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Message 1813847 - Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 17:02:03 UTC

It's a bad habit to doubt things routinely though.

Actually, it is quite a good habit to doubt things routinely. That is how science works.

The very best of scientists have a good idea, and then spend the rest of their careers trying to prove themselves wrong.

I genuinely wish that more people would get into the habit of doubting things routinely.
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Message 1813878 - Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 19:02:36 UTC - in response to Message 1813608.  

The signal could have been lost due to the rotation of the planet it came from,couldn't it??
Been using SETI for several years now and love it!!!
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Message 1813911 - Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 20:55:22 UTC - in response to Message 1813847.  
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"Actually, it is quite a good habit to doubt things routinely. That is how science works. "

Beat me to it.
Yeah..it's astounding how scientific method escapes most people.
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Message 1813930 - Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 21:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 1813506.  

@Eric Korpela

I would think that we track the satellites that orbit Earth. Could we not at least eliminate or verify the satellite in field of view theory from reviewing satellite tracking data?

Though it may not be too interesting for SETI by your standpoint, I find it very interesting. Though I am not someone as technically knowledgeable about all the possibilities of what it could be as you may be. This event is significant in other ways. First, even if the signal is not artificial, it is a good scenario to see what it is like to discover an anomalous signal. Second, it can help to work towards answers to questions like, how will the world react to the news? what kind of media coverage will it get (how will the information be passed on to the public)?

I can only hope that this is more significant than you may think. Either way...it had me pretty excited!
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Message 1813947 - Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 22:32:09 UTC - in response to Message 1813930.  

Unfortunately, we don't have a catalog of the frequencies transmitted by all the satellites in orbit, or even a list of all the satellites in orbit. The US government would not allow us to create such a satellite frequency catalog if we wanted to. They would certainly no longer allow us to continue to use US government facilities if we did attempt to make such a catalog.

I'm fairly sure that our Russian colleagues would have similar difficulties.
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Message 1813959 - Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 23:10:03 UTC - in response to Message 1813947.  

While it may be missing some military birds ...
http://www.n2yo.com/
seems to have a extensive list.
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Message 1813974 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 0:20:18 UTC - in response to Message 1813714.  

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/l7vlvf4lc4yse/SETI

Well this is just an archive I created to show interesting signals in some of the data files...
Yea the WOW signal was an intercept from some military transmission...
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Message 1813975 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 0:26:44 UTC
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its strength is great enough that it was clearly made by a civilization with capabilities beyond those of humankind,


Pure Nonsense.

I have long advocated concentrating on Proxima Centuri and that group only because it might allow for an eaves dropping type of signal to be detected. What we might have here is a one-time beacon which is thrown away by Seti@home. I won't fret over it though since I think that it is unlikely that these nearby stars would have a truly Earth-like planet. None the less, we should record each of these messages even if they are one-ime and then look for intelligence in the modulation of these strong signals.
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Message 1814008 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 2:03:37 UTC - in response to Message 1813975.  

If we look at the WoW signal we know that it was shown on the hydrogen line most likely due to a hydrogen explosion. In the message it says This is the launch 7pm. 1061. (1061 stands for continue message in teletype). Therefore we know that audio signals can be buried in an assortment of natural and artificial radio activity like cosmic rays etc.... Right now the Earth is being hit by a mass cosmic ray source from the middle of a black hole 7 billion light years away.
I wish they would point it in that direction under the assumption that it could pick up signals embedded in the cosmic rays for over 7 billion light years...
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Message 1814012 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 2:10:05 UTC - in response to Message 1813975.  

I am also not interested in the strength of the signal... I am more interested in searching for data that has been buried in the background noise of the signal. Vocal signals have a datagram that stand out. Maybe they havn't publically found anything because they are looking at the data in the wrong way.
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Message 1814015 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 2:13:00 UTC - in response to Message 1813975.  

