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Message 1820193 - Posted: 27 Sep 2016, 14:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 1820187.  

No offence but I would give Al Jazeera more credit if the polls where done by them than any of the news services you mentioned Clyde :)

Why?

They are Liberal/Left.
Worse, they are the wholly owned mouthpiece for the Radical Islamic movement. Cut from the whole cloth of Wahabi propaganda.

Al Jazeera, also known as JSC, is a Doha-based state-funded broadcaster owned by the Al Jazeera Media Network, which is partly funded by the House of Thani, the ruling family of Qatar. Initially launched as an Arabic news and current affairs satellite TV channel, Al Jazeera has since expanded into a network with several outlets, including the Internet and specialty TV channels in multiple languages.

Al Jazeera has been called a propaganda outlet for the Qatari government and its foreign policy, by analysts and by news reporters, including former Al Jazeera reporters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

Too bad they closed Al Jazeera America, the lack of commercial advertising support would have bankrupted Qatar.

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Message 1820196 - Posted: 27 Sep 2016, 14:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 1820194.  

Why?

They are Liberal/Left.


20 or 30 yrs ago they where reliable and actually got off there back side and reported but now days it's all cut and paste , no checking or any real reporting .

Not that much different to Fox these days .

FOX just followed their lead.

So why the vitriol against FOX?

BTW: My wife and I, after the 'Debate', were switching between Biased CNN and Biased FOX 'Reporters'.

Both extremely biased, alleged News Organizations. Hit a new low.

I also noticed, when reading on the net last night, that Fox spun almost everything one way and CNN almost everything the other.
One wonders if they could have been watching the same debate......

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Message 1820207 - Posted: 27 Sep 2016, 15:16:29 UTC - in response to Message 1820194.  

My wife and I, after the 'Debate', were switching between Biased CNN and Biased FOX 'Reporters'.


That's about the only way these days to figure the B/S from the chaff .

And yes I do know Al-Jeera can be bias read what Clyde and his Misses does , it's the same thing and about the only way to get a idea on the facts .

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Message 1820211 - Posted: 27 Sep 2016, 15:33:38 UTC - in response to Message 1820196.  
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BTW: My wife and I, after the 'Debate', were switching between Biased CNN and Biased FOX 'Reporters'.

Both extremely biased, alleged News Organizations. Hit a new low.

I also noticed, when reading on the net last night, that Fox spun almost everything one way and CNN almost everything the other.
One wonders if they could have been watching the same debate......

Meowsigh.

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Message 1820253 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 19:49:44 UTC - in response to Message 1820193.  

No offence but I would give Al Jazeera more credit if the polls where done by them than any of the news services you mentioned Clyde :)

Why?

They are Liberal/Left.
Worse, they are the wholly owned mouthpiece for the Radical Islamic movement. Cut from the whole cloth of Wahabi propaganda.

Al Jazeera, also known as JSC, is a Doha-based state-funded broadcaster owned by the Al Jazeera Media Network, which is partly funded by the House of Thani, the ruling family of Qatar. Initially launched as an Arabic news and current affairs satellite TV channel, Al Jazeera has since expanded into a network with several outlets, including the Internet and specialty TV channels in multiple languages.

Al Jazeera has been called a propaganda outlet for the Qatari government and its foreign policy, by analysts and by news reporters, including former Al Jazeera reporters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

Too bad they closed Al Jazeera America, the lack of commercial advertising support would have bankrupted Qatar.


You seriously think Wahabi'ism is a leftist movement?
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Message 1820264 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:09:47 UTC
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Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam.

5:04 in Saudi Ambassador Defends Law Declaring All Atheists Terrorists. Saudi Arabia (Wahabi'ists) behead atheists, drug dealers, drug users, being supposed witches/sorcerers. Yeah, they sound so liberal and so (if Al Jazeera really is a propaganda arm of Saudi Arabia) ... ? WTH?
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Message 1820268 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:18:52 UTC

I've been told by a Canadian friend that there they only do the Protest vote
after the Strategic vote is off the table.
In a riding where your candidate will not win, then that Party may actually
encourage a strategy of voting for the lesser evil of those who may win.
It's a bit nuanced, but Strategic in getting a government that most can live with.
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Message 1820272 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:26:51 UTC - in response to Message 1820253.  

