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Message 1819277 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 1:44:35 UTC

During the Olympic games when the Fijian athletes got down on there knees and clapped there hands 3 times during the medal ceremony , where they protesting ??

It's a sign of respect to kneel when they where given there medals by princess Ann. You Americans would never understand . So when your sportsman kneel when the anthem is played it's actually a sign of respect . You would learn a lot about respect from places like Fiji or Tonga or Samoa

You don't know what respect is seeing as you kicked the king out 300 years ago . And still act like the little children that chucked a tantrum and went to war . 300 years later you are still not learning much
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Message 1819278 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 1:45:26 UTC - in response to Message 1819274.  

betreger, I did not ASK anything in this post.
I said, and have continued to say, that there is no inherent connection between sporting events and observances of things related to the nation,
The singing of the national anthem appears to gave started (or at least became institutionalized) during dark times of war, when they had the opportunity to rouse patriotism at a time when a great multitude was present.

I agree there is no connection, my point is he used that platform to start a potentially useful dialog. If you don't get that your not as smart as I thought you were.
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Message 1819280 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 1:54:59 UTC - in response to Message 1819198.  

Gary sarge what no comment about my Hunger Games post .

Your willing to use 1984 but reject the Hunger Games !! why is that I wonder


Glenn, what?!? People in Australia don't sleep? People in Australia don't have jobs? Of course, that's as ridiculous as your responses to me, because you aren't even addressing what I'm saying. Not by a long shot. As for "The Hnuger Games", I've read the 3 books many times and watched the movies many times. (The first movie was good, the remainder left too much out. They cut out many of the other redeemable characters from The Capitol.) Your comment about Katinss raising her arm has absolutely nothing to do with what I've said.
[b]I've said elsewhere that people are also taking offense to some of these athletes "taking a knee" during the anthem. Kneeling is recognized by many as a submission or deference, so how in the world anyone is taking offense to that is beyond me.[/i[


Gee, Glenn! You're right, we don't understand kneeling and none of us has talked about that.
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Message 1819281 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 1:58:56 UTC - in response to Message 1819278.  

betreger, I did not ASK anything in this post.
I said, and have continued to say, that there is no inherent connection between sporting events and observances of things related to the nation,
The singing of the national anthem appears to gave started (or at least became institutionalized) during dark times of war, when they had the opportunity to rouse patriotism at a time when a great multitude was present.

I agree there is no connection, my point is he used that platform to start a potentially useful dialog. If you don't get that your not as smart as I thought you were.


You grabbed that pic from 1 of 2 posters in this thread arguing against Kaspernick's protest. Respectfully, as far as I can tell, your argument is with Sirius B and qbit.
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Message 1819285 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 2:08:50 UTC

I've locked the thread for a cool down.
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Message 1819291 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 2:38:52 UTC

Reopening the thread, but please everybody calm down, and refrain from attacking each other. Insulting people does not help make or prove a point. It just means you're angry, and that's ok, too, but direct it toward the topic of the thread.
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Message 1819358 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 15:38:49 UTC - in response to Message 1819274.  

You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ?

The connection is the National Anthem itself. If you cannot see how so...
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Message 1819375 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 16:23:15 UTC - in response to Message 1819193.  

sarge that is one hell of a leap .
To associate 1984 with 1 sportsman holding his fist up in protest

It's also a good example of why we in the Colony's laugh at you lot

You all ways go to the extreme left when it comes to Freedom but the extreme right is ok hence 60,000 direct deaths from guns . To blind to see the problem .

Because to do away with guns is to infringe on your rights .what about the right not to get shot ?


It is no leap.
What is in the mind of a person when they pledge the flag?
What is in the mind of a person when they rise and sing the national anthem?
Are they thinking of their country? Any of the good? Any of the bad?
What is in the mind of a person when, at church, reciting liturgy or singing hymns? Are they thinking of God?
Or are they performing things by rote? Trying to make sure they look good and proper in front of their peers?
Has anybody read the article from ESPN of why we have the national anthem at sporting events? I browsed parts of it. I'll bet some of the reasons no longer apply or or were bad reasons in the first place.
Again: what place does singing the national anthem have at sporting events??? And if it has a place, then why isn't it required at every entertainment event? Or reciting the pledge to the flag? Or either of these whenever 2 US citizens have gathered???

Do you mean this?

Ruth's last postseason appearances for the Boston Red Sox coincided with the song's first unbreakable bond with the sports world, in 1918. Game 1 of that year's World Series was notable for many reasons.
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As was common during sporting events, a military band was on hand to play, and while the fans were on their feet, the musicians fired up "The Star-Spangled Banner." They weren't the only active-duty servicemen on the field, though. Red Sox third baseman Fred Thomas was playing the Series while on furlough from the Navy, where he'd been learning seamanship at the Great Lakes Naval Training Station in Chicago.
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Upon hearing the opening notes of Key's song from the military band, Thomas immediately faced the flag and snapped to attention with a military salute. The other players on the field followed suit, in "civilian" fashion, meaning they stood and put their right hands over their hearts. The crowd, already standing, showed its first real signs of life all day, joining in a spontaneous sing-along, haltingly at first, then finishing with flair.
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Congress didn't officially adopt the "The Star-Spangled Banner" until 1931 -- and by that time it was already a baseball tradition steeped in wartime patriotism.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1819397 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 18:26:48 UTC - in response to Message 1819358.  

