Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests

Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 . . . 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819198 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 17:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 1819083.  
Last modified: 23 Sep 2016, 18:09:14 UTC

Gary sarge what no comment about my Hunger Games post .

Your willing to use 1984 but reject the Hunger Games !! why is that I wonder


Glenn, what?!? People in Australia don't sleep? People in Australia don't have jobs? Of course, that's as ridiculous as your responses to me, because you aren't even addressing what I'm saying. Not by a long shot. As for "The Hnuger Games", I've read the 3 books many times and watched the movies many times. (The first movie was good, the remainder left too much out. They cut out many of the other redeemable characters from The Capitol.) Your comment about Katinss raising her arm has absolutely nothing to do with what I've said.
I've said elsewhere that people are also taking offense to some of these athletes "taking a knee" during the anthem. Kneeling is recognized by many as a submission or deference, so how in the world anyone is taking offense to that is beyond me.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819198 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819200 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 18:02:56 UTC - in response to Message 1819127.  

My view is that we are the freest nation on Earth,


Good, I salute you. I also request that you check again on
the freedom thingy, Freedom comes in many shapes and flavours.
I could go into the definitions stuff, but I believe we all know
where we stand on such things.


That's great that you can pick and choose areas where you believe you are freer than us. How about taking my comments within context of the discussion? Nah, let's just take exception to individual statements and disregard the context with which they're given! /s That is to say: do you believe a symbol or gesture should be held in higher regard than one's right to self expression and even protest?


And if I'm correct that many pledge, recite and sing by rote, are they even thinking of the symbol?
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819200 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819201 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 18:04:53 UTC - in response to Message 1819159.  
Last modified: 23 Sep 2016, 18:05:18 UTC

+1

As Ozzfan stated, everyone has the right of self expression & to protest as those rights were earned the hard way.

To see one person's opinion lambasted as b***s*** & by a teacher no less, speaks volumes.


No, it doesn't.
Call a spade a spade.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Ozs is in agreement with you.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819201 · Report as offensive
Profile MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 02
Posts: 6895
Credit: 6,588,977
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1819205 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 18:22:25 UTC

I Don't Want To Stand when National Anthem is Sang/Played. I Don't Go to any Event for Purpose of Standing and Listening to National Anthem.

Most People Look Ridiculous during Anthem. Embarrassing to Witness.

I Don't Want to Give A Few Minutes of My Time, Stand, and NOT CARING at This Moment about PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE SACRIFICES.

I'll Care or Not Care, when I Want To.

Because Some People BELIEVE INTENSELY, I Should Stand/Participate in Anthem, is, for me, A Great Reason Not To.

Were My GrandDad, Father and Me a Vet? Yes. SO F**king What.

Leave Me Alone World. F**K Off.

F**King Yap, Man.

May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
ID: 1819205 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819211 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 18:52:17 UTC - in response to Message 1819208.  

I Don't Want To Stand when National Anthem is Sang/Played. I Don't Go to any Event for Purpose of Standing and Listening to National Anthem.

Most People Look Ridiculous during Anthem. Embarrassing to Witness.

I Don't Want to Give A Few Minutes of My Time, Stand, and NOT CARING at This Moment about PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE SACRIFICES.

I'll Care or Not Care, when I Want To.

Because Some People BELIEVE INTENSELY, I Should Stand/Participate in Anthem, is, for me, A Great Reason Not To.

Were My GrandDad, Father and Me a Vet? Yes. SO F**king What.

Leave Me Alone World. F**K Off.

F**King Yap, Man.

Heh, finally I can put a big +1 to one of your posts. I couldn't agree more.


+2
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819211 · Report as offensive
Profile celttooth
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 21 Nov 99
Posts: 26503
Credit: 28,583,098
RAC: 0
Canada
Message 1819212 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 18:54:50 UTC - in response to Message 1819211.  

Heh, finally I can put a big +1 to one of your posts. I couldn't agree more.


+2


Ok you guys, quit this right now. We shall have
no agreement before it's time in this form!


ID: 1819212 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819229 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 20:21:20 UTC - in response to Message 1819026.  

Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.
Sarge I disagree this picture says there is.
http://i.imgur.com/8S5zkBh.jpg


So, are you saying that because Kaspernick has protested one inequity or perceived inequity, all inequities or perceived inequities should be protested, all at once? Or, as you still have not answered, do you believe he should not be protesting at all? Don't go off on "grammar nazi" about the placement of the comma. You're still not being clear.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819229 · Report as offensive
Profile j mercer
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 3 Jun 99
Posts: 2422
Credit: 12,323,733
RAC: 1
United States
Message 1819233 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 21:41:01 UTC - in response to Message 1819211.  

I Don't Want To Stand when National Anthem is Sang/Played. I Don't Go to any Event for Purpose of Standing and Listening to National Anthem.

Most People Look Ridiculous during Anthem. Embarrassing to Witness.

I Don't Want to Give A Few Minutes of My Time, Stand, and NOT CARING at This Moment about PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE SACRIFICES.

I'll Care or Not Care, when I Want To.

