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Message 1819125 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 9:42:18 UTC - in response to Message 1819093.  
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In my view national emblems and anthems should not be used at sporting events unless it is a international competition.
Sports and politics should be separate, except, of course, they never can be.
And let us not forget in a lot of team sports the participants are mercenaries, they are only there for the money and the inflation of their ego's. They have no allegiance to anybody or anything except their beliefs.

That separation has never been.
Even the Greeks and their Olympic games was in many ways political.
Anthems are very political.

Here Zlatan sang our national anthem that doesn't mention any country at all but he changed the last lyric line.
"I want to live, I want to die in the North"
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"I want to live, I want to die in Sweden"

Zlatan Ibrahimović.
Du gamla du fria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvdzQ7uVPc

Then of course we have Finland that did a cover on our song:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CdiPYNESTc
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Message 1819127 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 10:07:16 UTC - in response to Message 1819041.  
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My view is that we are the freest nation on Earth,


Good, I salute you. I also request that you check again on
the freedom thingy, Freedom comes in many shapes and flavours.
I could go into the definitions stuff, but I believe we all know
where we stand on such things.


That's great that you can pick and choose areas where you believe you are freer than us. How about taking my comments within context of the discussion? Nah, let's just take exception to individual statements and disregard the context with which they're given! /s That is to say: do you believe a symbol or gesture should be held in higher regard than one's right to self expression and even protest?
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Message 1819149 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 13:21:11 UTC - in response to Message 1819141.  
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Let's talk about the real issues here:

Actions have consequences, legal or not. What do you think is appropriate?
If you were an employer would you tolerate this in your workplace ?

Taking appropriate actions might just change the look of the NFL--what do you say ?
In this case are we Politically Correct, Politically Incorrect or just plain chicken and hypocritical ??
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Message 1819157 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 13:47:46 UTC - in response to Message 1819149.  

Let's talk about the real issues here:

Actions have consequences, legal or not. What do you think is appropriate?
If you were an employer would you tolerate this in your workplace ?

My customers would strenuously object. But my customers include the families of 5 recipients of the Medal of Honor. I might not be a good example.

I can see how many places would not want the potential for the firestorm of bad publicity on social media. It could close their business.

As we all know local community standards vary across the USA. What might be acceptable in NYC or SFO may not be in Podunk Hollow.
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Message 1819158 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 14:07:21 UTC - in response to Message 1819089.  

lame...


your answer is lame . Not answering the question is lame
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Message 1819159 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 14:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 1819157.  

+1

As Ozzfan stated, everyone has the right of self expression & to protest as those rights were earned the hard way.

To see one person's opinion lambasted as b***s*** & by a teacher no less, speaks volumes.
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Message 1819161 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 14:16:42 UTC - in response to Message 1819097.  

Oh, if they are never off the clock then that is 24hr employment and that is illegal


How many little people working for the xyz co get fired for damaging the company's reputation on social media? Say posting racist comments and in some other post saying who they work for? and having the company friended?


you answered you own comment there .

A sportsman goes to a bar and gets drunk pees on the bar and it get plastered all over social media .
Even thou they are on there time they get fired. Why are they fired if they are on there own time .....because big money players are never really off the clock till they retire . The excuse is they bring the code into disrepute all B/S off cause
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Message 1819162 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 14:28:46 UTC - in response to Message 1819141.  

A vet that is homeless and has to beg for food !!!!
As a veteran, this statement shows me how LITTLE you know about our military, are Veteran's Affairs and our welfare system


really is that what you got from what I posted .

Guess you need to read the sign he is holding

it says he is homeless and will work for food So he's either a lier or a crim or he is actually homeless

I seem to remember that your vets where not being looked after when they came back from Iraq and Obama did something to change it . But only after it hit the news .
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Message 1819164 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 14:51:22 UTC

Here in Canada there are ex-service people who go
out to the streets at night looking for destitute vets'
who have fallen on hard times. It is a big issue up
here, as it should be.


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Message 1819172 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 16:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 1819168.  

If a homeless vet is standing on a street corner begging here in the U.S., it's a choice he/she made. A *bad* choice. A choice designed to take advantage of others. A choice that imposes on those around him/her. A *selfish* choice. And a choice made by some people which is by all definitions, fraud. Fraud which is fully supported by our supreme court because a majority of those knuckleheads said it violates a person's right to LIE.


Really hope you don't end up on the streets , or maybe if you did your attitiude towards them might change slightly .
Everyone makes choices maybe they made the right choice but circumstances made them homeless , every case is different . Ever 4t about that or are you just a a-hole ?
Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)
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Message 1819175 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 16:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 1819168.  

You my good man are a shame full person!

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Message 1819177 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 16:29:13 UTC - in response to Message 1819175.  

Guy has a long tradition of shameful posts.
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Message 1819186 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 17:29:48 UTC - in response to Message 1819181.  

Who's army were you in?


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Message 1819189 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 17:41:24 UTC


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Message 1819190 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 17:43:18 UTC - in response to Message 1819069.  


The latter, which has nothing to do with the Nation. They're whipped into a frenzy. Just like Winston and Julia were against whomever Big Brother said they were currently at war against.

So using a sports arena to incite war & political statements is okay then.

Gordon Bennett, what are you teaching your students?


This addresses nothing of what I said.
Don't blame it on the teacher. You like to use that ATTACK.
Number one, I don't teach history or politics.
Number two, you attempt to absolve yourself of any responsibility as a "student".
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Message 1819191 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 17:45:07 UTC - in response to Message 1819070.  

sarge that is one hell of a leap .
To associate 1984 with 1 sportsman holding his fist up in protest

It's also a good example of why we in the Colony's laugh at you lot

You all ways go to the extreme left when it comes to Freedom but the extreme right is ok hence 60,000 direct deaths from guns . To blind to see the problem .

Because to do away with guns is to infringe on your rights .what about the right not to get shot ?


This also addresses nothing of what I said.
Not one bit.
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Message 1819193 - Posted: 23 Sep 2016, 17:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 1819070.  

sarge that is one hell of a leap .
To associate 1984 with 1 sportsman holding his fist up in protest

It's also a good example of why we in the Colony's laugh at you lot

You all ways go to the extreme left when it comes to Freedom but the extreme right is ok hence 60,000 direct deaths from guns . To blind to see the problem .

Because to do away with guns is to infringe on your rights .what about the right not to get shot ?


It is no leap.
What is in the mind of a person when they pledge the flag?
What is in the mind of a person when they rise and sing the national anthem?
Are they thinking of their country? Any of the good? Any of the bad?
What is in the mind of a person when, at church, reciting liturgy or singing hymns? Are they thinking of God?
Or are they performing things by rote? Trying to make sure they look good and proper in front of their peers?
Has anybody read the article from ESPN of why we have the national anthem at sporting events? I browsed parts of it. I'll bet some of the reasons no longer apply or or were bad reasons in the first place.
Again: what place does singing the national anthem have at sporting events??? And if it has a place, then why isn't it required at every entertainment event? Or reciting the pledge to the flag? Or either of these whenever 2 US citizens have gathered???
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