You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ?

The connection is the National Anthem itself. If you cannot see how so...

Why should there be a connection?

I can see it at a gathering of veterans, but a sporting event? Why not have a benediction and invoke a blessing from Allah?! Why anthem?
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Message 1819412 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 18:51:02 UTC - in response to Message 1819397.  

You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ?

The connection is the National Anthem itself. If you cannot see how so...

Why should there be a connection?

I can see it at a gathering of veterans, but a sporting event? Why not have a benediction and invoke a blessing from Allah?! Why anthem?

Must admit I did find it odd to hear an anthem played when I first went to a baseball game, having never heard one at a (non-international) football (or, if you prefer, soccer), rugby or cricket match. While it's pure speculation, I don't imagine any US team owner wants to be the first to stop playing it. I think the only answer for the "why" question now is "tradition", and, to my mind, that's insufficient.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1819455 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 22:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1819375.  

Do you mean this?


Yes.
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Message 1819456 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 22:06:37 UTC - in response to Message 1819358.  

You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ?

The connection is the National Anthem itself. If you cannot see how so...


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Message 1819472 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 22:55:58 UTC - in response to Message 1819412.  
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I can see it at a gathering of veterans, but a sporting event? Why not have a benediction and invoke a blessing from Allah?! Why anthem?

Must admit I did find it odd to hear an anthem played when I first went to a baseball game, having never heard one at a (non-international) football (or, if you prefer, soccer), rugby or cricket match. While it's pure speculation, I don't imagine any US team owner wants to be the first to stop playing it. I think the only answer for the "why" question now is "tradition", and, to my mind, that's insufficient.

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Message 1819532 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 2:02:58 UTC

It's not like no one else mentioned "tradition".
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Message 1819544 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 2:46:22 UTC - in response to Message 1819532.  

It's not like no one else mentioned "tradition".

Indeed, not sure there's been a more compelling answer to the question (and, of itself, it's not particularly compelling).
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1819569 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 5:16:47 UTC - in response to Message 1819544.  

It's not like no one else mentioned "tradition".

Indeed, not sure there's been a more compelling answer to the question (and, of itself, it's not particularly compelling).

Profit? Gives more time to sell "peanuts and crackerjack" or beer and hot dogs and lets everyone within earshot of the PA system know the game is about to start. Also gets the fans standing so the late arrivals can get down the aisle. Gives the fans something to do at the boring pre-game time. Wraps the home team in the flag. Profit?
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Message 1819600 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 10:10:52 UTC - in response to Message 1819569.  
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It's all about culture--at least culture of the past clashing with the culture of the here and now. America defines (defined) itself partially by it's sports.

Baseball and apple pie are uniquely identified with the red white and blue. Both baseball and football were American sports and American cultural icons. Things change however; now we also have the communist sport of Kick Ball. (Soccer).

The culture has changed. The country has changed. Some feel for none the better.

We older farts served in the military, had fathers who fought and won World War II and grandfathers that fought and won World War I. Older Americans may well feel that the younger generation disrespects the country or that the culture, sacrifices, prosperity and pre-eminance of the United States is slipping away rapidly.

This snub is emblematic of the societal, politically correct, racial split. Also it is symbolic of a lack of a sense of purpose so common in our society today.
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Message 1819605 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 11:17:42 UTC - in response to Message 1819600.  

now we also have the communist sport of Kick Ball. (Soccer).

LOL:)
Saying that is almost a protest!
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Message 1819606 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 11:19:53 UTC - in response to Message 1819600.  
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It's all about culture--at least culture of the past clashing with the culture of the here and now. America defines (defined) itself partially by it's sports.

Baseball and apple pie are uniquely identified with the red white and blue. Both baseball and football were American sports and American cultural icons. Things change however; now we also have the communist sport of Kick Ball. (Soccer).

The culture has changed. The country has changed. Some feel for none the better.

We older farts served in the military, had fathers who fought and won World War II and grandfathers that fought and won World War I. Older Americans may well feel that the younger generation disrespects the country or that the culture, sacrifices, prosperity and pre-eminance of the United States is slipping away rapidly.

This snub is emblematic of the societal, politically correct, racial split. Also it is symbolic of a lack of a sense of purpose so common in our society today.

Please retract.
Football, played with the feet, in many disguises has been played all over the world for centuries.

And if you are talking about the modern game, then the rules for association football where written in England.
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Message 1819632 - Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 13:05:23 UTC

My opinion is that these arrogant, overpaid sportsmen should be kneeling and kissing the ground they walk on for the blessing they have to be able to play a game for millions of dollars in this great country.
Instead, they come off like snot nosed little children.
The NFL should immediately add a clause to all contracts that proper respect for the national anthem is mandatory behavior at all publicly televised events.

And if anybody does not, immediate suspension is in order.

I am not saying that they cannot express their opinions off of the playing field.
That is certainly their right.

But, on the field, they should be expected to honor this country and those who have paid with their lives to make it our home.
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