Because Some People BELIEVE INTENSELY, I Should Stand/Participate in Anthem, is, for me, A Great Reason Not To.

Were My GrandDad, Father and Me a Vet? Yes. SO F**king What.

Leave Me Alone World. F**K Off.

F**King Yap, Man.

Heh, finally I can put a big +1 to one of your posts. I couldn't agree more.


+2

+3
...
ID: 1819233 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819234 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 21:45:14 UTC - in response to Message 1819053.  

Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.

Incorrect.

They fell to preserve freedom. That athlete & your statement dishonours that!

Yes, that athlete had the freedom to do what he did, but he did it in the wrong manner & the wrong place.

Those fallen also fell to give me that same freedom & I'm saying you're wrong.


B***s***. Read the article I linked, for one.
Two, how much do you want to bet few to one no one's thinking of the country or the military when they stand and sing the anthem. Just like not thinking about God when reciting/singing liturgy/hymns (particularly if in Latin, not understood).

So they fell to give you the freedom of speech while at the same time to quell the freedom of others - Is that what Yanks really think? Are they really full of bovine excrement?

BTW I've often attended sports stadiums & want to watch the game - not some greedy overpaid wally woofer making politic statements.


You call disagreement "quelling"? Really? Seriously?? (Like we didn't see you type the Brit word for excrement with the i changed to y and then chastise me for my words.)
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819234 · Report as offensive
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 14106
Credit: 655,366
RAC: 0
Sweden
Message 1819236 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 21:59:18 UTC - in response to Message 1819233.  

I Don't Want To Stand when National Anthem is Sang/Played. I Don't Go to any Event for Purpose of Standing and Listening to National Anthem.
Most People Look Ridiculous during Anthem. Embarrassing to Witness.
I Don't Want to Give A Few Minutes of My Time, Stand, and NOT CARING at This Moment about PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE SACRIFICES.
I'll Care or Not Care, when I Want To.
Because Some People BELIEVE INTENSELY, I Should Stand/Participate in Anthem, is, for me, A Great Reason Not To.
Were My GrandDad, Father and Me a Vet? Yes. SO F**king What.
Leave Me Alone World. F**K Off.
F**King Yap, Man.

Heh, finally I can put a big +1 to one of your posts. I couldn't agree more.

+2

+3

+4
I remember my army days.
At noon the regiment played a tune which meant that if you were outside hearing it you was supposed to salute the flag at attention.
So what happens?
Everybody avoided to be outside at noon and waited a few minutes before going to the canteen.
Standing at attention perhaps alone on a yard feels very awkward to me and others.
ID: 1819236 · Report as offensive
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11358
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1819237 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 22:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 1819229.  

Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.
Sarge I disagree this picture says there is.
http://i.imgur.com/8S5zkBh.jpg


So, are you saying that because Kaspernick has protested one inequity or perceived inequity, all inequities or perceived inequities should be protested, all at once? Or, as you still have not answered, do you believe he should not be protesting at all? Don't go off on "grammar nazi" about the placement of the comma. You're still not being clear.

Sarge I am stating that the fact Kaspernick's protest has started a a much needed conversation that previous protests have failed to start. He apparently sees hypocrisy in pretending all is OK in this country as that picture of that destitute veteran shows it is not.
ID: 1819237 · Report as offensive
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1819243 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 22:27:25 UTC - in response to Message 1819234.  

(Like we didn't see you type the Brit word for excrement with the i changed to y and then chastise me for my words.)

You now the rules just as well as me. For further clarification, question those in power.

If I could I wouldn't change the letters mentioned.
ID: 1819243 · Report as offensive
Sirius B Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 00
Posts: 24875
Credit: 3,081,182
RAC: 7
Ireland
Message 1819245 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 22:33:30 UTC - in response to Message 1819190.  

This addresses nothing of what I said.
Don't blame it on the teacher. You like to use that ATTACK.
Number one, I don't teach history or politics.
Number two, you attempt to absolve yourself of any responsibility as a "student".

I asked you to clarify which you posted a photo of 1984 with the statement "whipping into a frenzy". Isn't that known as incitement?
ID: 1819245 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819248 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 22:50:17 UTC - in response to Message 1819237.  

Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.
Sarge I disagree this picture says there is.
http://i.imgur.com/8S5zkBh.jpg


So, are you saying that because Kaspernick has protested one inequity or perceived inequity, all inequities or perceived inequities should be protested, all at once? Or, as you still have not answered, do you believe he should not be protesting at all? Don't go off on "grammar nazi" about the placement of the comma. You're still not being clear.

Sarge I am stating that the fact Kaspernick's protest has started a a much needed conversation that previous protests have failed to start. He apparently sees hypocrisy in pretending all is OK in this country as that picture of that destitute veteran shows it is not.


And why, cxactly, are you saying this in response to what I said? What do you think I said? Do you continue to think that?
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819248 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819249 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 22:57:37 UTC - in response to Message 1819243.  

(Like we didn't see you type the Brit word for excrement with the i changed to y and then chastise me for my words.)

You now the rules just as well as me. For further clarification, question those in power.

