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Message 1807878 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 5:59:09 UTC

Many have been commenting on the Police issues in the States. Think some of those commenters should look closer to home.

Despicable!

What's the feeble excuse for this?
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Message 1807881 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 6:22:23 UTC - in response to Message 1807878.  
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Many have been commenting on the Police issues in the States. Think some of those commenters should look closer to home.

Despicable!

What's the feeble excuse for this?

A Royal Commission is already being setup to investigate this, and it's not the police that is involved (check your facts 1st Sirius), but a certain security firm that contracts to run these correctional centres (though this particular kid is a problem in himself).

The firm is also UK based and has had several name changes over the years (I don't exactly know what name they currently operate under over here), but I'm sure that you know exactly who I'm talking about Sirius as they also screw up over there as well as in many other countries around the world. ;-)

So you better look to the policies of a company closer to home to place the blame.

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Message 1807882 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 6:29:57 UTC - in response to Message 1807881.  

Made no reference to Aussie police, however I can now see the inference.

DOES it matter what organisation it is?

As for the Royal Commission, did they have one in 1991 making 339 recommendations with hardly any of them being implemented?

So that kid is a problem? Does it justify what is being seen?

Were they trained at Gitmo by any chance?
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Message 1807886 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 6:42:55 UTC

Many have been commenting on the Police issues in the States. Think some of those commenters should look closer to home.

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Made no reference to Aussie police, however I can now see the inference.

Make up your mind Sirius.

As to where they're trained then you better ask G4S (or whatever other name they operate, or have operated, under), you should be able to walk into their head office over there and find out for yourself quicker than I can. ;-)

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Message 1807887 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 6:49:56 UTC - in response to Message 1807878.  

Many have been commenting on the Police issues in the States. Think some of those commenters should look closer to home.

Despicable!

What's the feeble excuse for this?

Everybody but us. Har!
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Message 1807888 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 7:00:01 UTC - in response to Message 1807886.  

So rather than agree that's it's despicable, hit me & G4S.

It doesn't bother me in the least, but will that Royal Commission be like the UK's inquiries?

"Justice Lowell Goddard was on a salary of £360,000, an annual rental allowance of £110,000 and £12,000 a year to cover utilities. Panel members will each receive £565 a day."

UK Child Abuse Inquiry

As an Aussie, do you think it's right that these issues have been ongoing since 1991 & more than likely earlier with hardly any change?

Do you think it's right for civilian or government prison officers should act like gestapo?

That 1st photo looks like something out of the early days of Crime & Punishment magazine depicting someone set up for the electric chair/lethal injection.

What an image!
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Message 1807892 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 7:28:58 UTC
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60% into the 2nd decade of the 21st century & it seems that civil right issues worsening not improving. Here's some info from 4 years ago...

"Providing transport and security for prisons is a sensitive matter. Nevertheless, both the Department of Finance and Deregulation in Canberra and the government of Victoria are apparently not bothering with any review of G4S's contracts, or its competence."

G4S in Australia

...must be some very good brown envelopes being distributed!

Is your local & national government that blind to warning signals?

Edit: As it's a private British company, ARE the prison officers ex-pats or upstanding Aussie citizens?
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Message 1807893 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 7:40:53 UTC - in response to Message 1807888.  

So rather than agree that's it's despicable, hit me & G4S.

It doesn't bother me in the least, but will that Royal Commission be like the UK's inquiries?

"Justice Lowell Goddard was on a salary of £360,000, an annual rental allowance of £110,000 and £12,000 a year to cover utilities. Panel members will each receive £565 a day."

UK Child Abuse Inquiry

As an Aussie, do you think it's right that these issues have been ongoing since 1991 & more than likely earlier with hardly any change?

Do you think it's right for civilian or government prison officers should act like gestapo?

That 1st photo looks like something out of the early days of Crime & Punishment magazine depicting someone set up for the electric chair/lethal injection.

What an image!

Actually this is despicable for any type of orginisation anywhere Sirius and just 1 in a long list of ever increasing occurrences by this 1 company around the world (not just here).

Hopefully this Royal Commission will lead to all the current contracts of this particular company here being cancelled without penalties (the biggest reason they have not yet been) and then prosecuting the hell out of them.

You maybe stirred up about this now, but we've been spewing about it for 2 weeks now and mostly because the federal government only wants to investigate their contract for juvenile detention in the N.T. and not all of the company's contracts (they likely won't get their way though with a hostile senate).

BTW, isn't G4S run by ex-Brit soldiers that did time long ago in the Middle East? Maybe that's where this behaviour came from?

