Chips on shoulders are usually honest.

Another insult often thrown at women who have real grievances in order to shut us up. Maybe you don't mean it that way, maybe you do. We'll never know, so it's probably best you avoid using it in future if you don't want to be misjudged.

As to your defence of libertarianism, I've seen enough of your opinions and reactions to things to stand by mine.

We often agree on civil liberties, and often disagree on civil responsibilities.

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And (HOLY COW!).I agree with every word of that post........the apocalypse is upon us.

No, in the long term a Variables can change so who knows? Probably you are correct, but making that assertion is illogical.

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#3- The opinion that the vitriol directed against any President. Must be from a Racist position. Is incorrect.

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No Clyde, I pointed out that the vitriol directed against Obama was/is racist. You tell us you are not racist and don't support racism, yet how can you put a stop to it when you don't even see it when it's glaring you in the face?

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the vitriol directed against Obama was/is racist.

Seriously? Racist?

My problem with Obama is he is a liar, unmitigated coward and an imbecile. Stupidity doesn't have a race.

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the vitriol directed against Obama was/is racist.

Seriously? Racist?

My problem with Obama is he is a liar, unmitigated coward and an imbecile. Stupidity doesn't have a race.

Indeed it doesn't.

I can't remember if you were one of those convinced he was born in Kenya or not.

I do find it odd that you find it so easy to call a man who has proven his intelligence many times "stupid".

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My problem with Obama is he is a liar, unmitigated coward and an imbecile. Stupidity doesn't have a race.

Oh my gosh, c'mon. I don't believe that about any of the former Presidents I didn't like. If you get to the Oval Office, you're definitely not stupid.

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The best no-spin summary of the Clinton email situation I have read to date. It is well worth the read...

The Takeaways. The Players. The Timeline.

https://sharylattkisson.com/the-clearest-no-spin-summary-of-fbi-report-on-hillary-clinton-email/

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When you tell the people 'You can keep your doctor and plan' and 'families will save $2,500 a year on healthcare' while knowing that would not be the case, you're a liar.

When you draw a 'Red Line' with a foreign head of state then say and do nothing when they keep using nerve gas on women and children, you're an unmitigated coward.

When you entrust top secret documents to email in a server you know is not authorized by the security professionals in your own government(but again lie and say you don't know), you are an imbecile.

If the shoe fits, walk a mile in it.

If you get to the Oval Office, you're definitely not stupid.

If you get there through lies, deceit, and promises you have no intention of keeping and then history sees through you, yes you are. Obama's legacy will not be what he intends it to be.

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The best no-spin summary of the Clinton email situation I have read to date. It is well worth the read...

The Takeaways. The Players. The Timeline.

https://sharylattkisson.com/the-clearest-no-spin-summary-of-fbi-report-on-hillary-clinton-email/

Thanks for the link. Good information. Well organized.
Some of the comments were very insightful as well.
I put that one on my read-it-again list.

Chips on shoulders are usually honest.

Another insult often thrown at women who have real grievances in order to shut us up. Maybe you don't mean it that way, maybe you do. We'll never know, so it's probably best you avoid using it in future if you don't want to be misjudged.

Perhaps American use of that phrase doesn't match British and/or Canadian use of the phrase. Google seems to come up with many different definitions.

As to your defence of libertarianism, I've seen enough of your opinions and reactions to things to stand by mine.

Defense?

We often agree on civil liberties, and often disagree on civil responsibilities.

Yes, it is obvious you believe that every person must expend every resource they have to make every individual fat and happy at the point of a government gun. Statism or collectivism?

In any case it appears as if you believe the individual can't make decisions for themselves, some greater authority must make decisions for them. Conservatives also believe this, but their greater authority they call God.

This is the root of our difference. I don't believe lives should be planned by others. I don't expect you to change. I'm sure you believe it with all the conviction that a conservative believes in God.

