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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
During the Olympic games when the Fijian athletes got down on there knees and clapped there hands 3 times during the medal ceremony , where they protesting ?? It's a sign of respect to kneel when they where given there medals by princess Ann. You Americans would never understand . So when your sportsman kneel when the anthem is played it's actually a sign of respect . You would learn a lot about respect from places like Fiji or Tonga or Samoa You don't know what respect is seeing as you kicked the king out 300 years ago . And still act like the little children that chucked a tantrum and went to war . 300 years later you are still not learning much |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11358 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
betreger, I did not ASK anything in this post. I agree there is no connection, my point is he used that platform to start a potentially useful dialog. If you don't get that your not as smart as I thought you were. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Gary sarge what no comment about my Hunger Games post . Gee, Glenn! You're right, we don't understand kneeling and none of us has talked about that. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
betreger, I did not ASK anything in this post. You grabbed that pic from 1 of 2 posters in this thread arguing against Kaspernick's protest. Respectfully, as far as I can tell, your argument is with Sirius B and qbit. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I've locked the thread for a cool down. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Reopening the thread, but please everybody calm down, and refrain from attacking each other. Insulting people does not help make or prove a point. It just means you're angry, and that's ok, too, but direct it toward the topic of the thread. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ? The connection is the National Anthem itself. If you cannot see how so... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
sarge that is one hell of a leap . Do you mean this? Ruth's last postseason appearances for the Boston Red Sox coincided with the song's first unbreakable bond with the sports world, in 1918. Game 1 of that year's World Series was notable for many reasons. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ? Why should there be a connection? I can see it at a gathering of veterans, but a sporting event? Why not have a benediction and invoke a blessing from Allah?! Why anthem? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ? Must admit I did find it odd to hear an anthem played when I first went to a baseball game, having never heard one at a (non-international) football (or, if you prefer, soccer), rugby or cricket match. While it's pure speculation, I don't imagine any US team owner wants to be the first to stop playing it. I think the only answer for the "why" question now is "tradition", and, to my mind, that's insufficient. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ? Circular. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I can see it at a gathering of veterans, but a sporting event? Why not have a benediction and invoke a blessing from Allah?! Why anthem? Must admit I did find it odd to hear an anthem played when I first went to a baseball game, having never heard one at a (non-international) football (or, if you prefer, soccer), rugby or cricket match. While it's pure speculation, I don't imagine any US team owner wants to be the first to stop playing it. I think the only answer for the "why" question now is "tradition", and, to my mind, that's insufficient. Ding ding! We have a winner! |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
It's not like no one else mentioned "tradition". Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
It's not like no one else mentioned "tradition". Indeed, not sure there's been a more compelling answer to the question (and, of itself, it's not particularly compelling). I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It's not like no one else mentioned "tradition". Profit? Gives more time to sell "peanuts and crackerjack" or beer and hot dogs and lets everyone within earshot of the PA system know the game is about to start. Also gets the fans standing so the late arrivals can get down the aisle. Gives the fans something to do at the boring pre-game time. Wraps the home team in the flag. Profit? |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
It's all about culture--at least culture of the past clashing with the culture of the here and now. America defines (defined) itself partially by it's sports. Baseball and apple pie are uniquely identified with the red white and blue. Both baseball and football were American sports and American cultural icons. Things change however; now we also have the communist sport of Kick Ball. (Soccer). The culture has changed. The country has changed. Some feel for none the better. We older farts served in the military, had fathers who fought and won World War II and grandfathers that fought and won World War I. Older Americans may well feel that the younger generation disrespects the country or that the culture, sacrifices, prosperity and pre-eminance of the United States is slipping away rapidly. This snub is emblematic of the societal, politically correct, racial split. Also it is symbolic of a lack of a sense of purpose so common in our society today. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
now we also have the communist sport of Kick Ball. (Soccer). LOL:) Saying that is almost a protest! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
It's all about culture--at least culture of the past clashing with the culture of the here and now. America defines (defined) itself partially by it's sports. Please retract. Football, played with the feet, in many disguises has been played all over the world for centuries. And if you are talking about the modern game, then the rules for association football where written in England. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
My opinion is that these arrogant, overpaid sportsmen should be kneeling and kissing the ground they walk on for the blessing they have to be able to play a game for millions of dollars in this great country. Instead, they come off like snot nosed little children. The NFL should immediately add a clause to all contracts that proper respect for the national anthem is mandatory behavior at all publicly televised events. And if anybody does not, immediate suspension is in order. I am not saying that they cannot express their opinions off of the playing field. That is certainly their right. But, on the field, they should be expected to honor this country and those who have paid with their lives to make it our home. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
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