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History tends to teach us some pretty harsh lessons.

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History tends to teach us some pretty harsh lessons.

To only those that pay attention and listen.

History is written/rewrtitten by the victors.

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My point is that regardless of reason or cause, if one starts removing monuments, then all monuments that glorify war should be removed.

Only glorification of war? Is that the only thing you see when you mentioned the Vietnam Wall being removed?

I believe most Americans see the Vietnam wall as a stinging rebuke of war. Anti-glorification. Why is it the best "war memorial" built on the planet.

The monument the OP posts about, or the part disliked, is not so much about the glorification of war but glorifying the reason for the war. It is seen by many the same as statues Himmler, Göring, Eichmann, Mengele and Goebbels would be seen in a public square in Europe. A glorification of the Third Reich. It is seen as a glorification of the pro-slave confederacy.

The reality is it should have not been installed on public land. But it is now there. The question of what to do with it will come up each generation and tax money has to be spent on it to maintain it.

If it can be worked into a history exhibit where its prominence is not greater in relation to the rest of the exhibit, fine. That may mean making it a lot shorter. If it can't then perhaps the people who support it should donate land and perpetual care funds for it.

I don't think taxpayer money should be supporting it at present.

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The Confederate monument in Louisville:

It is seen as a glorification of the pro-slave confederacy.

The reality is it should have not been installed on public land. But it is now there. The question of what to do with it will come up each generation and tax money has to be spent on it to maintain it.

If it can be worked into a history exhibit where its prominence is not greater in relation to the rest of the exhibit, fine. That may mean making it a lot shorter. If it can't then perhaps the people who support it should donate land and perpetual care funds for it.

I don't think taxpayer money should be supporting it at present.

Yes, I think the towering height of this particular monument in relation to what is around it could cause some people to think the city or the University is "glorifying" the Confederate times. It is in a very prominent place, near the main entrance to the University of Louisville.

My point again, though, is some good effort has been made to balance things by adding Civil Rights memorials in the park where the monument sits. If the removal process goes ahead, the monument may end up in a much more singular place.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

OK, the world sees the US civil wars as being only about slavery. But it wasn't. Yes, slavery was the biggest issue but not the only one. Only 6% of whites in the south owned slaves. Do you really think that all the white non slave owners who fought and died for the south did so to preserve slavery? In the early days of the USA most citizens felt loyalty to their state above loyalty to the country. Even Robert E. Lee wasn't a strong supporter of slavery and if Virginia had stayed in the Union he would have been the northern commanding general. The people of the south have as much a right to honor their heritage as much as any other descendants of a lost cause. Maybe some monuments to certain southern leaders are inappropriate just as are monuments to many other less than honorable leaders elsewhere and as in most cases overwhelming public sentiment will determine who deserves a statue and who doesn't.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Bob i don't agree with you.

It's obvious that 1% of the top 1%, in income, now control American politics.
You say that only 6% of southerner white folk owned slaves.
That makes the probability of the American Civil War being just about slavery,
at least, 600 times greater than any other reason.

If you have evidence of other reasons for the War then please elucidate them.

Root causes of American Civil War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War#Root_causes

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Losing a war has consequences...

I am unable to teach the unworthy,
the uninspired, or the unwilling!

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Erasing history is a basic necessity in the fundamental transformation of this country into another failed communist nation. Besides, it'll be confusing to the school children if their town centers don't match their latest history school books.

Hey Guy, how's it hanging?

Did you try that trick i told you about?
You know, about dangling thin-wire conductors off the end of your shortwave antenna to ground, to scare earth worms to the surface.
What are you charging for a Dozen worms?

Just imagine what you could charge for a Dozen if the currency resets.
I'm guessing a Billion TrumpPence per Dozen.

My point is that regardless of reason or cause, if one starts removing monuments, then all monuments that glorify war should be removed.

Only glorification of war? Is that the only thing you see when you mentioned the Vietnam Wall being removed?

I believe most Americans see the Vietnam wall as a stinging rebuke of war. Anti-glorification. Why is it the best "war memorial" built on the planet.

