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Hillary Clinton - the next president of America?
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
So we need to talk about Hillary. I've been watching the news and the debates and the conventions. I was impressed by what I saw at the democratic convention. Hillary is definitely the establishment candidate, she also has a record of getting things done. Whether you agree or not with what she wants to get done, she is certainly competent enough to do it and unlikely to lead the U.S. down a path of destruction. If its change you want, you just have to hope that the Bernie Saunders campaign has pulled her far enough to the left. The complaints levelled against her seem to be mostly fabricated by a panicked right wing. (read Benghazi etc which as far as I can tell was actually caused by the Republican house refusing to pass the necessary security asked for by Obama). Other complaints target her choice of attire (sexism) her 'shrill' voice (sexism) and the fact she stood by her husband when he was philandering (sexism). So the difficulty I am having figuring out Hilary is what complaints about her are because she is a woman and what are actually valid criticisms. You see her resume and she really is, as her husband pointed out, the most qualified candidate ever. She has a solid history of actually getting involved in civil rights and issued that effect the poor. In many ways she is by the far the better candidate of the two. So why do so many people hate her? Sexism? Republican hysteria? or is there some actual real valid concern about her ability to lead the USA? Reality Internet Personality |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
My "issues" with Hilary reside in my fears that she might end up a "hawkish" president and that she might be a president who is more of a fiscal conservative than I would want her to be. She is an attorney, has served the nation as First Lady, has served as a senator and has served as secretary of state. I will have no difficulty voting for her in November. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
She is an attorney, has served the nation as First Lady, has served as a senator and has served as secretary of state. Yes, I think she will be a very good President. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
My "issues" with Hilary reside in my fears that she might end up a "hawkish" president and that she might be a president who is more of a fiscal conservative than I would want her to be. No, no, no! Dull taught me she's a non-hawkish, non-fiscal conservative, liberal/socialist/pink/commie! Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
You all are hallucinating. Can't tell if you are serious or not... Reality Internet Personality |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
No, no, no! Dull taught me she's a non-hawkish, non-fiscal conservative, liberal/socialist/pink/commie! Awesome!!! Now I shall vote for her with bells on my toes!!! |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
As posted in the past. Started out believing I would be holding my nose, while voting for her. Now I will be vomiting. So you're saying that even though you don't like Hillary, Trump is so bad, that you're going to vote for her? The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
she will also be the first felon in the white house Sorry I remember Nixon, don't you? |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Can't tell if you are serious or not... Most attacks against Hillary that I have seen are not valid. I'd like someone here to post some actual concerns about her that are founded in reality. All politicians game the system, its the way the system is set up. However, I am surprised that you find her so distasteful. She has a long history of doing actual work for the civil rights movement. She attempted (and sadly failed) to get a much needed single payer health system for the US. All the accusations of illegal activity have been proved to be groundless and when she is fact checked she is found to be the far more honest candidate. I really do wonder if this is another case of a women having to be better than the best to even be considered. Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit? Reality Internet Personality |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ES since when have facts been relevant in politics? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
You all are hallucinating. SK, are you real or are you just a parody? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
You all are hallucinating. G'day Guy, where have you been hiding? Cheers. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Sexism? Republican hysteria? or is there some actual real valid concern about her ability to lead the USA? The reason is because she is a woman. Are women mistrusted in politics in other countries as well? Oh dear. Yes. Here many top female politicians have to leave because of silly mistakes. Like buying chocolate bars and diapers with your government credit card. Not to pay your fees for the TV that is mandatory here. The list is long. Does men do this silly mistakes? Of course not... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
she will also be the first felon in the white house Richard M. Nixon Warren G. Harding et. al. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
G'day Guy, where have you been hiding? Think he had to crunch a work unit to get his RAC above the posting limit. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Can't tell if you are serious or not... Unfortunately I believe he is DEADLY serious. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit? In what way is she a fraud? What has she done? Hillary, because of her gender, is no better. What do you mean? How does her gender effect your judgement of her? Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit? Its clear to me that you hold her to a far higher standard than Men. Your description of wanting to vomit at the thought of voting for what is essentially a well qualified, experienced candidate tells me that. Your acceptance of the right wing scaremongering and hysteria without question tells me that. If you held her to the same standard you wouldn't find her such a bad candidate at all. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I had forgotten how much you like to twist things and play stop-thief when someone calls you out. Despite the evidence that Hillary is very likely to be a good president, you judge her has wanting. The fact that you have so easily swallowed the vitriol levelled against her (hence you wanting to vomit) suggests to me a double standard is in place as to the qualities you expect from a female vs the qualities from a male. Feel free to prove me wrong by posting some actual, real, issues you have with her candidacy. Give examples. Otherwise I am going to assume the issue you have is with her gender. Reality Internet Personality |
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