No offence but I would give Al Jazeera more credit if the polls where done by them than any of the news services you mentioned Clyde :)

Why?

They are Liberal/Left.
Worse, they are the wholly owned mouthpiece for the Radical Islamic movement. Cut from the whole cloth of Wahabi propaganda.

Al Jazeera, also known as JSC, is a Doha-based state-funded broadcaster owned by the Al Jazeera Media Network, which is partly funded by the House of Thani, the ruling family of Qatar. Initially launched as an Arabic news and current affairs satellite TV channel, Al Jazeera has since expanded into a network with several outlets, including the Internet and specialty TV channels in multiple languages.

Al Jazeera has been called a propaganda outlet for the Qatari government and its foreign policy, by analysts and by news reporters, including former Al Jazeera reporters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

Too bad they closed Al Jazeera America, the lack of commercial advertising support would have bankrupted Qatar.


You seriously think Wahabi'ism is a leftist movement?

Missed that assertion! Well it must fit his idea of left/right.

<plaint>If people could agree on the meanings of terms, things, ... the world would be a better place</plaint>

Apparently to him they are liberal/left because they aren't evangelical Christians? They want government control of the bedroom, the normal measure of right in the USA. True they do believe in alms a position of the left in the USA. It is so confusing to use the wrong scale and not the correct one of totalitarian or anarchy. But perhaps that is how it is wanted, confusion.
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Message 1820274 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:29:09 UTC - in response to Message 1820264.  

Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam.

5:04 in Saudi Ambassador Defends Law Declaring All Atheists Terrorists. Saudi Arabia (Wahabi'ists) behead atheists, drug dealers, drug users, being supposed witches/sorcerers. Yeah, they sound so liberal and so (if Al Jazeera really is a propaganda arm of Saudi Arabia) ... ? WTH?

Not the House of Saud, but Qatar.
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Message 1820279 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:37:29 UTC - in response to Message 1820268.  
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they only do the Protest vote
after the Strategic vote is off the table.


There you go, things do change around here. In the old days we would just
sort of vote for who "Old Dad" had voted for. As an example of that, one
need only look at the results of the last election in the west of this country.
Regardless of what voting habits were in sway in all the other regions of
the nation, it was a solid wave of voting for the tory equivalents that
were running for office here in Alberta-Stan.



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Message 1820284 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 1820279.  

they only do the Protest vote
after the Strategic vote is off the table.


There you go, things do change around here. In the old days we would just
sort of vote for who "Old Dad" had voted for. As an example of that, one
need only look at the results of the last election in the west of this country.
Regardless of what voting habits were in sway in all the other regions of
the nation, it was a solid wave of voting for the tory equivalents that
were running for office here in Alberta-Stan.

Did your team lose Celtooth?
You sound somewhat disaffected.
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Message 1820285 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:47:30 UTC - in response to Message 1820274.  

Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam.

5:04 in Saudi Ambassador Defends Law Declaring All Atheists Terrorists. Saudi Arabia (Wahabi'ists) behead atheists, drug dealers, drug users, being supposed witches/sorcerers. Yeah, they sound so liberal and so (if Al Jazeera really is a propaganda arm of Saudi Arabia) ... ? WTH?

Not the House of Saud, but Qatar.

Yes. But Qatar is a Salafi state just as Saudi Arabia...
Salafism has been described as a hybrid of Wahhabism.

The Oct 9 US presidential debate will focus on foreign affairs.
Perhaps Hillary and Trump will clarify their standpoint being ally to Saudi Arabia then.
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Message 1820286 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:51:54 UTC - in response to Message 1820284.  

When ever we have a successful
election my team wins!



edit:
People from my generation are somewhat bemused
by the way our politics are evolving. I have my
predictions, and some of them I am pretty sure of,
but I would love to have a look-see about fifty
years into the future just to check-up on things.


