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Message 1817425 - Posted: 15 Sep 2016, 23:46:13 UTC
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This thread is intended to be a repository for discussion on the nVidia & AMD competition.  It'll be more generalized than GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1060 July 19th, in the sense that it won't be limited to a specific card.  And with that, let the games begin...

Alleged Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti specifications leak online

For historical perspective:
Six Generations of $200 Radeon GPUs Compared

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NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 10-Series for Notebooks
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Message 1817429 - Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 0:02:13 UTC - in response to Message 1817425.  

Saw that last night. Probably around Jan 2017.

It's curious that they would opt for lower stock speed and boost speed compared to a standard 1080.

I have to wonder about them saying they will use stand DDR5 rather than DDR5X. I've seen another article that say they will use the DDR5X.

It wouldn't make sense to make an 1080Ti that's slower in both terms of RAM and Stock Clock speeds compared to the base model.

I think we will have to wait for the actual reviews of it.

I would think they would be need to be higher speeds and built on a better platform like the FTW with 2 8 pins power supply.

Either way, I want the hybrid version, lol...
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Message 1817432 - Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 0:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 1817429.  

The GTX 1060 (6GB) nearly matches the performance of the GTX 980, and with a 27% reduction in power consumption (120W v 165W).  I'm curious if there will be a 1060 Ti, or 1050 Ti.
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Message 1817436 - Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 0:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1817432.  

Jayztwocents, thinks the GTX 1060 3 GB should have been branded as the 1050. Interesting...

Guess we will have to wait and see
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Message 1818776 - Posted: 22 Sep 2016, 0:45:46 UTC
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AMD Vega 10 scores 24 TFlops
    >  "According to the raw numbers, AMD Vega 10 with 24Tflops, Vega 10 will significantly outperform Geforce Titan X."
    >  " you can expect as much as 24 TFlops of half precision performance and 12 TFlops of single precision performance.
          Both . . . are higher than Nvidia scores with Pascal P100."
    >  "The Vega 10 comes with 16GB HBM 2 memory."


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Exclusive: First details about AMD VEGA10 and VEGA20

    "Vega20 will use 7nm GFX9 architecture. It will feature 32GB of HBM2 memory with 1 TB/s of bandwidth. TBP is around 150W and it will support PCI-Express 4.0. It will also have 64 Compute Units."


NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 with Pascal GP107 GPU (rumoured)

    >  "The leak also revealed that GTX 1050 will get up to 4GB of GDDR5 memory and interface 128-bit wide."
    >  "Apart from the clocks and memory size, we have almost identical specs to GTX 950"
    >  "According to the information provided by the leaker, GeForce GTX 1050 should be expected mid-October."

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Message 1818777 - Posted: 22 Sep 2016, 0:55:31 UTC - in response to Message 1817436.  

Jayztwocents, thinks the GTX 1060 3 GB should have been branded as the 1050. Interesting...

Guess we will have to wait and see

I would go the other way with the 6GB version being called the Ti version. ;-)

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Message 1820009 - Posted: 26 Sep 2016, 23:10:39 UTC
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Looks like its beyond the rumour stage.

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Message 1825060 - Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 0:00:38 UTC
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AMD rumoured to be revising Polaris
    »  "50 percent improvement per watt"
    »  "They should be out under RX 4XX branding in a few months . . ."

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti to cost 139 USD, GTX 1050: 109 USD

    »  "The GeForce GTX 1050 Ti based on full-fat GP107 GPU will feature 768 CUDA cores, 4GB GDDR5 memory and 75W TDP."
    »  "The GTX 1050 non-Ti will feature 640 CUDA cores and 2GB GDDR5 memory, while TDP will be the same as Ti’s model — 75W."

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Message 1825065 - Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 0:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 1825060.  

AMD rumoured to be revising Polaris
    »  "50 percent improvement per watt"
    »  "They should be out under RX 4XX branding in a few months . . ."


I was just thinking of replacing the old HD6870 in my HTPC with a RX 460, but maybe I'll hold off for a bit now.
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Message 1829979 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 1:32:29 UTC

NVIDIA's Killer GeForce GTX 1080 Ti To Make A CES Debut?
    ♦  "This big brother to the GTX 1080 is rumored to not only take the place of the ferocious Titan X, but also
          undercut it in price as well."

