Tell me, how many fraudulent votes it would take to change the result in one state, like Pennsylvania? I'll make it easy, just pick a number from list below.

a. 400
b. 4,000
c, 40,000
d, 400,000

That depends... on which race and which state...

But one rather infamous result in recent years was the

2008 US Senate race in Minnesota... After TWO recounts, Al Franken won by 312 votes out of 2,887,646 votes cast, for a margin of victory of 0.0108%....

This election was of NATIONAL importance, because Franken's victory gave the Democrats a 60-40 lead in the Senate.

So yes, just a small amount of voter fraud can have significant effects on the Nation.

However you must assume, without any evidence, that all the "fraudulent" votes are cast the same. For the great majority of the uncovered persons their votes mirror the percentages of all the other votes cast. As such they have very little effect on the outcome.

BTW every time they counted those Florida ballots they had to sweep more chad off the floor. Those ballots were changing votes right in front of them. No recount could ever get the same count as a previous count. That is real fraud!

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Tell me, how many fraudulent votes it would take to change the result in one state, like Pennsylvania? I'll make it easy, just pick a number from list below.

a. 400
b. 4,000
c, 40,000
d, 400,000

That depends... on which race and which state...

But one rather infamous result in recent years was the

2008 US Senate race in Minnesota... After TWO recounts, Al Franken won by 312 votes out of 2,887,646 votes cast, for a margin of victory of 0.0108%....

This election was of NATIONAL importance, because Franken's victory gave the Democrats a 60-40 lead in the Senate.

So yes, just a small amount of voter fraud can have significant effects on the Nation.

However you must assume, without any evidence, that all the "fraudulent" votes are cast the same. For the great majority of the uncovered persons their votes mirror the percentages of all the other votes cast. As such they have very little effect on the outcome.

BTW every time they counted those Florida ballots they had to sweep more chad off the floor. Those ballots were changing votes right in front of them. No recount could ever get the same count as a previous count. That is real fraud!

Uhh... Gary, no not really. All you need is X number of fraudulent votes more for one side, than the other.

And... Just one county in Minnesota, for that election, charged 47 people for voter fraud.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman announced Tuesday that his office uncovered 47 cases of voter fraud stemming from the November 2008 general election

...

The 47 people charged or being charged include 43 cases involving felons and four cases of double voting.

http://www.twincities.com/2010/10/26/hennepin-co-charges-47-cases-of-voter-fraud/

Thats just 1 county... there are 86 OTHER counties in Minnesota.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Both sides are corrupt.

Yep. +1

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

I asked about one state because that is one of the states where Donald say's there is large voter fraud.

Answer the f***ing question.

And to answer your question about Minnesota. The lowest Voter numbers over the years for the Presidential election has bee just under 2,000,000. In this election year the closest the candidates have been together according to the average polls is about 2% and Clinton has always been in the lead.

Therefore the calculated number of votes to change the election would be about 40,000.

But Donald is shouting about "Democrats Cheating" and this would be about Trumpettes cheating.

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I asked about one state because that is one of the states where Donald say's there is large voter fraud.

Answer the f***ing question.

Why the interest in Pennsylvania? There is large-scale voter fraud going on EVERYWHERE in the USA.

Why are you even interested in the subject at all? Its not like you are even a US Citizen...

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

I asked about one state because that is one of the states where Donald say's there is large voter fraud.

Answer the f***ing question.

Why the interest in Pennsylvania? There is large-scale voter fraud going on EVERYWHERE in the USA.

Why are you even interested in the subject at all? Its not like you are even a US Citizen...

If you hadn't ever noticed the US Election and the outcome just about effects everybody on the planet.

Show proof of this large scale voter fraud in the Presidential election.

Republicans And Voter Fraud

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Major, read your article. It says they registered. It doesn't say they voted.

I'm sure you can find an election for dog catcher somewhere in the USA since 1776 where the margin was one vote. Best thing you can do is increase the voter turnout so those one vote margins go away!

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Tell me, how many fraudulent votes it would take to change the result in one state, like Pennsylvania? I'll make it easy, just pick a number from list below.

a. 400
b. 4,000
c, 40,000
d, 400,000

That depends... on which race and which state...

But one rather infamous result in recent years was the

2008 US Senate race in Minnesota... After TWO recounts, Al Franken won by 312 votes out of 2,887,646 votes cast, for a margin of victory of 0.0108%....

This election was of NATIONAL importance, because Franken's victory gave the Democrats a 60-40 lead in the Senate.

So yes, just a small amount of voter fraud can have significant effects on the Nation.