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Message 1820297 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 21:34:19 UTC - in response to Message 1820292.  

<plaint>If people could agree on the meanings of terms, things, ... the world would be a better place</plaint>

DING! I've been saying this for quite some time.
Meanings have blurred. left/right/democrat/republican/liberal/conservative...
Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam.

Islam is conservative? Ultra-conservative?
For the third time from what I can remember, we need to define what we believe in clear terms: Slave party vs Freedom party.
But perhaps that is how it is wanted, confusion.

DOUBLE DING! Yes. By design. Confused people are easier to rule over in a slave society.

Trump supporters are the most confused people ever.
With a Litany of simple words DJT has gotten his Basket of Deplorables to support him, Orange Hitler.
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Note the complete lack of ways to discredit the claim "Islam is Conservative".
Further, fiscally, probably Hamas (?) is closest to acting socialist (not communist, to the one that complains about blurred definitions but is most guilty). I would not be surprised if most Islamic countries are also fiscally conservative.
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Message 1820319 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 22:40:31 UTC - in response to Message 1820317.  

Note the complete lack of ways to discredit the claim "Islam is Conservative".
Further, fiscally, probably Hamas (?) is closest to acting socialist (not communist, to the one that complains about blurred definitions but is most guilty). I would not be surprised if most Islamic countries are also fiscally conservative.

Gosh OPEC you think?
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Message 1820321 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 22:42:50 UTC - in response to Message 1820319.  

Note the complete lack of ways to discredit the claim "Islam is Conservative".
Further, fiscally, probably Hamas (?) is closest to acting socialist (not communist, to the one that complains about blurred definitions but is most guilty). I would not be surprised if most Islamic countries are also fiscally conservative.

Gosh OPEC you think?


That's in the back of my mind without having looked up any specifics on the fiscal/economic policies of any Muslim countries.

More further to the disagreer: we tend to hate that in others which we hate in ourselves, thus the rabid dislike of Islam from ... ?

Note to all: if you are on my ignore list, it's not what you say, it's that you say it like an ... .
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Message 1820322 - Posted: 28 Sep 2016, 22:44:24 UTC - in response to Message 1820292.  

<plaint>If people could agree on the meanings of terms, things, ... the world would be a better place</plaint>


DING! I've been saying this for quite some time.

Meanings have blurred. left/right/democrat/republican/liberal/conservative...

(Un)fortunately language is not static, words acquire new meanings (for instance, sophisticated does not mean the same thing it did a century ago, the root - sophist - might help you figure out what it meant to your grandparents). If you want to to speak in a language that does not change as much as English, learn Latin.

Wahhabism: How Saudi Arabia Exports Ultra-Conservative Islam.


Islam is conservative? Ultra-conservative?

It can be yes:

Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others, called reactionaries, oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were".
(source).

While you might not like the source, conservatism as a social philosophy has meant the preservation of traditions for a long time. Ultra-conservative might be a synonym for "reactionary", and would certainly seem a suitable description for many that describe themselves as "fundamentalists". In the Arab world a conservative might oppose women's rights, while in the US a conservative might oppose same-sex marriages, both are conservative views within their cultural context.

For the third time from what I can remember, we need to define what we believe in clear terms: Slave party vs Freedom party.

Can you show how either of the main parties in the US matches those descriptions today? If not, the terms are not clear to a modern reader.

But perhaps that is how it is wanted, confusion.


DOUBLE DING! Yes. By design. Confused people are easier to rule over in a slave society.

Confusion might not be the enemy, Data, critical thinking and education don't eliminate confusion, though they can reduce the ability of leaders to mislead a population. When a potential leader publicly states that global warming is a "concept" created by the Chinese:

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
(source)

and then denies this on TV,
CLINTON: [...] Donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I think it's real.

TRUMP: I did not. I did not. I do not say that.
(source)

those that have data and are able to think critically may be confused, those that don't, might be mislead.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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