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If you get to the Oval Office, you're definitely not stupid.

If you get there through lies, deceit, and promises you have no intention of keeping and then history sees through you, yes you are. Obama's legacy will not be what he intends it to be.

I just don't see any former President in such a negative light. Even though I may not have liked them, I still respected their service and how they got to the highest office.

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Clyde provides an example. If you don't hook line and sinker profess all left points, he calls you a righty. If you don't hook line and sinker profess all right points he calls you a lefty. He can't see a center or a direction up or down.

Gary...

The problem, as I described a few posts back is this:

The artificial and incorrect horizontal difference between Left and Right. Makes it very difficult, using that reference, to describe their similarities.

Both have similar beliefs regarding their Right to Control. Nothing more, nothing less.

Therefore... Describing a "lefty" as a "righty", or vise a versa, is correct. Their differences are not truly important. Their Foundation is the same.

Perhaps you are trying to say that a square for the political chart in not correct and it should be a triangle? Left on one side of the base and right on the other, libertarian at the top? Single dimensional scale drawn from the top vertex to the center of the base running from anarchy to statism?

Or to use this analogy. Describing Christian's and Muslim's as both God believers. Is correct. Their differences, to this Atheist, are not truly important. Their Foundation is the same.

But they are identical, they both pray to the God of Abraham as do the Jews. Now if you had said Shintoism and Christians ...

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Perhaps American use of that phrase doesn't match British and/or Canadian use of the phrase. Google seems to come up with many different definitions.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/11/against-sexism-hate-men/

I am sure it gets tiresome to you all because I keep spoiling your fun by pointing out sexism.

We'll it is tiresome to me too, but because of the massive gender imbalance on these forums, if I don't do it, no one else is going to. Does that mean I have a chip on my shoulder, or does it mean that I am doing my best to bring some balance to the debate? The way you chose to frame it says more about you than it does about me.

I am righteously angry about the disgusting level of sexism that has been shown during this election. That you aren't, tells me we still have a long way to go. At least half of the people here don't even see it, just the same way they can't see the racism against Obama.

So as one of the few people here who sees that the emperor has no clothes I'm going to keep pointing it out until you can't help but see it. If anyone else wants to take over and give me a break, go ahead.

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[quote]Kong, you can't go back and start quoting from the federalist papers, especially in these forums. Those words were written by old white men with wigs, wooden teeth and owned slaves; therefore, they are no longer relevant. Besides, today's liberal no longer follows the intent of the law. Today's liberal only goes by the letter of the law. Today's liberal bends the letter of the law because in their minds, words change meanings based on what they think they need to force on everybody else today. And in many cases, just ignores the letter of the law if she's been in a position of authority before and/or if she's on the verge of being placed in another position of authority......
Finally starting to see things that I've been telling you for years now Guy? :-O

Cheers.

(I'm going to regret the amount of work I'm going to have to do to go up against 2 very articulate people... but the INTJ in me can't help himself)


You and Angela are talking up Hillary as if you are talking about Elizabeth Warren. I don't get it. I feel like I'm watching a totally different movie.

Just like I feel Mark & I are watching a totally different movie in regards to Trump.

We'll it is tiresome to me too, but because of the massive gender imbalance on these forums, if I don't do it, no one else is going to. Does that mean I have a chip on my shoulder

Yes, because it means you alone are spoiling for a fight, one you see you must engage in, which may come from your honest life experience.

If anyone else wants to take over and give me a break, go ahead.

Perhaps you are the only one who is spoiling for a fight. I think that makes that chip on your shoulder very personal to you.

I could easily see you using Barry Goldwater's words, “Extremism in defense of feminism is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of feminism is no virtue.”

I am righteously angry about the disgusting level of sexism that has been shown during this election. That you aren't, tells me we still have a long way to go.

