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Message 1814284 - Posted: 1 Sep 2016, 8:03:27 UTC - in response to Message 1813506.  

I'm sure that many of you have seen the news reports of a "SETI signal" detected from the star HD 164595

But, of course, it's been announced to the media. Reporters won't have the background to know it's not interesting.... It's not our first time at this rodeo, so we know how it works.


You are obviously an NWO plant, doing the Illumanti's dirty work by helping to suppress the truth.
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Message 1814746 - Posted: 3 Sep 2016, 0:24:45 UTC - in response to Message 1814284.  

I've heard a number of things about the Illuminati/the secret rulers of the world/whatever you want to call them. I believe there's something wierd going on (like MH17, a plane that was 17-years-old, came down at 37 degrees east on the 17th July), but it begs the question, why? What do the elite have to gain by fooling us?
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Message 1814858 - Posted: 3 Sep 2016, 19:08:25 UTC



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Message 1815507 - Posted: 7 Sep 2016, 6:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1814858.  



If there was a like button, I would click it, because FRINGE
"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.
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Message 1815522 - Posted: 7 Sep 2016, 7:24:47 UTC - in response to Message 1813713.  

It's a bad habit to doubt things routinely though. Although I do understand the situation. I think it's also a good thing that the media and other news sources keep public eyes and minds on such ideas. It keeps hopes up and wild imaginations at play,because oneday we will discover life and its almost guaranteed we will doubt what we have found because we have gotten so used to it.


I beg to differ.

This is science. Science doubts things routinely.
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Message 1816390 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 13:25:21 UTC

I genuinely wish that more people would get into the habit of doubting things routinely.

+1. There must always be a clear scientific explanation for matters of this importance.
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Message 1818126 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 3:43:47 UTC

I can't help but be the "Devil's Advocate" here. I've been a SETI-at-home member for a long time. And never once during that membership did I ever believe that membership would be "told" of a valid encounter with an extraterrestrial intelligence. And I've always believed that if a valid encounter was ever made, it would be ridiculed and poo-pooed by a number of people.

Really (straw poll), how many members really think that SETI-at-home would ever publicly announce a valid contact with an extraterrestrial intelligence?

The movie "Contact" was very entertaining. But ultimately, it was "Hollywood." In reality, if a valid contact was determined to be valid, our Homeland Security people (and every "alphabet" agency of government - ie., CIA, NSA, etc., etc.) would be all over it. And if that contact was ever leaked to the public, a vast "machine" of ridiculers and poo-poo-ers would come forward to counter the news with disinformation.

It would be nice if we could contact an extraterrestrial intelligence. I'm not saying it will never happen. In fact, I'm saying that maybe it's already happened and society is being treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed BS). But whether we have or haven't contacted "E.T." is something that, I think, will forever be shrouded in the realm of "wouldn't it be nice" - and that neither you nor me nor anyone else will ever hear about it.
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Message 1818128 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 4:23:29 UTC - in response to Message 1818126.  
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Just a P.S. to my last post below.

Years ago, there was a SF magazine called "Aboriginal Science Fiction." I used to subscribe to it and remember one short story that was hard to forget. It took place in present-time circumstances. What follows is a short summary of the story.

A man is leaving a theater in the evening, waiting for his wife to come out (she had to visit the bathroom first). While he's waiting, a disheveled homeless man approaches him on the sidewalk and calls out to him. The man turns the other way and tries to ignore the homeless guy. But, the homeless guy is persistent. And finally, the man turns to the homeless guy and asks him what he wants.

The homeless guy said he was just interested in having some conversation ... telling the man he was a former NASA employee laid off during cutbacks ... and found himself "overqualified" for other jobs. The man scoffs at him, saying, "The next thing you'll tell me is that aliens from outer space really exist."

"They do," the homeless guy replied, "And I've even communicated with them."

"Really?" the man responded in disbelief. "Tell me then. Why haven't they come forward and made themselves known so no one would have any doubt they exist?"

"Because of what they've seen of the human race," the homeless guy replied. "We're poor stewards of our own planet. We drain it of its resources and never really give anything back to it. And we fight among ourselves out of greed and envy. To them, Earthers are the street-people of the universe. And whenever they see us, they just turn the other way and try to ignore us."
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I can't remember the author's name. But at the time he wrote the story, he was an editor at Physics Today magazine.
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Message 1818210 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 14:50:36 UTC - in response to Message 1818126.  

In answer to your proposed straw poll: Yes, I believe that we would be told of the reception of a genuine SETI signal by the SETI@Home project. The same goes for any other SETI project, too. I think there is a tendency to overestimate the ability and the inclination of governmental authorities to suppress such a discovery.

The recent announcement from Russia of a possible SETI signal supports this conclusion. If this can happen even in Russia, which maintains a much tighter control on information reaching the public, than in the West, it seems likely that it can happen elsewhere, too.
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Message 1818213 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 15:01:14 UTC - in response to Message 1818128.  

