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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/ Watch the video. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/ Why would I want to watch a video made by a criminal who deliberately manipulates footage. edit] In all that I forgot what I came for, Can you rig a U.S. presidential election? Experts say it’s basically impossible. But stealing an election in this country isn’t easy. In fact, experts say it’s nearly impossible given how voting works. And documented instances of voter fraud are actually very rare. Wendy R. Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice, said the rate of fraud is smaller than the rate of Americans being struck by lightning. Chris Ashby, campaign finance and election lawyer at Virginia-based Ashby Law, points out that American elections are held in open, public rooms, such as school gyms, community centers and community centers. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who is running for reelection, said during a debate this week that Trump should stop saying the election is being rigged. “We have 67 counties in this state, each of which conduct their own elections. I promise you there is not a 67-county conspiracy to rig this election,†he said, pointing out that Republicans control many of the positions that oversee ballots and monitor results. “There is no evidence behind any of this. . . . He should stop saying that.†In one of the most comprehensive studies on voter fraud, Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt, who is now the deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, found only 31 incidents of voter impersonation out of more than a billion ballots cast between 2000 and 2014. “Usually, only a tiny portion of the claimed illegality is substantiated — and most of the remainder is either nothing more than speculation or has been conclusively debunked,†Levitt wrote. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Of course one case is too many, but that can be said about a lot of crimes. Trump has made more than one insult during this election cycle, one was too many. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/ Truth is dangerous, especially when it challenges those in power... Keep your head in the sand, if you wish... But that does not change the truth of things.
That is just what they WANT you to think... It is not only possible... but EVERY partisan election in the USA, at ALL levels, is RIGGED, and has been for quite some time (at least a century). How? BOTH 'major' parties (The Democrats AND The Republicans) have designed the system for getting ON the ballot in the various States to HIGHLY favor those belonging to those two parties... And to also highly favor the 'establishment' candidate in the 'primary'/'caucus' elections. It is a power-sharing arrangement between the D's and R's, and to hell with the nation.
In light of your quotes, you seem to place great faith in the ability of both the 'poll watchers' and the election officials to 'keep the elections honest'... Well... having BEEN both a 'poll watcher' (1980) and an election official (1982, 1984, and 1986)... I can say to you: "excrement of a male bovine". You won't (and almost certainly can't) believe how many shenanigans there were/are going on... The Election process in the USA is TOTALLY corrupt, and EVERY one of those sources that you quoted has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. 1. held in open, public places... That, of course, excludes the mail-in/absentee ballots. But, even in those 'open' 'public' places, there is no guarantee that the person trying to vote is who they say they are. That is why we need a voter ID law requiring a State-issued picture ID. 2. machines/materials locked & sealed... pull the other one... locked & sealed by WHO? The corrupt officials? Foxes watching the hen-house. 3. poll watchers chosen and trained by both the Republicans & Democrats... Guess what? The election officials at the lower levels are chosen and trained by the Republicans & Democrats... At the higher levels, they are appointed by the State Governments that are under the control of (you guessed it) the Republicans and Democrats. 4. Rubio... all butthurt because he didn't win the nomination, even though he was the anointed 'establishment' candidate. 5. Levitt... what does he do now? D.A.A.G. (Civil rights division)? He works for the Democrat party... Of course, it wouldn't make a difference if he worked for the Republican party. Same schizz, different name, and both stink to high heaven. Remember... BOTH of the two 'major' parties are corrupt as Hades, and care nothing about the nation... only about their own authoritarian grasp on power, and the status quo is how they maintain it. I wonder if we could somehow get a RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) prosecution of all of them. Likely not, seeing as how the District Attorneys are elected officials too. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Of course Democrats ignore it, because it happens so rarely. If it does happen how come there have not been thousands of cases discovered by Republican run counties since 2000. Yes, well the bias of that report is perhaps clear from the final issue it notes: 10. Voter registration cards sent to illegals in Pennsylvania. Having been a permanent resident prior to becoming a citizen I have some experience of this type of thing, indeed I was sent jury duty notices by the city two or three times while not a citizen. The form included a check box for those not citizens to mark if that was the reason for their ineligibility. Note the article says that registration cards were sent to illegals, while the supporting quote indicates this was a potential outcome. The following article lists 31 incidents of potential voter fraud between 2000 and 2014 where voter ID may have helped, it also contains details of 13 incidents of potential voter fraud where voter ID would not likely have helped reduce the scope for such fraud. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/ Voter ID is not the answer, while it might reduce the scope for some voter fraud, it does not eliminate it, and the cost is reduced participation. While those posting here in support of voter ID may have the best possible motives, it seems to me that, in implementation of voter ID laws, a significant motivation has been to reduce legitimate participation from specific groups of American society, making voter ID the latest in a series of policies to reduce such participation (poll tax, poll tests, etc). The idea of voter ID might seem reasonable, the practice is not, which may be why the courts have blocked a number of such initiatives, e.g. North Carolina, and Texas. SCOTUS's ruling on the North Carolina law is perhaps instructive on the motivations: The court found that all five restrictions “disproportionately affected African Americans.†The law’s voter identification provision, for instance, “retained only those types of photo ID disproportionately held by whites and excluded those disproportionately held by African Americans.†Which suggests that North Carolina's voter ID law was not aimed at reducing incidents of voter fraud, it was designed to disenfranchise African Americans. "The record shows that drafters and proponents of SB 14 were aware of the likely disproportionate effect of the law on minorities, and that they nonetheless passed the bill without adopting a number of proposed ameliorative measures that might have lessened this impact," Judge Catharina Haynes wrote for the majority in the ruling.(source). As, it seems, was the Texas law. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
