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Message 1828365 - Posted: 4 Nov 2016, 23:30:29 UTC

“There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”

I made the mistake of using my brain again :(
Bad habit. I know.

I still keep seeing tons of smart people claiming that Hillary is somehow being "wrongfully victimized". And that could well have been true if it was only Fox News types making allegations but it's not. Hell, even Obama did a pretty good job of ripping her to shreds 8 years ago (and went on to do nothing about it... or change America really... and now the 2 are best buds... but that's another story).

So anyway, I'm thinking: "You're a dude... maybe you are biased. What do female millenials have to say?". So I asked Bing.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=young+female+voters+bernie+or+hillary

And I click on the first link which (for me) is the NYT's "Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright Rebuke Young Women Backing Bernie Sanders".

...where there's another pearl of wisdom:
“When you’re young, you’re thinking: ‘Where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie,’ ” Ms. Steinem said.
May I say - without pride or prejudice - this lady must have an IQ of a radish.

As the Greeks say:
"Show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are"
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Message 1828382 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 0:45:14 UTC - in response to Message 1828365.  

“There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”

I made the mistake of using my brain again :(
Bad habit. I know.

I still keep seeing tons of smart people claiming that Hillary is somehow being "wrongfully victimized". And that could well have been true if it was only Fox News types making allegations but it's not. Hell, even Obama did a pretty good job of ripping her to shreds 8 years ago (and went on to do nothing about it... or change America really... and now the 2 are best buds... but that's another story).

So anyway, I'm thinking: "You're a dude... maybe you are biased. What do female millenials have to say?". So I asked Bing.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=young+female+voters+bernie+or+hillary

And I click on the first link which (for me) is the NYT's "Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright Rebuke Young Women Backing Bernie Sanders".

...where there's another pearl of wisdom:
“When you’re young, you’re thinking: ‘Where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie,’ ” Ms. Steinem said.
May I say - without pride or prejudice - this lady must have an IQ of a radish.

As the Greeks say:
"Show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are"

Gloria may well say the same of you if she were to ever read your post. Why can only Fox victimize Clinton? How did Obama rip Clinton to shreds in 2008? When did Bing become the way to establish the views of millenials? When did Steinem and Albright become the spokespeople for millenials?

On the plus side, you did recognize you are biased.

As for the "quote", seems more likely to be biblical, perhaps a play on Proverbs "Walk with the wise and become wise".
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1828390 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 1:12:16 UTC

This is funny... CNN now projects Clinton will not win in the Electoral College... Her projected 268 Electoral votes is two votes too few.

Can you say 'It might go to the US House of Representatives'??? (for only the third time in our history).

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/04/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-november-4-duplicate/index.html

Clinton 268, Trump 204...

Previous to today, they had Clinton projected to get >270....
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1828391 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 1:20:09 UTC

Oh. And another random thought...

That harebrained idea of open borders? The one championed by Hillary types in pretty much every western country with a large population? The one so badly needed to fuel the Ponzi scheme of taking a population's retirement-contribution money, not actually save it, pretend it's OK to spend it on other stuff and then go "oops. we need more people."

Oh I understand why the psychopaths think this is a fantastic idea.

I also understand why the "politically correct" crowd falls for this con.

What I don't understand is the "WinterKnights".

How can someone with above-average intelligence AND a technical background fall for this scam? Why enable the psychopaths?

Pascal's (very simple) Law

Until you can source that extra workforce you need (to feed the Ponzi scheme you've got going) from outside the pale blue dot... you're going to be stealing it from countries that are faaar worse off than your own.

(betreger, please proof that for me I wanna see if I'm missing something)
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Message 1828394 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 1:31:00 UTC - in response to Message 1828391.  

As long as one believe in unlimited growth it may work, however with limited resources that is questionable.
As an aside whoever wins will be a one term president due to a recession caused by external forces.
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Message 1828396 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 1:33:36 UTC - in response to Message 1828390.  

This is funny... CNN now projects Clinton will not win in the Electoral College...
Can you say 'It might go to the US House of Representatives'???...
Clinton 268, Trump 204...


This has got the Libertarians peeing their pants with excitement.

Bill Weld speaks in Boston tomorrow. I bet he has a thing or two to add to that news.

Libertarian Flashmobs are forming all over the country for the next 3 days. I've had 4 invites just today, 2 yesterday.
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Message 1828398 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 1:43:39 UTC - in response to Message 1828382.  

1. Boy are you barking up the wrong tree.

2. I wanted to (quickly) check if female millenials support Hillary. Link says 2 out of 3 would rather go for Bernie.

3. We're all biased.

4. Apologies for insulting your friend "Gloria" but when I say something as dumb as, "all the jocks are at Sanders' rallies and all the girls that go there, go there to get laid" then shoot me. I've gone senile.

5. Let me google that for you
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Message 1828408 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 2:34:32 UTC - in response to Message 1828396.  

