The "effect" is that MY insurance rates are rising at a greater rate than would have been otherwise expected because of the types of patients newly insured

Well put, all of your posts. Thank you. ;^)

Even with reduced plan and higher deductibles 30% increase for us and rising. As a pensioner I'm getting close to budget limit.

I'm a pensioner and I don't pay 1 cent and yet I am covered .

If Obama had been able to bring in our Universal heath you would not be paying 1 cent

But hey your Constitution is sacred and you can't change it to allow our type of system.

He could not introduce our system because of the penalty's .

You don't pay private health then you will pay 1% more tax . The Medicare levy

pay into a private health fund and get 30% subsidy and you won't have to pay the extra 1% Medicare levy

And that is the only reason he could not introduce it as your constitution says your Government can't tell you what to do and the Medicare levy is doing exactly that telling you to pay into a private fund or pay extra tax

So stop whining about the cost you got what you deserved for being selfish and greedy

Glenn,

You not paying one cent means the taxpayers are paying for it instead. NOTHING in life is FREE.

In the USA, the Medicare Tax is a bit more than 1%, iirc, and it is payed by everyone with a job on gross earnings. The system is in financial trouble. Costs are spiraling out of control. Cost saving measures (reductions in pay to doctors and hospitals) initially passed by Congress keep getting blocked.

The Medicare system is virtually broke. Then, to add insult to injury, Obama raided what little money Medicare has left to the tune of US$ >700 Billion to help pay for Obamacare.

Obamacare is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do... Torpedo the Health Care system in the USA into oblivion.

It doesn't matter which one (Trump or Clinton) gets elected president. Healthcare in the USA is imploding. Maybe if Johnson (L) gets elected (along with a L majority in Congress, something could be done to save it. Otherwise it is doomed.

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

I'm a pensioner and I don't pay 1 cent and yet I am covered.

Good job. Just stick it to the other guy. Har!

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I too am a 'Pensioner' and for my healthcare I pay US $144 per month plus whatever co-pays and deductibles apply. So if you are paying nothing, then as Barrack and Hiliary say "You're not paying your fair share!"

I payed my fear shear for 24 years mate as I've earned more than most.

And I chose to pay the Medicare Levy witch is higher than private when your on a higher income rate as you have to pay a extra 0.5% on top off the 1% if you earnt over a certain amount and i was in the higher bracket .

I'm just not a greedy F-er

Also now i get a Government benefit i don't pay much at all for health

Your system is corrupt and it rips you off

eg: generic ashma spay is $7.50 over the counter . Ventolin brand name $9.50 over the counter . Both can be got for $2.50 if you get your Doctors script i don't bother with the script and just buy over the counter as i can afford $9.50 once every 3 months or so .

The same medicine in your country is over $40 US that's close to $50 ozzie and to think it only cost the drug company's about $3 to make said medicine

So stop whining you get what you deserve

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Glenn,

You not paying one cent means the taxpayers are paying for it instead. NOTHING in life is FREE.

Read my other post i have paid more than my fear shear

You system is broke yes i agree but it's not only Doctors pay rates it's the drug company's that are really doing your system in .

You have no mechanism to challenge them like our P.B.S system does .

And you are hindered because of your Constitution so change it and recue it .

You can't blame Obama really he did what he could with what he could get away with a second class system and i bet he knows this but he at least has helped those that where not covered before

The current bunch of a/h are trying to stuff the P.B.S system up buy certifying to many new drugs and reducing the requirements .

Why is this happening and who is behind it .....the American drug company's and for the same reason American company's are trying to water down our consumer laws , they can't do there normal business of lieing and conning people to buy there products as the Shark swivel vacuum cleaner company found out when the ACCC took them to court over false and misleading advertising .

Won't work this mob wont win the next election as they still haven't learnt they only one by 1 seat and that was a warning to them however there to greedy to listen .

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generic ashma spay is $7.50 over the counter . Ventolin brand name $9.50 over the counter . Both can be got for $2.50 if you get your Doctors script i don't bother with the script and just buy over the counter as i can afford $9.50 once every 3 months or so .

The same medicine in your country is over $40 US that's close to $50 ozzie and to think it only cost the drug company's about $3 to make said medicine

US$40?!?!?

The cash co-payment on Proventil HFA is a bit over US$50... AFTER INSURANCE... per inhaler.... at WALMART pharmacy (one of the cheaper ones). I have seen the cash price elsewhere at over US$150 per inhaler.

It used to be cheaper, but they had to change propellants in it (environmental damage and all that with the old CFC propellants)... So the new (patented) 'HFA' units are mucho dinero.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

well kong just send me a money order for $9.50 Us per unit, i'll keep the exchange rate difference a small fee heheheheheheh and i'll send you as many Inhalers as you need mate .

Or $7.50 for the generic brand (no difference I've used both )

Edit : i'll even throw in free postage (just worked out what $9.50 US is in ozzie dollars )

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Kong i just looked at the inhalers i have , i have 2 at the moment 1 generic and the Band name version BOTH have a sticker on it saying CFC free and you getting charged $150 wow man

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On the NHS the charge for one Ventolin Inhaler is the standard NHS prescription charge of £8.40. But if you require more than three in a 3 month period then the total charge is £30, if required for a year or more then the charge is £105/year for 14 or more units.

Generic inhalers can be bought for about £5.

For children up to leaving school age or people over 60 there is no NHS prescription charge.

http://www.healthcentre.org.uk/pharmacy/ventolin-inhaler-cost.html

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14 or more units.

