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Message 1820342 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 0:30:02 UTC - in response to Message 1820338.  
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Demand side economics failed in the 30s.

No it did not.
Demand side economics failed in the 60s and 70s. And demand side economics is failing today.

You are correct on this one because since Reagan we have had trickle down.

Release the shackles from the American worker and we'll experience a renaissance like we did in the 80s.

That was the wild west from the "reforms" to our financial system culminating in the great recession of 2008. The chickens came home to roost.
I wish I were able to live in the simplistic alternate universe you see but the facts and numbers totally belie your viewpoint.
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Message 1820344 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 0:42:04 UTC - in response to Message 1820338.  

Become educated about Reagan; Largest tax increase in history!
https://thinkprogress.org/10-things-conservatives-dont-want-you-to-know-about-ronald-reagan-7a87723a4f68#.kqqxewn4w
Now when you get over your shock that Reagan was a RINO ...
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Message 1820349 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 0:55:44 UTC - in response to Message 1820338.  

Sarge,

When you say, "Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam," you are adding to the confusion of the symbols we use to communicate.

You should at least add some sort of caveat to that statement.

Because I say I'm conservative, many people will now think that I want to oppress women, execute people for the crime of being homosexual, and chop the hands off thieves.

No, they will think you want to jail people for 50 years for smoking some weed, jail them for burning a flag, jail them for doing any work on Sunday, refuse trans people a restroom, bar all knowledge of contraception ... execute, yes you are in favor of capital punishment, just not pubic where the people might see it and rise up against you.

bobby,

Look at the history of the democrat party.

Let's. Until the 1960's all the southern states were rabid democrat. Then in the late 60's the Democrats dropped their racism and George Wallace broke off the DixieCrats from the Democrats. By the 1990's all of those racists had left the Democrats forever and joined the Republicans, calling themselves TEA. They had to have some place to spread their racist filth.

They are the ones who who didn't want to free the slaves. They are the ones who had to be defeated in our civil war. And they are the ones who wrote the Jim Crow laws.

Very correct. They are now the TEA who joined and subverted the republicans.

Today's democrat continues to tax and spend.

Yes, just like Ronald Reagan!
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Message 1820371 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 3:13:39 UTC - in response to Message 1820355.  

Why did Reagan win?

Because he was a union boss!
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Message 1820506 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 12:04:32 UTC - in response to Message 1820338.  

Sarge,

When you say, "Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam," you are adding to the confusion of the symbols we use to communicate.

You should at least add some sort of caveat to that statement.

Because I say I'm conservative, many people will now think that I want to oppress women, execute people for the crime of being homosexual, and chop the hands off thieves.

And I'm a republican in a UK context, though that says nothing of which party I'll vote for in the US, what of it? Those in the UK know what is meant even if it sometimes confuses americans. The US does not have primacy for English language use around the world (which is a good thing, many americans are confused about the terms "republic" and "democracy", thought that's be done to death in other threads). If you were to say you're a "conservative Muslim", it could mean something very different to a "conservative Republican". If you want language to be clear, use more words to clarify what you mean.

Which rules do the "conservative" Saudis like to follow?

The rules I like to follow are not those.

bobby,

Look at the history of the democrat party. They are the ones who who didn't want to free the slaves. They are the ones who had to be defeated in our civil war. And they are the ones who wrote the Jim Crow laws.

Today's democrat continues to tax and spend. They increase spending but the taxes they raise don't match it. Look at what people are paying in the blue states. You're in NY, right? You should know. Look at your pay stub. Look at the lines in your municipal, state and federal income taxes. Look at the receipts as you make purchases. What percentage of your pay gets confiscated from you before you get it? If the democrats could do it, they'd hide this information from you.

Demand side economics failed in the 30s. Demand side economics failed in the 60s and 70s. And demand side economics is failing today.

Release the shackles from the American worker and we'll experience a renaissance like we did in the 80s. Only this time, maybe we'll have some republicans in congress who follow along cutting spending as they cut taxes. The federal press is not telling you the truth about what happened in the 80s. Reagan cut taxes, democrats saw an increase in projected revenue within two years, and then went on a spending spree. The federal press now says Reagan cut taxes and that's the only reason the debt ballooned.

Today we have had democrats in power for 30 years. Why hasn't this party of slavery fixed anything yet? Obama has added more to our national debt in his term than all previous presidents before him. Who's NOT thinking critically?

The DEBT is a problem. Fix that and many other problems will be fixed.

Solution:

http://conventionofstates.com

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1820522 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 13:26:31 UTC - in response to Message 1820371.  

Why did Reagan win?

Because he was a union boss!


Yep. S.A.G. (screen actors guild)... And he was a Democrat.

Democrats used to be the conservative party and the republicans the moderate/liberal party... Then along came Goldwater and LBJ. Republicans went conservative, Democrats went liberal.

Reagan did not leave the Democrat party... in his own words, it left him.

Now it looks like that the two parties are on their way back...

Trump, the Republican nominee, appears to be pandering to the old core-group of the Democrats: organized labor.

Clinton, the Democrat nominee, appears to be courting many of the Conservative core-groups.

In reality, both the Democrats and the Republicans are the same: Both are authoritarian parties concerned with power and control. Power and control over the hearts and minds of the People. To use an example from literature: IngSoc from Orwell's 1984.

In Orwell's 1984, the 3 Party slogans were:

1. War is Peace.
2. Freedom is Slavery.
3. Ignorance is Strength.

Sound familiar to today?