This is funny... CNN now projects Clinton will not win in the Electoral College...
Can you say 'It might go to the US House of Representatives'???...
Clinton 268, Trump 204...


This has got the Libertarians peeing their pants with excitement.


We Libertarians don't stand a chance. All we're doing is taking votes away from the two major parties, but we won't win.

(Oh wait, The CLYDE has placed me in the lefty liberal camp.)
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Message 1828425 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 3:58:20 UTC - in response to Message 1828408.  


We Libertarians don't stand a chance. All we're doing is taking votes away from the two major parties, but we won't win.


And it is thinking like that that means we won't win...

Remember, take enough votes away from the Ds and Rs... presto.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1828428 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 4:06:06 UTC - in response to Message 1828408.  



This has got the Libertarians peeing their pants with excitement.


We Libertarians don't stand a chance. All we're doing is taking votes away from the two major parties, but we won't win.
(Oh wait, The CLYDE has placed me in the lefty liberal camp.)


1. The "chance" that I'm excited about (enough to pee a little), is the possibility of getting 5%. The indication that DemReps are having such problems could mean Librts get 5%.
That would get us equal footing for future Fed matching funds and allow money to be spent on campaigns early on instead of ballot access petitions in many states.
2. Funny how the brainwashing continues to spread the infectious idea that a vote for Libertarian party principles is taking a vote "away" from someone.
3. Fact is: most people have no real clue what Libertarians believe or why. (the "why" is as important as the "what")
They still see only right and left, refusing to realize there is also authoritarian and Libertarian.
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Message 1828434 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 4:33:19 UTC - in response to Message 1828428.  

They still see only right and left, refusing to realize there is also authoritarian and Libertarian.

Ah, you describe Clyde to a T.
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Message 1828442 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 5:24:30 UTC - in response to Message 1828428.  
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2. Funny how the brainwashing continues to spread the infectious idea that a vote for Libertarian party principles is taking a vote "away" from someone.


Well that's an inflammatory statement if I've ever read one. I don't have my opinion because I am brainwashed, and to suggest so is insulting to my intelligence.

3. Fact is: most people have no real clue what Libertarians believe or why. (the "why" is as important as the "what")


You do a greater disservice by using inflammatory rhetoric. If you'd like to help people understand our party, best not to start with radically charged words or phrases suggesting or asserting everyone else needs to be "enlightened" in the proper way of thinking. Best to use sound reasoning and rationality instead of insults. The party will never be taken seriously if proponents sound like Jimmy Swaggart.
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Message 1828443 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 6:02:30 UTC - in response to Message 1828442.  

I thought your statement that "all we're doing is taking votes away from the two major parties" was a glaring example of what the general media and the DemReps want you to think.
I've been fighting against that perception for 36 years.
To read someone articulating that statement with the preface, "We Libertarians" was alarming enough to warrant my simple response.
Major Kong was much more judicious and gentler in his response.
I was not trying to insult you but to rather explain where I believe the sentiment comes from.
Further, I stated "MOST PEOPLE" don't know what Libertarians believe or why.
From my experiences in the world, that is true. Present company exempt.
I did not think my simple paragraph was the place to enumerate the Libertarian principles or to explain the reasoning behind each of them.

If you really think I have insulted you and you really think I sound like Jimmy Swaggart...
then you have misunderstood both my intent and my meaning.
Anyways, thanks for the help and advise.
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Message 1828446 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 6:24:06 UTC - in response to Message 1828391.  
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Oh. And another random thought...

That harebrained idea of open borders? The one championed by Hillary types in pretty much every western country with a large population? The one so badly needed to fuel the Ponzi scheme of taking a population's retirement-contribution money, not actually save it, pretend it's OK to spend it on other stuff and then go "oops. we need more people."

Oh I understand why the psychopaths think this is a fantastic idea.

I also understand why the "politically correct" crowd falls for this con.

What I don't understand is the "WinterKnights".

How can someone with above-average intelligence AND a technical background fall for this scam? Why enable the psychopaths?

Pascal's (very simple) Law

Until you can source that extra workforce you need (to feed the Ponzi scheme you've got going) from outside the pale blue dot... you're going to be stealing it from countries that are faaar worse off than your own.

(betreger, please proof that for me I wanna see if I'm missing something)


First the present governments do not spend the money collected on other things, it is the problem that previous governments in the early 1900's decided that the present generation of retirement benefits would be paid by the present generation of workers.
I and some others worked it out in late 1960's that it was likely that because we the baby boomers were a larger than average generation that come our retirement, there would be a good probability that the working population would be relatively small when the boomers reached retirement.

And guess what, it is, the only thing that stopped it being a total disaster is immigrants and their kids.

Could successive governments changed the system, so that a generation into it's own pot labeled retirement benefits for them. Possibly but would the people have accepted it, probably not. Because it would have meant that would have to pay twice once for the present day retired and for their own retired years.