One case is one too many. Then no one can vote. To err is human. The only other solution is everyone must vote, and if you don't vote you get a visit from the police. Which communist absolute do you wish to choose? Your report says about most of those ten, "possible." I also saw the report, 13 proved cases out of 1 billion ballots cast. That was looking at cases where a person claimed to be someone else, something that an ID check would find. I also note one of your cases the people showed ID with their name, but shouldn't have been voting. ID checks don't work and you provided the proof! |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/ The truth of things? Well, while it's true that two of those featured in O'Keefe's latest "investigation" have now lost their jobs, it's unclear whether both deserved this outcome. Having watched the second video (as linked), it's unclear to me that Creamer wanted to be involved in any way with voter fraud. Whether Foval has done the things he's shown as claiming to have done (and the Washington Post article provides some reasons to doubt it), he has no place in any campaign organization. O'Keefe has a "style" that involves editing his material to produce the most inflammatory message possible. If the raw video ever becomes available, then it may show that this is more of the same. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/ Please explain in words of one syllable, so that a numbskull like me can understand, what I don't understand about voter fraud. You are the one that frequently gets challenged about your answers, usually about not answering the question asked. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Voter ID is not the answer, while it might reduce the scope for some voter fraud, it does not eliminate it, and the cost is reduced participation. The evidence from a history of disenfranchising specific groups is conjecture? Oh it doesn't matter, these groups "don't need to be voting". On the voting in multiple districts issue, this will likely not be solved by state issued voter IDs, for that you need systems like ERIC. An added benefit of ERIC is that it helps identify those eligible to vote but not registered, of which there are far more than there are registered though deceased or registered in more than one state; 51 million vs 1.8 million + 2.75 million (source). If the issue is with incorrect voter registration data, doesn't it make sense to find ways to address that directly, rather than set up additional hurdles for those entitled to participate? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/ But there have been very few prosecutions for voter fraud, so it isn't the way and never has been. There are though plenty of examples where the voter registration data is out of snyc with the population data. But that is not voter fraud, it is on old data incompetence by State/County officials but some will be recent changes that just haven't made it through the system yet. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
But there have been very few prosecutions for voter fraud, so it isn't the way and never has been. Not true, usually it is members of the party, in control at that time accusing the the other party who are trying to depose them. Therefore it is the officials from the same party as the accusers that are not prosecuting. Therefore it either didn't happen, or it was as was said earlier based on out of date information.
You think Americans understand as you do. I would dispute that and say most Americans would take it with a pinch of salt and say it is not worth bothering with. Just our peculiar Political and Social Culture. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Regarding absentee ballots, this is the second year my mother's done it that way due to her health and mobility issues, and it just makes it easier on us. My question is, are there any states that provide proof of your absentee ballot being counted? At least when you do it in person, you have the reassurance of it sliding into the machine. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
A global poll conducted by a network of leading pollsters reveals that the American Presidential Election is arousing widespread engagement across the world, where a vast majority is keen to tell pollsters their favourite between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. The poll carried out among 45 countries, covering nearly 75% of world population shows that Hillary Clinton is ahead of Donald Trump in all but one country, Russia. LOL:) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Regarding absentee ballots, this is the second year my mother's done it that way due to her health and mobility issues, and it just makes it easier on us. My question is, are there any states that provide proof of your absentee ballot being counted? At least when you do it in person, you have the reassurance of it sliding into the machine. Don't know statewide, but Los Angeles County does via the internet. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Any comments regarding last night's 'Debate'. There is a thread for that ... http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80409 |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
"I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus" Prophecy from 45 years ago? The precursor to SNL.....The Firesign Thatre. !! CAUTION !! Some may find content questionable, I find it strangely appropriate today. If you were in an 'altered state' the 1st time you heard it, flashbacks are possible. !! CAUTION !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmWFrMq3qNY "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19048 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Tell me, how many fraudulent votes it would take to change the result in one state, like Pennsylvania? I'll make it easy, just pick a number from list below. a. 400 b. 4,000 c, 40,000 d, 400,000 |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Tell me, how many fraudulent votes it would take to change the result in one state, like Pennsylvania? I'll make it easy, just pick a number from list below. That depends... on which race and which state... But one rather infamous result in recent years was the 2008 US Senate race in Minnesota... After TWO recounts, Al Franken won by 312 votes out of 2,887,646 votes cast, for a margin of victory of 0.0108%.... This election was of NATIONAL importance, because Franken's victory gave the Democrats a 60-40 lead in the Senate. So yes, just a small amount of voter fraud can have significant effects on the Nation. Edit: the number '60' is important in the US Senate because cloture (to end a filibuster) needs 60 votes (3/5ths of the 100 Senators). This gave the Democrats in the US Senate at least the theoretical ability to end a Republican Filibuster. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
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