The monument the OP posts about, or the part disliked, is not so much about the glorification of war but glorifying the reason for the war. It is seen by many the same as statues Himmler, Göring, Eichmann, Mengele and Goebbels would be seen in a public square in Europe. A glorification of the Third Reich. It is seen as a glorification of the pro-slave confederacy.

The reality is it should have not been installed on public land. But it is now there. The question of what to do with it will come up each generation and tax money has to be spent on it to maintain it.

If it can be worked into a history exhibit where its prominence is not greater in relation to the rest of the exhibit, fine. That may mean making it a lot shorter. If it can't then perhaps the people who support it should donate land and perpetual care funds for it.

I don't think taxpayer money should be supporting it at present.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Erasing history is a basic necessity in the fundamental transformation of this country into another failed communist nation. Besides, it'll be confusing to the school children if their town centers don't match their latest history school books.

Too funny that Mr "--" would post to a thread about erasing history.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Erasing history is a basic necessity in the fundamental transformation of this country into another failed communist nation. Besides, it'll be confusing to the school children if their town centers don't match their latest history school books.

Too funny that Mr "--" would post to a thread about erasing history.

+ a large but finite number

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Erasing history is a basic necessity in the fundamental transformation of this country into another failed communist nation. Besides, it'll be confusing to the school children if their town centers don't match their latest history school books.

Too funny that Mr "--" would post to a thread about erasing history.

Isn't it just?

I'm just ROTFLMFAO!!!!! :-D

Thanks for such a good laugh Guy. ;-)

Cheers.

Erasing history is a basic necessity in the fundamental transformation of this country into another failed communist nation. Besides, it'll be confusing to the school children if their town centers don't match their latest history school books.

Too funny that Mr "--" would post to a thread about erasing history.

Isn't it just?

I'm just ROTFLMFAO!!!!! :-D

Thanks for such a good laugh Guy. ;-)

Cheers.

Rather Orwellian, in fact.

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Erasing history is a basic necessity in the fundamental transformation of this country into another failed communist nation. Besides, it'll be confusing to the school children if their town centers don't match their latest history school books.

Too funny that Mr "--" would post to a thread about erasing history.

Isn't it just?

I'm just ROTFLMFAO!!!!! :-D

Thanks for such a good laugh Guy. ;-)

Cheers.

Rather Orwellian, in fact.

Yes.

'1984' should be required reading.

IngSoc doubleplus ungood.

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Y'all should come and pay a visit down here where I reside. We've seen it all, probably before you.

Declaration of interest: I am an alumnus of the University of Cape Town.

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There is a monument in my city that has stirred some controversy. It is a "Confederate Monument" which honors the dead soldiers from the Confederacy of the U.S. during the Civil War. Some say it should be taken away because of the relationship the Confederacy had with slavery. I feel that would be wrong because it would be taking away something that represents a historical period in the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Monument_in_Louisville

What do you think?

It could be moved. Say, the Creation Museum or the Ark Encounter?

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There is a monument in my city that has stirred some controversy. It is a "Confederate Monument" which honors the dead soldiers from the Confederacy of the U.S. during the Civil War. Some say it should be taken away because of the relationship the Confederacy had with slavery. I feel that would be wrong because it would be taking away something that represents a historical period in the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Monument_in_Louisville

What do you think?

It could be moved. Say, the Creation Museum or the Ark Encounter?

'Questionable' Historical monuments. As long as it is not on top, or in front of a Government building...

BTW: Which 'movement' and/or people decide?

Where, when The Right in in control. Do the Statues to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. go?

When Fundamentalist Muslims are in control of a City. Which Historical Monuments are they allowed to...

The USA is degenerating into a Primitive and Intolerant Secular Theology. Trumpeted by the Orwellian Left.

My previous comment was obviously sarcastic. However, rather than remove and destroy or hide a monument or something similar, such items CAN go to museums, etc. ... . Destroying or hiding these items is ... white-washing history.

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