Perhaps you should read my posts before you make unfounded accusations. I think my calling Drumpf a sex pervert and my call for him to be registered as a sex offender should tell you I'm disgusted by it and him and his kind, but of course that doesn't fit into your world view, or that chip on your shoulder won't let you see it.

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I am sure it gets tiresome to you all because I keep spoiling your fun by pointing out sexism.

I don't.
Take politics for instance.
Society judges women political leaders harder than male.
And often overlook mistakes men commit. When women commit the same type of mistakes it will come to a head and you have seen several examples where women ministers had to resign.
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There has been some "scandals" here over the years and almost everyone, I think, has resulted to that a woman have to go.

Here we wonder, at very least some, why Hillary is still a presidential candidate that many claims to be a felon.

Hillary Clinton is the least popular Democratic presidential candidate that the party has chosen.

Ever.

We're talking about the same Hillary Clinton who in December 2015 in a Gallup Poll for the 20th year, was elected as America's most admired woman, before the Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai, media mogul Oprah Winfrey and First Lady Michelle Obama.

What is it that has happened in the ten months?

From the popular to the hated - a change that took 10 months in opinion when it comes to Hillary Clinton.
Some claim it is the fact that she wants to be president, that one can admire a woman's struggle for a while - but not all the way to the White House ...
But Clinton's candidacy was known eight months before the Gallup survey.

Others argue that it is her email scandal that became her case. 33,000 deleted emails, which she claims was about weddings and baptisms and recipes and other "private" ...
But that Hillary Clinton used a private email server became widely known in March 2015.

In my travels around the United States, I have also been told that Clinton is a murderer, that she let the US ambassador and three security men killed in Benghazi in Libya, 2012. ...
But she was interrogated about that for eleven hours in October 2015.

Another common explanation is for the hatred of her husband - that Hillary Clinton let Bill Clinton both be unfaithful, and partly molesting three women ...
But all the charges against her husband became famous in the 90s, so it does not explain the turnaround.

(I'm going to regret the amount of work I'm going to have to do to go up against 2 very articulate people... but the INTJ in me can't help himself)


You and Angela are talking up Hillary as if you are talking about Elizabeth Warren. I don't get it. I feel like I'm watching a totally different movie.

Just like I feel Mark & I are watching a totally different movie in regards to Trump.

I would far prefer Elizabeth Warren, but I would also prefer the criticisms against Hilary were based in reality.

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I could easily see you using Barry Goldwater's words, “Extremism in defense of feminism is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of feminism is no virtue.”

Are you seriously suggesting I'm an extremist? Oh good grief. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Perhaps you should read my posts before you make unfounded accusations. I think my calling Drumpf a sex pervert and my call for him to be registered as a sex offender should tell you I'm disgusted by it and him and his kind, but of course that doesn't fit into your world view, or that chip on your shoulder won't let you see it.

You are the one with the chip on your shoulder if you thought that comment was about you.

You have a not so perfect, but highly competent women running against a hot mess who admits to sexually assaulting women and somehow it's a close race.

I've watched female news anchors get patronised and shut down, even told to 'shhh' by male republicans, right now Megyn Kelly is my new hero because of the crap she has put up with, and I don't even agree with her politics. Ive watched every misogynistic insult get hurled at Hilary. I've watched old white men twist and turn trying to justify Trump's behaviour as normal. I've seen crowds chanting "lock her up" even though she's not been found guilty of anything and no one seems to think this is terrifying and appalling. I think they down play it because she's a woman and there must be something bad about her just because she isn't playing to traditional gender roles. Just the way you intimate that I'm an extremist with a chip on my shoulder because I don't either.

I think the endless pointless investigations against her about Benghazi were a form of intimidation and harassment designed to shut her down. They've even admitted it. I think the fact that she is held responsible for her husbands behaviour is sexist. It harks from a time when women were their husbands property and were supposed to think as they did.

I could go on, but all this election has done is shone a light on just far we need to go to achieve equality. These things might not effect you, but they are very real to me.

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