Yes it's an imagine that should never have happened to be photographed in the 1st place.

As for your "Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse" your at least 2 years behind us there and there are already plenty are behind bars because of ours here. ;-)

I'm sorry that you opened a can of worms that leads back home Sirius, but you really should've done a little bit of homework there 1st before flapping your gums.

Yes we still do a few problems to sort out, but nothing like what we see elsewhere around the world, though we will get them sorted without the "pussy footing" about.

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Message 1807895 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 7:51:57 UTC - in response to Message 1807893.  

Flapping my gums? Really?

WHY hasn't the recommendations from the Royal Commission in 1991 been implemented?

That article from the Sydney Morning Herald funnily enough coincides with what was brought up here on this forum then regarding G4S & the Olympics.

ALL the warning signs were there for your local & national government so WHY are images like that being seen?
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Message 1807900 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 8:57:03 UTC

Ok, the Royal Commission in 1991 was about "Aboriginal Deaths in Custody" and well before any privatisation of any correctional or detention facilities ever happened, they were run by either State or Federal officers.

But you should know by now that big international private contracting companies will do anything these days that they think that they can get away with regardless of whatever country they operate in or their laws.

From what I can gather their contracts here began in around 2008 and by 2014 the 1st cases of the abuses by this company started coming to light and they have steadily grown in the last 18 months, but all the State and Federal Governments have done so far is basically slapped them on the wrist.

The voice of the people here this time has finally forced the Federal government into a Royal Commission so no more "wrist slapping" will be going on this time (probably because of their contracts).

We can argue about this all night Sirius, but in the end, what you've called "Australia's Shame" goes much further abroad than you think.

Personally I hope that the final outcome breaks this particular company enough so that it can be finally buried (with its moral standards it certainly needs to be).

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Message 1807904 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 9:18:46 UTC - in response to Message 1807900.  

Personally I hope that the final outcome breaks this particular company enough so that it can be finally buried (with its moral standards it certainly needs to be).

Cheers.

That makes 2 of us at least. Have to agree that the problem is near enough worldwide.

Police, Courts, Prison Service, they're all part of the law & order establishment.

I can't answer for the other countries where they operate but G4S issues commenced in 2008 in Australia & their issues came to light big time here in 2011.

Surely, worldwide rumblings were heard? If not, that says a lot about our respective governments does it not?

Regardless of nationality, abuse of one's civil rights is worthy of comment is it not?

That 1st image stills bugs me...

...the restraints I can understand, but the hood?
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Message 1807913 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 9:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 1807900.  

We can argue about this all night Sirius, but in the end, what you've called "Australia's Shame" goes much further abroad than you think.

Didn't you start a thread, now in its 3rd incarnation regarding police brutality?

Jesus Christ, how brutal is this?

"Under its previous corporate guise as GSL, a prison van operated by this firm in Australia was transporting a 46-year-old Aboriginal elder from Western Australia in January 2008 when the man died.

The man, Mr Ward, died from heatstroke and dehydration as a result of being locked in the metal pod without air-conditioning or water on the four-hour journey between detention facilities in summer."

Forget about G4S:

It's an Australian Prison is it not?
It's on Australian land is it not?
The Australian Government granted the contract did it not?

No Checks & Balances in place?

Between the incidents there in 2008 up to our own big cock-up in 2011? Shouldn't that have made those in power start asking serious questions?

Or like every where else, $$$$$ mattered 1st?
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Message 1807955 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 15:30:44 UTC

My but the hits just keep coming today.

Indigenous dads respond to 'racist' cartoon in Australia

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37006692

Maybe you blokes down there need to look in the mirror.

So much for all your moral high ground posts. Har!

Do as I say, not as I do.


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Message 1807958 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 15:55:15 UTC
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Canada's Shame.

When this sort of issue came up in Canada people
went all out to look good over the issue.
Great pronouncements were made, money was allocated,
and promises were made to change all the laws. The sound
of the words have passed, the money is still unspent,
and laws are no good if they are not followed.
Good luck Australia, this is gonna take a while for you.
I will offer that some people seem to revel in the pain of
others....

I am unable to teach the unworthy,
the uninspired, or the unwilling!


edit:
Just because I am wrong does not mean you are right....
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Message 1807970 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 17:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 1807958.  

I will offer that some people seem to revel in the pain of
others.

I certainly do not.

I do find it funny when instead of a serious issue getting a reasonable reply to a statement, get some hits :-)

Well, lets look at those hits: -

1: closer to home - I believe I've hit on the UK for approx. the same length of time as hitting on the EU, approx. 5 years at least.