If your using that many your gona die real quick from a heart attack . It's a steroid and makes your hart beat faster and there have been a few deaths from people not following the correct way to use them .

And man the times I've pulled someone up for misusing them , I often wonder why there are not more deaths .

So the correct way to use one is to take 1 beep a breath as you can from the inhaler then wait at least 2 mins for it to work then take a second deeper breath (witch you should be able to do after the first one) and then DO NOT USE IT again for AT LEAST 4hrs

if you need to use it more than 3 times a day you do need to see your doctor for a different type of puffer other wise you may die from a hart attack if you keep using them more than 3 times a day

You can use one 4 times a day but NEVER MORE THAN 4 times

So you can see each puffer has 200 doses so you should never be using any more than 1 per 2-3 months or a total of 6 per year other wise you may die if you do need it more see your doctor as you have uncontrolled ashma

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I payed my fear shear for 24 years mate as I've earned more than most.

Well why didn't you say that?

Looks like you are just baiting us with your statements.

Americans pay into SS & Medicare all our working lives too. I paid into it what I get back much like you. Other receive and paid nothing into it. That's the rub.

BTW

What the hell is a fear shear? You a sheep barber?

and I an't your mate either I'm happily married thank you. Har! ;^)

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What the hell is a fear shear? You a sheep barber?

smart alex hehhehe it was a typo and no I'm not a sheep shearer as they are called not a sheep barber

Mate in Australia does not always mean your my best buddy so i know your not my mate , maate !!:)

eg : channel 7 has a channel called 7 mate and the add for it goes like this 7 maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate the best channel in the world . It's a real blokes channel , so you get the jest of it .

shows AFL ,motor racing , fishing , Diy , action movies . Or maybe better i put what they don't show like Friends , Oprah, Chick flicks , Ellen

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Your system is corrupt and it rips you off

Damn straight. It lets the drug companies dump their product at below cost on your country and to make up the lost profits they price gouge in America!

BTW I bet your "fear shear" (sheep sheer?) you paid in was used up in at most two years. Prepay schemes like that always end up being ponzi.

Rate we pay in the USA is 1.45% and high income pays an additional 0.9% for every dollar we earn. Once on it, premiums are also due. Still not enough to cover the ponzi effect, bankruptcy in 2028. (Our birthrate fell)

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Damn straight. It lets the drug companies dump their product at below cost on your country and to make up the lost profits they price gouge in America!

gary this is another stupid statement . You listen to David Wilcock too

I have 2 puffers at the moment 1 generic and 1 a Branded one

Makers of the generic witch is called ASMOL the maker of this is alphapharm

the maker of the Ventolin is Allen+Hanburys divison GlaxoSmithKline

the Asmol is $2 less than Ventolin

alphapharm is a Australian company

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphapharm

The drugs are cheaper because we have generic witch means GlaxoSmithKline actually has competition , don't you just love capitalism

get you facts right bro we do not cost your system 1 cent we are just not as gullible as you lot are .

"oh they had to change the propellant and it's very expensive " yeh right if you lot say so i'll believe you

Oh our system is not a pre paid system also it has and never was supposed to pay the whole Medicare bill of our country although that is the current lie of the Liberal Party , that the Medicare levy is not raising enough money . it was never meant to .

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Gary I think you need to read this to get a idea just how you lot get ripped off

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/court-finds-nurofen-made-misleading-specific-pain-claims

Is it sold in your country still as separate products and are there different prices ???

Now you know what the drug company's do so don't blame us for your high cost of medicine

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"oh they had to change the propellant and it's very expensive " yeh right if you lot say so i'll believe you

Didnt CFC's get phased out in the 1990's , If the USA are still paying for that , $150 per inhaller , fairly sure the propellant they use nowadays don't cost that much . The Drug manufacturers woulds have a bulk surply sorted out from Air Products or another gas surplier .
The NHS aint perfect by any means but it ain't fu-kd up enough to charge the amount you pay per inhaller

America the land of the free (to be ripped off ;-) )
no wonder most of the population there are in "therepy" and they rip you off for that to P.M.S.L

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

Yea it's a free market but don't it make you wonder if other country's pay a damn sight less than you do something might be a little bit messed up in your system in the USA ??

Company's will charge what the market can afford / willing to pay, but $150 per inhaller means that the drug company's are ripping you off ,or can't you see that
but then again spose it's the healthcare / insurance companys that pick up the tab .

edit : By the way how does a homeless person go about setting up a company to surply healthcare drugs , they're multimillion £ worldwide companys. And i ain't meaning cooking up meth before you go there !

I would call you a a-hole to your face , didn't you read the p.m i sent you ?

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

As usual these threads descend into personal attacks

It would be nice if people could just discuss, without name calling.

But I suspect it will never happen.

If you all have quite finished can we please get back on topic.

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(I'm such an a-hole for suggesting free-market capitalism and forcing people to suffer the consequences of their poor choices...)

no your not a a/h just a dumb who did not understand my post but then you are probably one of them people that listen to David willcock

So you believe it's ok to make monopoly's that continue to lie to keep there monopoly's going .

When someone is "ripping you off" it only creates an opportunity for some jobless person who knows how to produce that product cheaper and still make a profit

mm if only that was the case , it mite work like that if it wasn't for the patent system and it being manipulated .

You did go to school and get a education didn't you as I don't think you understand the so called free market you think you have over there .

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