Thoughtcrime, newspeak, doublethink... I urge each and every one of you to read 1984. If you have already read it, please read it again. Then make up your own mind about what is going on today.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1820526 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 13:32:55 UTC - in response to Message 1820522.  

& brought to the screen by Wilfred Greatorex's 1990

Dubbed 1984+6.

Both were great books & interesting.
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Message 1820534 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 14:03:16 UTC

I've head that due to the well published and long standing disagreements Hiliary continues to have with her Secret Service detail she will be replacing them with her original private security force.



"I HAVE FLYING MONKEYS AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE THEM!"



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Message 1820545 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 14:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 1820534.  

I've head that due to the well published and long standing disagreements Hiliary continues to have with her Secret Service detail she will be replacing them with her original private security force.



"I HAVE FLYING MONKEYS AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE THEM!"


LOL....now THAT surely fits her......
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Message 1820554 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 15:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 1820552.  

With all those crooks in the US, it was obvious that one day you would have 2 contending. :-)
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Message 1820555 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 15:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 1820552.  

I've head that due to the well published and long standing disagreements Hiliary continues to have with her Secret Service detail she will be replacing them with her original private security force.

And if/when she becomes President?

Our choice is between two bozo's!


More precisely, it is a choice between a potential fascist dictator (Trump) and a mobster (Clinton)... unless we can have an extreme miracle and get one of the other candidates (Johnson, Stein, etc.) elected...
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1820582 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 17:15:25 UTC - in response to Message 1820349.  

Sarge,

When you say, "Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam," you are adding to the confusion of the symbols we use to communicate.

You should at least add some sort of caveat to that statement.

Because I say I'm conservative, many people will now think that I want to oppress women, execute people for the crime of being homosexual, and chop the hands off thieves.

No, they will think you want to jail people for 50 years for smoking some weed, jail them for burning a flag, jail them for doing any work on Sunday, refuse trans people a restroom, bar all knowledge of contraception ... execute, yes you are in favor of capital punishment, just not pubic where the people might see it and rise up against you.

bobby,

Look at the history of the democrat party.

Let's. Until the 1960's all the southern states were rabid democrat. Then in the late 60's the Democrats dropped their racism and George Wallace broke off the DixieCrats from the Democrats. By the 1990's all of those racists had left the Democrats forever and joined the Republicans, calling themselves TEA. They had to have some place to spread their racist filth.

They are the ones who who didn't want to free the slaves. They are the ones who had to be defeated in our civil war. And they are the ones who wrote the Jim Crow laws.


Did Guy SERIOUSLY try to go there with that one?
Wow.
Don't tell me about blurring lines.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
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Message 1820595 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 18:07:13 UTC - in response to Message 1820555.  

unless we can have an extreme miracle


We could always send Boris J ( our foreign sec ) he was born in New york or somewhere over there so he could be your president / cic
Life is what you make of it :-)

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Message 1820596 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 18:07:59 UTC - in response to Message 1820582.  

Did Guy SERIOUSLY try to go there with that one?
Wow.
Don't tell me about blurring lines.

Yes he did. Seems his world view is ...
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Message 1820626 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 20:23:50 UTC - in response to Message 1820595.  

unless we can have an extreme miracle


We could always send Boris J ( our foreign sec ) he was born in New york or somewhere over there so he could be your president / cic


Uhh... If he was in fact born in NYC, and if the rest of the requirements for 'natural born' citizen were satisfied, he would STILL have to reside in the USA for 14 years to become eligible to be President.

US Constitution. Article II, Section 1, Clause 5...

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1820649 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 22:20:43 UTC - in response to Message 1820639.  

Clinton is going to win with supporters like this:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/omg-leftist-mob-beats-kicks-pummels-trump-supporter-wearing-maga-hat-saved-police-caught-video/

And nobody's getting the whole truth about the Ronald Reagan administration and the Democratic Congress of the time.

I give up.


Oh, I know the truth about what went on during this time. Various friends in high (or low, depending on your point of view) places. Most people don't understand.

The Democrats allowed the tax cut portion of Reagan's programs to go through, knowing it was popular and also knowing that his program would fail without the more important rest (government spending cuts) of it getting enacted therefore could be used to discredit Reagan, Republican Party, and conservatism and/or limited Government in general. They won that hand of Political Poker.

Demand-side economics is a total, abject failure.

Supply-side economics didn't fail. It NEVER GOT completely enacted.

Reagan had the correct idea. He just didn't have the 'stones' to get it done. He COULD have, like the occasional State Governor, done it by vetoing everything that came across his desk that didn't match his program. He did not. He was too willing to compromise on principle. It is the main reason I wound up leaving the Republican Party back in the mid-late 1980's.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1820650 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 22:22:29 UTC - in response to Message 1820639.  

And nobody's getting the whole truth about the Ronald Reagan administration and the Democratic Congress of the time.

I give up.

Right, since the democrats were in control they deserve all the credit for all the good that happened while Reagan was in office!
See how blind hate works
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Message 1820651 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 22:25:51 UTC - in response to Message 1820649.  

(government spending cuts)

Ah, yes, Republican Military Spending Pork Barrels! :)
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Message 1820661 - Posted: 29 Sep 2016, 23:05:53 UTC - in response to Message 1820649.  

Supply-side economics didn't fail. It NEVER GOT completely enacted.

There was no demand-side economics prior to Keynes, and Keynes didn't start influencing US economics until FDR. The Great Depression was the result of supply-side economics. Tried and failed, abysmally. I suspect there are very few economists that advocate a return to demand-side for this very reason.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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