However you must assume, without any evidence, that all the "fraudulent" votes are cast the same. For the great majority of the uncovered persons their votes mirror the percentages of all the other votes cast. As such they have very little effect on the outcome.

BTW every time they counted those Florida ballots they had to sweep more chad off the floor. Those ballots were changing votes right in front of them. No recount could ever get the same count as a previous count. That is real fraud!

Uhh... Gary, no not really. All you need is X number of fraudulent votes more for one side, than the other.

And... Just one county in Minnesota, for that election, charged 47 people for voter fraud.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman announced Tuesday that his office uncovered 47 cases of voter fraud stemming from the November 2008 general election

...

The 47 people charged or being charged include 43 cases involving felons and four cases of double voting.

http://www.twincities.com/2010/10/26/hennepin-co-charges-47-cases-of-voter-fraud/

Thats just 1 county... there are 86 OTHER counties in Minnesota.

http://ceimn.org/files/Facts%20about%20Ineligible%20Voting%20and%20Voter%20Fraud%20in%20Minnesota_with%20appendix.pdf

Of Minnesota‟s 87 counties, we received a 81.6% response rate, which represented 93.3% of Minnesota‟s registered voters responded to the survey.

The counties reported a total of 1,581 investigations.

15% of the counties reported a total of 26 convictions thus far for fraud-based on felon-voting. The counties that reported convictions are:

Ramsey (12 cases); Hennepin (3 cases); Beltrami (2); Blue Earth (2); Todd (1);
Lake (1); Morrison (1); Martin (1); Mille Lacs (1); Red Lake (1): Polk (1).

An additional 12 cases of fraud were reported by Ramsey County. Those 12 cases were based on felons who registered to vote but who did not actually vote.

Seems in 2008 in Minnesota, after serving a sentence, parole and probation for a felony conviction a person could register to vote, and it was a crime to register while serving parole and/or probation, (voter fraud without actually voting). All 26 convictions noted above were for felons voting while serving parole/probation. There may have been further convictions for registering/voting while still serving parole/probation for a felony conviction, as not all investigations had been completed at the time of the report.

In Hennepin County's response to the survey, the answer to the question "Do you think fraud is a problem in the state?", the answer was "No".

In Dakota County's response to the survey, the answer to the question "Do you think voter fraud is a problem in your county", the answer was:

The majority of the cases that have been referred to our office involve convicted felons voting. During the investigation of these cases, many suspects indicated that they didn't know that they couldn't vote. Several suspects stated that they were told by an election judge that they could vote because their name was on the roster or that their probation officer never told them that they couldn't vote. In checking with Dakota County Community Corrections (Dakota County Probation), it was discovered that the discussion of voting rights was not routinely discussed with probationers. It appears that these suspects were not trying to commit any sort of fraud in voting. They were voting because they thought they could. None of the suspects tried to hide the fact that they voted or that they were convicted of felonies. They were forthright with law enforcement, probably because they didn't know they had done anything wrong. All of these individuals were notified in writing that they were ineligible to vote. They were notified that they could not vote in future elections until their civil rights were restored and they were advised that if they did so, they could be prosecuted.

Voting fraud is not a significant problem in this County or our state. If more time or effort were to be spent on this issue it seems that education may be the best place to start. This would include educating probation officers, convicted felons, and election judges.

(emphasis added)

Al Franken was re-elected in 2014 with over 53% of the vote (a majority of over 200,000 votes).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Why the interest in Pennsylvania? There is large-scale voter fraud going on EVERYWHERE in the USA.

Why are you even interested in the subject at all? Its not like you are even a US Citizen...

If you hadn't ever noticed the US Election and the outcome just about effects everybody on the planet.

Show proof of this large scale voter fraud in the Presidential election.

Republicans And Voter Fraud

You (like SO MANY others) are focused on the US Presidential election.

The 2016 election is about a great MANY individual races...

There are 34 seats out of 100 total seats in the US Senate up for election in 2016.
There are all 435 seats in the US House of Representatives up for election in 2016.
There are 12 States (out of 50) electing Governors in 2016.
There are 2 Territorial Governors up for election in 2016.
And, there are MANY MANY other State and Local officials (Executive, Legislative, AND Judicial) up for election in 2016.

As a non-US Citizen, you SHOULD be way more concerned with the US Senate races, since they control ratification of Treaties with other nations.

The US President? What a powerless prat of a figurehead jumped up bureaucrat.

The US Congress and the US Courts (primarily the US Supreme Court) REALLY 'run' the country. The ONLY thing the President can legally do on his/her own is issue pardons to criminals. EVERYTHING else the President does, he/she either has to get Congress' approval FIRST, or Congress can tell him/her no and put a stop to it.

