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Message 1824476 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 16:25:00 UTC - in response to Message 1824445.  

John Pilger is another person who thinks today's knowledge to was available to those in the past. He reports the surface news, with his own beliefs, and rarely looks at the reasons why or from a different viewpoint. My opinion is to ignore him, as another reporter from the extremes.

Take the opening topic, Bikini Atoll. Today we know you cannot detonate a nuclear device like those early ones and not irradiate everything. They did not know that they couldn't just wash down a warship, placed in the area to see at what distance naval ships would survive, and put it back into service.
The US Navy put it's own manpower onto those ships and tried to clean off the radiation using sea water. Which, due to the limited knowledge of the time, they didn't realise was also irradiated. All those seamen also suffered from the effects.
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Message 1824478 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 16:32:40 UTC - in response to Message 1824473.  

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Message 1824492 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 17:29:53 UTC - in response to Message 1824458.  

John Pilger.....well known for his prejudiced views portraying China and Russia as misunderstood and embattled 'defenders' of their countries against the depredations of the tyrannical powers of the 'West'.

What a crock. He totally ignores the internal dissent in both of these countries and claims the US is the aggressor against them. Typical of the level of 'Journalism' in the world today. Not interested in uncovering the truth, just selling more 'documentaries' that usually ignore things that don't fit their distorted view of reality.

But even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally, his assessment of Obama is spot on only missing the fact of his abject cowardice (red lines).

Too many people believe anything they see on screen(both large and small), and in print, because it doesn't require them to think. He is the Michael Moore of Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

Attack the messenger, not the message? He's a well respected journalist. You just don't like to see the view that a large part of the world has of America.

I think Pilger significantly underestimates the danger posed by a Drumpf Presidency, for instance, while Pilger rightly notes the US $1T over 20 years nuclear arms budget, Drumpf has said this is insufficient:

Drumpf wrote:
Russia has been expanding their — they have a much newer capability than we do. We have not been updating from the new standpoint. I looked the other night. I was seeing B-52s. They're old enough that your father, your grandfather, could be flying them. We are not — we are not keeping up with other countries.

(source)

Drumpf has said that he believes non-nuclear powers should be able to acquire such weapons (e.g. Japan and South Korea), effectively advocating for the dismantling of the NPT.

From the date on the article it seems it was written before Drumpf made these statements, I wonder if Pilger's view has changed as a result
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1824536 - Posted: 15 Oct 2016, 20:25:23 UTC

Attack the messenger, not the message?


Poisoned water flows from poisoned wells.......

"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1824603 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 2:20:34 UTC - in response to Message 1824593.  

If America 'Implodes'. Canada also...


No!


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Message 1824604 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 2:21:37 UTC - in response to Message 1824593.  
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However, maybe the rest of the world should support him just so we can watch America implode. Unfortunately if America goes down, it will drag us with it, and I do not want to live next door to an unstable country.

If America 'Implodes'. Canada World also...

If America returns to Isolationism, never to be as wealthy or powerful as it was: Western Europe will have to accept a Russian Hegemony.

It doesn't matter who becomes the next President.

The Post WWII Era is over.


His proposed tax cuts will threaten US fiscal security.
His idea's on debt re-structuring will de-stabilise world stock markets.
Import restrictions would harm all countries including the US.
Tearing up the trade agreements life NAFTA would hurt all parties.
Isolationism would kill globalisation, and the US is a major exporter, these exports would soon slow down, even stop if other countries follow the import restrictions.
Pulling out of NATO and defense agreements and his idea of a war on Islam would encourage terrorism.
His style of management will frighten off lots of companies of doing government funded business.

Getting tired or would carry on.
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Message 1824613 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 3:47:56 UTC - in response to Message 1824604.  

Getting tired or would carry on.

His ideas on race would permit Putin to invade to prevent a genocide and have history on his side.
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Message 1824648 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 11:18:57 UTC

Also she is known to be having a cold, as well as snooping my e-mail for her.
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Message 1824656 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 12:37:38 UTC - in response to Message 1824647.  

And hillary's idea on wide open borders, giving away everything, raising taxes and more government spending will crash us as a nation (by design!)

(Not to mention the lawlessness which leads to violence that she so willingly promotes)

Who ever supports hillary needs to wake up from their purple haze and *look* at what's happening in the ruling establishment and to this country.

Look at what hillary is saying. Look at what she does in private according to eyewitness accounts. Look at what obama has done and *HOW* he has done it.

We are losing this country because of progressives. If hillary makes it to the white house, the SCOTUS will become a 7:2 activist, progressive, change the meaning of words as directed by hillary and the likes to give the ruling establishment power and control for at least the next 30 years.

No more constitution. No more rule of law. People you disagree with will be prosecuted for thought crimes. Some areas of our population centers will have no more police protection/fire protection. And we will decay into something we never imagined.

In other words, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1824669 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 14:42:11 UTC - in response to Message 1824656.  

In other words, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0?