This is an example of that method...
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6ooo6866fy58scy/blc4_2bit_guppi_57451_66326_HIP117463_OFF_0014.0013_Scalar_vocal.wav
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Message 1814017 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 2:17:46 UTC - in response to Message 1813791.  
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If this truly has an alien origin, a signal that strong from a star 95 light years away would likely come from a Kardashev Type II civilization.
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Message 1814031 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 3:13:56 UTC - in response to Message 1814017.  
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Yea I don't believe that anyone above type II status would use traditional radio, not at least for important communications.... Quantum communications would be the next step... I don't expect we are going to find anyone much more advanced from that time frame that we are or will be in the next 100 years... The monkeys on this planet are getting pretty damn smart. The younger generation knows better than to use prejudices and enforce rules that harm our own planet. I think this is more about reducing the culture shock to people... Most people seem pretty comfortable in their bubble. No reason to pop it too quickly. With more globalization and genetic diversity we are seeing less inbreeding, and stupidity. "*Coughs* confederate flag." Its sad that southern baptists don't trust methodist and so many religious battles. I suppose throwing the Alien wrench in shit could be a good or bad thing... If Science assumed that the galaxy and universe is full of intelligent life how would we view the data differently? The presumption that we base being alone off is just a one up spin off from religious doctrine that once stated we are the center of the Universe and the Earth is flat... Why should we assume the closest to that without "proof" instead of the other way around? What I think is crazy is believing in an invisible entity that created all life and controls our fate during life and after death. This entity controls a invisible plane called heaven and hell and can never be proven or disproven. Compare that with the latter... The latter being there are billions of stars in this galaxy each having planets and many containing life, some of which are intelligent. Now that sounds sane to me. 90% of people in the world like some on this very forum believe the insane version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVZ9bPRTiIA&list=LLbPk1tvZC9M_etjm17QWl-w&index=10
In the 1990's we assumed that even though 9 planets were in our solar system, our star was the only one with planets. Logically it just doesn't make sense. Half the people in this forum are still in the 1990's.
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Message 1814093 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 7:40:59 UTC - in response to Message 1813506.  

虽然不是很明白,但还是激动了一下。
I'm sure that many of you have seen the news reports of a "SETI signal" detected from the star HD 164595

I was one of the many people who received the the email with the subject "Candidate SETI SIGNAL DETECTED by Russians from star HD 164595 by virtue of RATAN-600 radio telescope." Since the email did come from known SETI researchers, I looked over the presentation. I was unimpressed. In one out of 39 scans that passed over star showed a signal at about 4.5 times the mean noise power with a profile somewhat like the beam profile. Of course SETI@home has seen millions of potential signals with similar characteristics, but it takes more than that to make a good candidate. Multiple detections are a minimum criterion.

Because the receivers used were making broad band measurements, there's really nothing about this "signal" that would distinguish it from a natural radio transient (stellar flare, active galactic nucleus, microlensing of a background source, etc.) There's also nothing that could distinguish it from a satellite passing through the telescope field of view. All in all, it's relatively uninteresting from a SETI standpoint.

But, of course, it's been announced to the media. Reporters won't have the background to know it's not interesting. Because the media has it, and since this business runs on media, everyone will look at it. ATA is looking at it. I assume Breakthrough will look at it. Someone will look at it with Arecibo, and we'll be along for the ride. And I'll check the SETI@home database around that position. And we'll all find nothing. It's not our first time at this rodeo, so we know how it works.
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Message 1814180 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 22:19:04 UTC

Well, that didn't take long;

Alien signal detected by Russian astrophysicists turns out to be terrestrial disturbance
Science & Space
August 30, 18:27

"We, indeed, discovered an unusual signal. However, an additional check showed that it was emanating from a Soviet military satellite, which had not been entered into any of the catalogs of celestial bodies," Ipatov said.

Of course, now people will just say 'cover-up'.
Maybe next time.
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Message 1814184 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 22:33:54 UTC - in response to Message 1814180.  

The signal described in the article, as being from a particular satellite, was reported to have been received a number of years ago. It is not the signal received in May 2015. It is merely a reasonable supposition that the latter signal is due to 'terrestrial interference', not an ascertained fact.
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Message 1814201 - Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 23:57:25 UTC
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Of course, I still hold that we're about 10 million years late, the galaxy is already full.
They got here in '47 and 1. landing a living human on another solarsystem body and 2. getting an artifact beyond our solar system's boundry

were the 2 requirements to maintain some level of ownership of our planet and hopefully our solar system.
heh.
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Message 1814225 - Posted: 1 Sep 2016, 1:56:14 UTC - in response to Message 1814180.  

Almost all signals with that much of a peak are terrestrial based... I think looking for peaks is the issue with how the data is looked at.
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Message 1814229 - Posted: 1 Sep 2016, 2:22:25 UTC

I have never posted on here, and I am not a scientist. While I have contributed cpu to SETI and other BOINC projects since 2003, I simply see it as aiding the scientific community. Having said that, I have read these boards and think that the SETI community should use this recent press in a positive way. One poster mentions using it to increase funding, which may or may not happen. However, I would encourage the scientific community to use the event to aid in TEACHING science to the masses. Let them know that it is unlikely and why, but, more importantly, encourage them to contribute computer power to BOINC projects as many of them aid humanity as a whole.
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Message 1814275 - Posted: 1 Sep 2016, 7:35:02 UTC - in response to Message 1814229.  

However, I would encourage the scientific community to use the event to aid in TEACHING science to the masses. Let them know that it is unlikely and why, but, more importantly, encourage them to contribute computer power to BOINC projects as many of them aid humanity as a whole.

+1
Very wise approach to this event IMHO.
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