    ♦  "It’s said that the GTX 1080 Ti will largely mirror the specs of the Titan X...however, differences will be seen
          in the number of CUDA cores and clock speeds.

    ♦  "...it stands to reason that NVIDIA latest and greatest GTX 1080 Ti will be going toe-to-toe with AMD’s
          upcoming Vega 10 cards.  In its most potent form, Vega 10 will come in a dual GPU variant with
          18 TFLOPs of compute performance."

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Message 1829990 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 2:02:29 UTC - in response to Message 1829979.  

♦  "It’s said that the GTX 1080 Ti will largely mirror the specs of the Titan X...however, differences will be seen
      in the number of CUDA cores and clock speeds.

Be interesting to see what does eventuate.
I'd have though it'd be pretty much the Titan X, just with lower clock speeds & less RAM.
Either way, it's going to have an excessive price tag.
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Message 1831862 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 6:05:36 UTC
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Can confirm as of a short time ago, the 1050ti is 'really nice' for the older system upgrade, or budget cruncher. At least the Gigabyte G1 gaming version I received this morning. Looks like I'll be running a bit cooler (and quieter) for the coming aussie summer.
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Message 1831876 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 9:26:46 UTC

I just ordered a 1050 TI to put it in the place of a GTX 750 OC, which is performing well. I plan to insert it in a 64-Bit Linux workstation, a 2008 vintage SUN which now has a HD 7770, also performing well in both SETI and Einstein.
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Message 1831877 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 9:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 1831876.  
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looking at what I'm seeing so far, something about half a GTX 980 in throughput for about a quarter the power. The fans are alternating between 0rpm (off) and ~1000rpm and remarkably quiet. Driving 2 1080p displays while crunching and watching twitch streams no problems (win7, old core2duo host).
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Message 1831881 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 11:03:47 UTC - in response to Message 1831877.  

looking at what I'm seeing so far, something about half a GTX 980 in throughput for about a quarter the power. The fans are alternating between 0rpm (off) and ~1000rpm and remarkably quiet. Driving 2 1080p displays while crunching and watching twitch streams no problems (win7, old core2duo host).

I recently got a Skylake-based host to help Raistmer test out the iGPU problems, and once we'd sorted that out, I dropped in a 1050Ti - 'Asus Expedition', designed for non-stop use (dual ball-bearing fans). It's running GPUGrid cuda 8.0 jobs at the moment, until there are SETI apps which can make use of 4 GB of VRAM - but the CPU is knocking through BLC VLARs in well under an hour. Host 8121358

The whole system is typically drawing around 120W from the wall at full load - sometimes up to 130W if GPUGrid sends out a particularly intensive task. And the whole rig is almost completely silent - I have to put it in a room with no other noise source and shut the door to be able to tell it's running by sound alone.
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Message 1831884 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 11:09:43 UTC - in response to Message 1831881.  

looking at what I'm seeing so far, something about half a GTX 980 in throughput for about a quarter the power. The fans are alternating between 0rpm (off) and ~1000rpm and remarkably quiet. Driving 2 1080p displays while crunching and watching twitch streams no problems (win7, old core2duo host).

I recently got a Skylake-based host to help Raistmer test out the iGPU problems, and once we'd sorted that out, I dropped in a 1050Ti - 'Asus Expedition', designed for non-stop use (dual ball-bearing fans). It's running GPUGrid cuda 8.0 jobs at the moment, until there are SETI apps which can make use of 4 GB of VRAM - but the CPU is knocking through BLC VLARs in well under an hour. Host 8121358

The whole system is typically drawing around 120W from the wall at full load - sometimes up to 130W if GPUGrid sends out a particularly intensive task. And the whole rig is almost completely silent - I have to put it in a room with no other noise source and shut the door to be able to tell it's running by sound alone.


Well I'm certainly marvelling at how quickly things have changed. It's going to be interesting trying to palm off some of my old hardware to make room for the niceness. lol.
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Message 1831891 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 12:39:27 UTC

Nice, new toy, now you could build a new 10x0 target app. LOL
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Message 1831892 - Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 12:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1831891.  

Nice, new toy, now you could build a new 10x0 target app. LOL


Built a new 10x0 target app months ago. Possibly just turns out my crap hardware is too hammered. Will see what the inconclusives do with the new board.
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Message 1831965 - Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 2:02:42 UTC

MSI is first with low-profile GTX 1050 Ti

Now, that’s a  small  card.
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