I believe the last two words describe trump supporters.
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Message 1824670 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 14:56:47 UTC - in response to Message 1824656.  


In other words, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0?

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Message 1824690 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 16:29:28 UTC - in response to Message 1824647.  
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And hillary's idea on wide open borders, giving away everything, raising taxes and more government spending will crash us as a nation (by design!)

(Not to mention the lawlessness which leads to violence that she so willingly promotes)

Who ever supports hillary needs to wake up from their purple haze and *look* at what's happening in the ruling establishment and to this country.

Look at what hillary is saying. Look at what she does in private according to eyewitness accounts. Look at what obama has done and *HOW* he has done it.

We are losing this country because of progressives. If hillary makes it to the white house, the SCOTUS will become a 7:2 activist, progressive, change the meaning of words as directed by hillary and the likes to give the ruling establishment power and control for at least the next 30 years.

No more constitution. No more rule of law. People you disagree with will be prosecuted for thought crimes. Some areas of our population centers will have no more police protection/fire protection. And we will decay into something we never imagined.

Here is the story of Derek Black. Yes that Derek Black, formerly of Stormfront.
Son of Don Black, founder of Stormfront, white nationalist, Grand Wizard KKK, former member of the American Nazi Party.
Derek Black is also the godson of David Duke leader of the American white nationalists, politician, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, and former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

The white flight of Derek Black
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Message 1824718 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 18:12:15 UTC - in response to Message 1824698.  

And hillary's idea on wide open borders, giving away everything, raising taxes and more government spending will crash us as a nation (by design!)

(Not to mention the lawlessness which leads to violence that she so willingly promotes)

Who ever supports hillary needs to wake up from their purple haze and *look* at what's happening in the ruling establishment and to this country.

Look at what hillary is saying. Look at what she does in private according to eyewitness accounts. Look at what obama has done and *HOW* he has done it.

We are losing this country because of progressives. If hillary makes it to the white house, the SCOTUS will become a 7:2 activist, progressive, change the meaning of words as directed by hillary and the likes to give the ruling establishment power and control for at least the next 30 years.

No more constitution. No more rule of law. People you disagree with will be prosecuted for thought crimes. Some areas of our population centers will have no more police protection/fire protection. And we will decay into something we never imagined.

Here is the story of Derek Black. Yes that Derek Black, formerly of Stormfront.
Son of Don Black, founder of Stormfront, white nationalist, Grand Wizard KKK, former member of the American Nazi Party.
Derek Black is also the godson of David Duke leader of the American white nationalists, politician, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, and former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

The white flight of Derek Black

Unfortunately. Both sides have Hater's, Racist's, Sexist's, etc. Among their supporters.

One side has far, far more than the other. Why do you insist on this false equivalency?
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Message 1824723 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 18:44:19 UTC - in response to Message 1824718.  
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Unfortunately. Both sides have Hater's, Racist's, Sexist's, etc. Among their supporters.

One side has far, far more than the other. Why do you insist on this false equivalency?

Because where he stands is the middle ground, so sayeth Clyde!

If it isn't that then it might be trollish behavior.

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Message 1824727 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 18:51:29 UTC - in response to Message 1824723.  
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Unfortunately. Both sides have Hater's, Racist's, Sexist's, etc. Among their supporters.

One side has far, far more than the other. Why do you insist on this false equivalency?

Because where he stands is the middle ground, so sayeth Clyde!

If it isn't that then it might be trollish behavior.

I wouldn't want to be in the "middle" if it was a "Climate Warming" fight with 90+ on one side and a handful on the other side.
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Message 1824733 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 18:59:38 UTC

Assuming that Hillary will continue for the most part the policies and actions of the Obama administration I wonder why the news media has ignored the fact that twice as many soldiers have been killed in the middle east during Obama's term as CNC than were killed during the Bush years and with no better results.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/1188-us-military-deaths-afghan-war-obama-became-president
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Message 1824736 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 19:04:38 UTC - in response to Message 1824733.  

Assuming that Hillary will continue for the most part the policies and actions of the Obama administration I wonder why the news media has ignored the fact that twice as many soldiers have been killed in the middle east during Obama's term as CNC than were killed during the Bush years and with no better results.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/1188-us-military-deaths-afghan-war-obama-became-president

But would they have been there at all if it wasn't for GW's debatable fight tactics against terrorism?
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Message 1824737 - Posted: 16 Oct 2016, 19:22:53 UTC - in response to Message 1824736.  

Assuming that Hillary will continue for the most part the policies and actions of the Obama administration I wonder why the news media has ignored the fact that twice as many soldiers have been killed in the middle east during Obama's term as CNC than were killed during the Bush years and with no better results.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/1188-us-military-deaths-afghan-war-obama-became-president

But would they have been there at all if it wasn't for GW's debatable fight tactics against terrorism?

Your response didn't attempt to answer the question. It was the typical liberal try to shift the blame. No one but Barack Obama is responsible for US middle east policy since 2009, and I believe he made a campaign promise to get the US out of the middle east.
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