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Might I add that to the governments of the early 1900's it didn't look like a bad idea. People worked over 50 years, from early teens till 65, and had very few years in retirement, if any, average life expectancy in 1910 was under 60 years. So the workers payments would have been small.
Nobody had the crystal ball that said there was to be an ever increasing number of scientific discoveries and life expectancy would go up to the present day 80+ years.
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Message 1828453 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 7:13:35 UTC - in response to Message 1828443.  

I thought your statement that "all we're doing is taking votes away from the two major parties" was a glaring example of what the general media and the DemReps want you to think.


I don't understand how this doesn't sound like a crackpot-ish thing to say. "You only think the way you do because that's what THEY want you to think!" You may as well just say "You're all just sheeple following your lame-stream media Overlords! Come, I'll show you the way!"

BTW - the DemReps can just as easily make the same argument about your (our?) positions, thus creating a zero-sum argument. That doesn't sound like a good start to me.
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Message 1828486 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 13:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 1828453.  

I thought your statement that "all we're doing is taking votes away from the two major parties" was a glaring example of what the general media and the DemReps want you to think.


I don't understand how this doesn't sound like a crackpot-ish thing to say. "You only think the way you do because that's what THEY want you to think!" You may as well just say "You're all just sheeple following your lame-stream media Overlords! Come, I'll show you the way!"

BTW - the DemReps can just as easily make the same argument about your (our?) positions, thus creating a zero-sum argument. That doesn't sound like a good start to me.



1. Why are you assigning my only plausable explanation of your original destructive statement on throwing votes away to positions of the party???
That is a convoluted arguement.
2. You are probably aware that it is NOT what was said by me.
You seem to be twisting in the wind. If you really do feel the need to continue rephrasing each sentence I write to make me "sound like Jimmy Swaggart", I'm glad you are entertained. It just seems so negative and dishonest to me.
3. Libertarian Party, "your (our?)" positions are voted upon and ammended in Convention.
...............

For others:
https://www.lp.org/platform/

Some of these positions will look familiar in parts to both Republican and Democrat.
Some points will be totally different than any in other parties.
Those points deserve more explanation and thoughtful consideration.
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Message 1828513 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 14:43:26 UTC - in response to Message 1828398.  

1. Boy are you barking up the wrong tree.

What's the right tree?

2. I wanted to (quickly) check if female millenials support Hillary. Link says 2 out of 3 would rather go for Bernie.

What link? Your previous post linked to bing, not to any specific article. Are you referring to the first result of the search or the last?

3. We're all biased.

Well done. I noted that it was a plus the first time you noted your own bias. Are you expecting extra credit for restating it in a different way?

4. Apologies for insulting your friend "Gloria" but when I say something as dumb as, "all the jocks are at Sanders' rallies and all the girls that go there, go there to get laid" then shoot me. I've gone senile.

Who said anything about "Gloria" being a friend? You made a post that was a series of statements of opinion, Steinem appeared on a TV show and provided her opinion. What makes your opinions any less dumb than Steinem's?

5. Let me google that for you

Why do you believe that the results of this search will help me understand what you meant? Are your thoughts at one with how Google ranks results for my searches?

There were four question in my previous response:

Why can only Fox victimize Clinton? How did Obama rip Clinton to shreds in 2008? When did Bing become the way to establish the views of millenials? When did Steinem and Albright become the spokespeople for millenials?


seems it took you 5 points in an attempt to answer one (via a request for me to do research). This is after you said you were "using your brain", thanks for clarifying why you termed that a "bad habit".
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1828515 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 14:50:49 UTC

With The Bottom (Toilet?). Populated with Marxists, Progressives, Socialists, Global Capitalists, NAZI's, KKK, and others who believe in the destruction of Tolerance and Individual Freedoms.


And the route sign on the 'road to the bottom'........



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Message 1828517 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 14:55:14 UTC - in response to Message 1828515.  

With The Bottom (Toilet?). Populated with Marxists, Progressives, Socialists, Global Capitalists, NAZI's, KKK, and others who believe in the destruction of Tolerance and Individual Freedoms.


And the route sign on the 'road to the bottom'........


The NAZI's and the KKK are the ones who've officially thrown their support behind Trump.

Also the Russians, only enough, who are working hard to get him elected.
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Message 1828518 - Posted: 5 Nov 2016, 15:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 1828516.  


We Libertarians don't stand a chance. All we're doing is taking votes away from the two major parties, but we won't win.


And it is thinking like that that means we won't win...

Remember, take enough votes away from the Ds and Rs... presto.

MajorKong...

And Johnson will be the next President?

Since The House must vote among the top three. Will they vote for an Non-Democrat/Republican?

More interesting is this possible scenario:

Hillary wins the Popular Vote. Her Elector's are just below the magic number of 270.

Who will The Republican House vote for?



Pretty good question. Do you think the house would vote for two popular former two-term Republican Govenors from Democratic states?
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