As to specifically Pennsylvania, in that news story I posted, of the '10', #3 and #4 and #10 were from Pennsylvania.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

You might just have noticed I did start a thread on the Senate, but it went off rambling into the unknown.

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You might just have noticed I did start a thread on the Senate, but it went off rambling into the unknown.

Yeah, I noticed. I don't know why it got locked.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Why the interest in Pennsylvania? There is large-scale voter fraud going on EVERYWHERE in the USA.

Why are you even interested in the subject at all? Its not like you are even a US Citizen...

If you hadn't ever noticed the US Election and the outcome just about effects everybody on the planet.

Show proof of this large scale voter fraud in the Presidential election.

Republicans And Voter Fraud

You (like SO MANY others) are focused on the US Presidential election.

The 2016 election is about a great MANY individual races...

There are 34 seats out of 100 total seats in the US Senate up for election in 2016.
There are all 435 seats in the US House of Representatives up for election in 2016.
There are 12 States (out of 50) electing Governors in 2016.
There are 2 Territorial Governors up for election in 2016.
And, there are MANY MANY other State and Local officials (Executive, Legislative, AND Judicial) up for election in 2016.

As a non-US Citizen, you SHOULD be way more concerned with the US Senate races, since they control ratification of Treaties with other nations.

The US President? What a powerless prat of a figurehead jumped up bureaucrat.

The US Congress and the US Courts (primarily the US Supreme Court) REALLY 'run' the country. The ONLY thing the President can legally do on his/her own is issue pardons to criminals. EVERYTHING else the President does, he/she either has to get Congress' approval FIRST, or Congress can tell him/her no and put a stop to it.

As to specifically Pennsylvania, in that news story I posted, of the '10', #3 and #4 and #10 were from Pennsylvania.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/

MK is right to say "There is large-scale voter fraud going on EVERYWHERE in the USA", however the only large scale fraud is the one committed before any votes are cast, namely, gerrymandering (as others noted earlier). Using Pennsylvania as an example:

In 2014 House elections Rs won 1,833,205 votes (55.5% of votes cast for Rs or Ds) and D's 1,467,594 (44.5%). Rs won 13 (72%) of Penn House seats to Ds 5 (28%). (source).

In 2012 House elections Rs won 2,710,070 votes (49.2% of votes cast for Rs or Ds) and D's 2,793,538 (50.8%). Rs won 13 (72%) of Penn House seats to Ds 5 (28%). (source).

In 2010 House elections Rs won 2,034,145 votes (51.9% of votes cast for Rs or Ds) and D's 1,882,202 (48.1%). Rs won 12 (63%) of Penn House seats to Ds 7 (37%). (source).

In 2008 House elections Rs won 3,209,168 votes (56.0% of votes cast for Rs or Ds) and D's 2,520,755 (44.0%). Rs won 12 (63%) of Penn House seats to Ds 7 (37%). (source).

Note, there was a redistricting exercise between the 2010 and 2012 elections, when the number of House seats for Pennsylvania was reduced from 19 to 18.

Expect to see some noise about some Penn voting divisions with 0 votes cast for Rs, and this being used as a basis to suggest voter fraud has taken place. The reason for 0 R votes cast is that these divisions are small, and there are areas of Philadelphia where no registered Rs can be found (source). Not only does Penn state gerrymandering lead to areas with little to no R support, the same gerrymandering leads to accusations of voter fraud against those whose votes count for least.

While it is true that gerrymandering is practiced by both Ds and Rs, as most State legislatures have R majorities, it means that, on balance, the House has an R majority significantly greater than the proportion of votes. Indeed, in 2012, despite receiving fewer votes nationally, (when Rs got 58,228,253 to Ds 59,645,531), the Rs had a House majority (Rs 234 seats to 201).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Trump suggests voter fraud might not be so bad after all,

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Trump suggests voter fraud might not be so bad after all,

Starting to think as a Democrat?

Starting? He is one and has been for life!

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If that felon, clinton, loses, her party is going to claim voter fraud every where.

There's no evidence of voter fraud as long as the democrats are winning.

edit: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

Karl Rove discusses Republican election fraud plan.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Gerrymandered is perfectly fine as long as it favors democrats.

If Trump takes the white house, the democrats will blame gerrymandering.

Or Mollycoddling and Lickspitle Pandering...........there's always something brewing as a vast right wing conspiracy......":D

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

I don't think elections are rigged,but I do think the voters are manipulated by the press.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.