If I could I wouldn't change the letters mentioned.



SETI Forums wrote:
Message 1660510 - Posted: 1 Apr 2015, 22:29:38 UTC

Just a reminder as there seems to be some confusion in the policy regarding swearing:

*) Swear words need to be self censored. (&%(^##^ is perfectlly accpetable as is f***, f**k, f-ing, and WTF. If you do not censor yourself, we will be forced to do it for you.


How many times have I even used such words here? 2 or 3 times in 11 years?
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819249 · Report as offensive
bobby
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 22 Mar 02
Posts: 2866
Credit: 17,789,109
RAC: 3
United States
Message 1819257 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 23:41:17 UTC - in response to Message 1819181.  

Ya, there ya go... I just don't understand, do I? I'm just an a-hole, shameful and probably some other things. Punchline rimshot: badaboom-splash. Right on queue.

I won't end up in the streets. If I do, it won't be because of anything related to my military service.

I won't even bother to try to explain further as none of you has even acknowledged my previous post.


There were three posts between the one I'm replying to and your previous post. One was a reply to your previous post and another referenced "Guy" which several of us here remember as being your name sometime before you became "socialism kills". Do you even bother to read the posts of others? What would be a meaningful acknowledgment?

Right... As a veteran, I can't possibly know anything about other veterans who have personal problems, how they are treated, what they go through before they are released from active duty, where they go if it's documented that they have no "home of record" or anything about the chances of what the real situation is about the person standing on the street corner wearing tattered uniform items and begging for *money*.


You know about your own experience, generalizing from the experience may be fair, though it may not. One thing is certain, unless you engage with the person begging for money, you'll not *know* that person's reason for being there. You may have an opinion, though opinions are not knowledge.

Your answer is to give anybody all the money they ask for and that'll fix the problem(s). Whatever... keep on lobbying to do that.


Who suggested this was an answer? Guy, your habit of assigning additional positions to posts you disagree with can only serve to antagonize, why not try to establish a posters beliefs prior to attacking them? Alternatively, if you are referring to a previous post, why not link it?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

ID: 1819257 · Report as offensive
For the Children of the World.

Send message
Joined: 22 Sep 16
Posts: 59
Credit: 116
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1819262 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 0:38:45 UTC

Here's a thought.
The US National Anthem should be broadcast, on all media sources originating from US soil, 5 times a day.
All US citizens should at those times stand facing Washington with their heads in abeyance, right hand over heart.
Problem solved. lol.
ID: 1819262 · Report as offensive
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11358
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1819268 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 0:56:29 UTC - in response to Message 1819237.  

Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.
Sarge I disagree this picture says there is.
http://i.imgur.com/8S5zkBh.jpg


So, are you saying that because Kaspernick has protested one inequity or perceived inequity, all inequities or perceived inequities should be protested, all at once? Or, as you still have not answered, do you believe he should not be protesting at all? Don't go off on "grammar nazi" about the placement of the comma. You're still not being clear.

Sarge I am stating that the fact Kaspernick's protest has started a a much needed conversation that previous protests have failed to start. He apparently sees hypocrisy in pretending all is OK in this country as that picture of that destitute veteran shows it is not.

Sarge you did not say anything you only asked a question and I answered it.
ID: 1819268 · Report as offensive
Profile Gary Charpentier Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 30608
Credit: 53,134,872
RAC: 32
United States
Message 1819273 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 1:08:36 UTC - in response to Message 1819271.  

Guy and Sarge are not the same person Glenn.
ID: 1819273 · Report as offensive
Profile Sarge
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 99
Posts: 12273
Credit: 8,569,109
RAC: 79
United States
Message 1819274 - Posted: 24 Sep 2016, 1:17:45 UTC - in response to Message 1819023.  
Last modified: 24 Sep 2016, 1:20:29 UTC

There's a time & place for everything.

Sports Arenas & Movie theatres are there to provide entertainment for the crowds/audience.

If they want to spout political bovine excrement, then they should use the Jeremy Kyle Show, Opfrah Show, social media or political conventions.


AS ENTERTAINMENT. there is NO connection to NATION. Such so-called connections are only now perceived as connections due to the weight of tradition.

If ANYTHING, at football games, they should pledge the flag of the state a team is from and sing its state's anthem. That's all it is: fake wars between teams from major states or major cities.

Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.


betreger, I did not ASK anything in this post.
I said, and have continued to say, that there is no inherent connection between sporting events and observances of things related to the nation,
The singing of the national anthem appears to gave started (or at least became institutionalized) during dark times of war, when they had the opportunity to rouse patriotism at a time when a great multitude was present.
By the weight of tradition, this practice continues.
I said, essentially, that the trotting out of memes/pictures, by 2 here, of the dead and hurt is shameful to their memories. Since there is no inherent connection between sorting events and patriotic observances, as these 2 protest Kaspernick's protests, they plead to emotion while dragging along those that can longer speak for themselves. Dragged them into a conversation of which they should not even be a part. There is no inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic observances.

You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ?
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
ID: 1819274 · Report as offensive
Previous · 1 . . . 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · Next

Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.