Secular Left/Liberal Universities believed that.

They don't.

I wonder if the religious right/conservative ideology believes as you and would be ok with classes on Satanism and demonology?

Oh give it full on, classes on birth control and abortion as pregnancy control.

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What was the content of the class lectures. Is it possible that the student lecturer was recruiting potential terrorists? There may be a lot more to the story.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

What was the content of the class lectures. Is it possible that the student lecturer was recruiting potential terrorists? There may be a lot more to the story.

If so that would be a violation of UC policy. Since the Dean just gave the green light to resume classes I seriously doubt that.

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Clyde your paranoid thoughts concerning Berkley might lead you to suspect S@H to be part of that evil cabal. Can you prove the project leaders aren't involved in terrorism?

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We could have the percents discussion over here as well.
How many are sympathetic to terrorism in academe or how many Muslims are there in academe?
How many are professors?
How many are admin?
In this case, besides the Dean, there was a faculty advisor to the senior teaching the course.
There's a layer at least 2 deep. Now we need 2 lazy academics or 2 corrupt academics or 1 of each, then we have a problem.
(A decimal between 0 and 1 times are decimal between 0 and 1 yields a decimal, still between 0 and 1, smaller still. Assuming independence of events.)

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What was the content of the class lectures. Is it possible that the student lecturer was recruiting potential terrorists? There may be a lot more to the story.

If so that would be a violation of UC policy. Since the Dean just gave the green light to resume classes I seriously doubt that.

Gary...

Your apparent belief in the Ethics of those in Leadership Positions.

Is not warranted.

Why don't you read all the linked material first. It covers it rather well. Such as the letter from the Dean.

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We could have the percents discussion over here as well.
How many are sympathetic to terrorism in academe or how many Muslims are there in academe?
How many are professors?
How many are admin?
In this case, besides the Dean, there was a faculty advisor to the senior teaching the course.
There's a layer at least 2 deep. Now we need 2 lazy academics or 2 corrupt academics or 1 of each, then we have a problem.
(A decimal between 0 and 1 times are decimal between 0 and 1 yields a decimal, still between 0 and 1, smaller still. Assuming independence of events.)

In fact, there was 3rd layer from outside the school. As Gary quoted, "Students and academics charged university administrators with buckling under external political pressures from Israel advocacy groups ...". )Emphasis added.)

It looks like what we have here is an over-sensitive left at first buckling to an over-sensitive right (Netanyahu's side of Israel) but, on a 2nd left, now that 3 layers have looked at it, reinstated.

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The Secular Left/Right Ideologue's and Religious Right, are Destructive to Humanity. They believe they are some sort of Master Race/People. Who must control the Inferior People, with Their Truth [sic].

Off topic, but I find it curious why you use [sic] in your own statements. [sic] is used specifically when people, typically journalists, are providing a direct quote and the structure of the sentence (if verbal) or spelling (if quoting text) are incorrect and should not be corrected by an editor.

Back on topic, as someone who values free speech as one of our most prized rights, and as someone who believes that the best answer to bad speech is more speech to combat ideas that should die in the free marketplace of ideas, I believe that all speech should be open to criticism to combat potentially bad ideas, and people who buy into an ideology should have to provide persuasive arguments as to why their ideas shouldn't die. (Incidentally, this is why I respect bobby so much, because he uses rational logic backed by direct observational evidence to support his positions.)

All that being said, I do not think young, impressionable minds should have to figure out what is good speech and bad speech in an educational setting. There is a time and place for everything, and I do not think any educational facility should be teaching, for example, the pros of Nazism from an incredibly biased view or some nutjob that buys into the ideology and wants to spread it to the youth.

Does that mean I believe the youth are inferior, as you suggest? Maybe according to you, but you couldn't be more wrong. Just as you seem to take a very black and white approach to giving warnings to victims of child abuse (as per our last discussion), I think you're taking far too black and white approach to this issue. And I note that for someone who claims to be completely centrist and fights off ideologies from both the left and the right, most of your positions, such as this one, typically toe the line of right-leaning political ideologies, and any attempt to have a discussion, and perhaps offer persuasive arguments in an attempt to change your mind, always seem to be met with you re-affirming and/or re-stating your position and rejecting any attempt at persuasive discussion. Why is that?