2: G4S is a British company - Incorrect. Up till 2004 Group 4 was a Danish/Swedish company. It became a 3rd part British in 2004.

3: Hitting on the Yanks re Guns - Could not understand why an individual would want so many. J Mercer provided for me anyway, some reasonable & well explained answers.

What I find on Net forums is too many can dish it out but not take it in return.

For me, it is not about nationality bashing to score points or to increase a post count, it's about treating others as you would wish to be treated yourself.

That hood still bugs me. A hood such as that & in that manner impedes one's hearing, one's vision & more importantly one's breathing.

Sensory deprivation is torture.

Company/Government policy side, don't the prison staff have any humanity?

The strong image that photo & hits shows me this: -

I was only obeying G4S Der Fuhrer's orders. That feeble excuse went down like a lead balloon at Nuremburg!

Apologies for bringing up Godwin's Law but that's how strong that image is to me.

Now let's look ahead : - That teenager gets released & still traumatised, what is to prevent him getting hold of a weapon & doing a Dallas in Australia. Fair enough he'll end up dead but how many others go down with him?
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Message 1807976 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 17:46:25 UTC - in response to Message 1807970.  

I certainly do not.


Sorry Sirius, I should not have been so imprecise.

I am unable to teach the unworthy,
the uninspired, or the unwilling!

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Message 1808027 - Posted: 8 Aug 2016, 21:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 1807976.  

No need to apologise, I knew what you meant. That comment can be equally applied from top to bottom. :-)
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Message 1808487 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016, 12:20:03 UTC - in response to Message 1807955.  
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My but the hits just keep coming today.



Indigenous dads respond to 'racist' cartoon in Australia

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37006692

Maybe you blokes down there need to look in the mirror.

So much for all your moral high ground posts. Har!


Do as I say, not as I do.


For starters the chair the boy was put in was invented in America is made in America and used in American Jails sold and promoted by America .

And before you yanks criticize us you should look in your own backyard at your own juvenile jails .

MM I watched a story on 60 minutes only a week ago and it was all about the American Adoption . You American criticize us for what is going on in the N.T but yet in your country when a adoption child gets awarded to a family if it doesn't work out you go on the internet and parade theses children to rich perspective parents and then just sign over the child to the new parents .

There is No checks to see if the new parents are even fit to be parents . No police checks to see if they have been convicted of child abuse , crime . No checks to see if they can actually afford to have a child or anything .

As a conciquence of your policy many of the children have ended up in the hands of peidofiles and child abusers .

And the people that run the websites for people to rehome adopted children give no thought to how humiliating it is to praide these kids in front of people that are not genuinue . Theses kids have this happen many times .

I and the reporter was totally shocked how theses poor kids are treated and to think they are not kids that have done a CRIME like the ones in the N.T jail. These kids are not violent , they don't take drugs or steal .

However I can understand why many will end up in a jail after the way they are treated .

Sirus G4S also run the offshore detention at Naru so I am not surprised at all . And who gave G4s the contracts in the first place mmmmmm wouldn't be the Right wing Liberals would it under John Howard and then renewed buy the current Liberals .

And how nice is it that it's the Liberal party that is now promoting the American Adoption way .

Most Australians are slowly waking up and give it 12 more months and we will be having new elections after all you can't run a government with a 1 seat majority and even less control of the Senate than he had before the election.Not bad Turnbull to lose 20 seats in the lower house and 5 more in the senate was a real good call to have a double diss . ...NOT ,hehehehe

So to finish this little rant Most Australians are ashamed at what has happened and glad that this sort of stuff has finally come out Turnbull enjoy the lodge while you can after the N.t crap and the bungle on census day 2 days ago you ant going to be in the lodge for long .

And J.Mercer look at your own country first at least we will change things you lot don't . Why ? ..... Our constitution says blah , blah , blah and we have the right do what ever we wont as our government can't tell us what to do , bull crap bull crap , bull crap . I guess you have the right to really badly abuse innocent kids too then !!!!!!!!

P.S : I forgot to add that's it legal in America to rehome adopted kids they way it is being done . So you Yanks have no morals at all and no excuse as to why it's allowed to continue ... looks like you got egg on face again America
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Message 1808496 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016, 12:57:17 UTC

And Just so the whole seti world can see Americas shame here is the link to the 60 minutes story it's called UNWANTED

http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/
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Message 1808535 - Posted: 11 Aug 2016, 15:38:49 UTC - in response to Message 1808487.  

So that chair was manufactured in America, WAS it American prison officers who put him in it?
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