To make further use of your 'street people' metaphor, even if we are viewed by extraterrestrials in such a light, the result need not be that we will be shunned. Even in Earth societies, which are all fairly primitive, help of various sorts is frequently offered to homeless persons.

Perhaps we, as a species, are due for some such help. Our tendency to 'burn down the house', as it were, might draw attention and action, on the principle that we have the potential for good, and that we, and our planet are worth saving.
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Message 1818221 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 15:38:53 UTC - in response to Message 1818126.  

Let's see, if I found ET and announced it I would be famous and never have to worry about funding my SETI projects again in my life. The funding would be rolling in for us to analyze the signal while continuing to search for more.

Or I could hide the fact that I had found ET and continue to toil in relative obscurity, spending most of my time trying to get enough money to keep the project funded, knowing that eventually we will run out of money and the project will end.

I don't think it would be a difficult decision.
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Message 1818268 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 19:20:54 UTC

Well, I just don't know. I'm 66 years old and admit to being jaded by anything that has to do with government. Given the tremendous sociological implications and religious implications that would surround a genuine contact, I suspect government would "default" to maintaining the status-quo of keeping "E.T." on the fringe of beliefs ... and using whatever pressure was needed to suppress knowledge of a genuine contact. That would include tools like shaming, ridicule, character assassinations of scientific professionals involved in the contact, and even disinformation to keep the topic "cloudy."

Frankly, I think there's only one way we'd know for sure that "E.T." exists ... if an alien spacecraft landed on Earth in such a public way that no amount of disinformation could dispute the truth.

Michael Watson wrote:

The recent announcement from Russia of a possible SETI signal supports this conclusion.

Was this announcement met with acceptance ... or was it met with skepticism and ridicule? The reaction to their announcement could just as easily support my conclusion.
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Message 1818273 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 19:59:51 UTC - in response to Message 1818268.  

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Message 1818313 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 22:58:26 UTC - in response to Message 1818126.  

Really (straw poll), how many members really think that SETI-at-home would ever publicly announce a valid contact with an extraterrestrial intelligence?


I'm a big fan of "the bigger the secret, the harder it is to keep". I do not think there is any way any government on the face of this planet would be able to be cooperative enough to hide such information for long. And there's not a scientist on this planet that wouldn't want to share the information, if only for verification reasons. Once that many hands have it, and once it's been verified, the cat's out of the bag.

(So that's a yes, I believe they would absolutely announce it.)
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Message 1818318 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 0:10:38 UTC - in response to Message 1818268.  

The degree of skepticism that greeted the Russian announcement was appropriate to the circumstances, and (scientific) setting. There was no attempt to prevent the relevant information from being shared.

Confirmation of the supposed signal has already been attempted by at least one other SETI facility, despite only a very broadly defined range of frequencies within which it might be located, and a good deal of terrestrial interference found therein.
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Message 1818721 - Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 21:09:53 UTC - in response to Message 1818268.  

Any government would probably jump at the chance to announce the first discovery of an alien civilisation.
1) imagine the bragging rights they'd get from that
2) it would distract attention from all the geopolitical mess that humans have got themselves into
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Message 1818817 - Posted: 22 Sep 2016, 3:45:21 UTC

Hello SETI@home people,
I have just joined SETI@Home due to the fluster over HD 164595.
So if you will indulge my slight sidebar..
I'm recently retired from 23 years of Radiologic Technology.
When I began in Nuclear Medicine the military contacted our UofA as the twinkle of stars is identical to the scintillation of isotopes. Our Gamma cameras were a basis for star mapping and stellar navigation.
I have always been a fan of Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson rekindled my interest and I want to put my radiological science knowledge to a good use.
I run my own servers at my home and was pleased to permit the bandwidth use for SETI@home
Thank you for ability to be communicating with some of the most intelligent cosmos explorers in our time and one extra terrestrial on this thread.
Its all due to a fluffy signal from HD 164595.
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Message 1818949 - Posted: 22 Sep 2016, 19:00:02 UTC - in response to Message 1818817.  

Hi!

Put a radio inside your computer and trust the numbers being told you by listening.

Welcome.
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Message 1819889 - Posted: 26 Sep 2016, 11:31:06 UTC - in response to Message 1813616.  
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ID 8124204, that would be kicking around since 1999.

SETI@home started 17 May 1999.
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Message 1819970 - Posted: 26 Sep 2016, 20:37:55 UTC - in response to Message 1813656.  

It's an interesting idea. This biggest issue would be a data recorder capable of recording baseband data and whatever the bandwidth of their widest receiver, preferably in a format like guppi raw. The front end electronics (analog+ADC) would probably be more expensive than the back end (PCs+GPUs).

Regarding contacts there, I don't have any contacts there as of now. I'll probably meet some of them for the first time at the end of next month at the IAA meeting.


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