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Message 1802067 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 12:07:43 UTC
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Andrea Leadsom quits Tory contest.
Did she also got cold feet?
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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Message 1802089 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 14:33:54 UTC - in response to Message 1802059.  

Brexit: Letter saying EU referendum result ‘not legally binding’ signed by 1000 lawyers
TO THE PRIME MINISTER AND ALL MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT

9 July 2016

Dear Prime Minister and Members of Parliament

Re: Brexit

We are all individual members of the Bars of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. We are writing to propose a way forward which reconciles the legal, constitutional and political issues which arise following the Brexit referendum.

The result of the referendum must be acknowledged. Our legal opinion is that the referendum is advisory.

The European Referendum Act does not make it legally binding. We believe that in order to trigger Article 50, there must first be primary legislation. It is of the utmost importance that the legislative process is informed by an objective understanding as to the benefits, costs and risks of triggering Article 50.

The reasons for this include the following: There is evidence that the referendum result was influenced by misrepresentations of fact and promises that could not be delivered.

Since the result was only narrowly in favour of Brexit, it cannot be discounted that the misrepresentations and promises were a decisive or contributory factor in the result.

The parliamentary vote must not be similarly affected. The referendum did not set a threshold necessary to leave the EU, commonly adopted in polls of national importance, e.g. 60% of those voting or 40% of the electorate.

This is presumably because the result was only advisory. The outcome of the exit process will affect a generation of people who were not old enough to vote in the referendum.

The positions of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar require special consideration, since their populations did not vote to leave the EU.

The referendum did not concern the negotiating position of the UK following the triggering of Article 50, nor the possibility that no agreement could be reached within the stipulated two year period for negotiation, nor the emerging reality that the Article 50 negotiations will concern only the manner of exit from the EU and not future economic relationships.

All of these matters need to be fully explored and understood prior to the Parliamentary vote. The Parliamentary vote should take place with a greater understanding as to the economic consequences of Brexit, as businesses and investors in the UK start to react to the outcome of the referendum.

For all of these reasons, it is proposed that the Government establishes, as a matter of urgency, a Royal Commission or an equivalent independent body to receive evidence and report, within a short, fixed timescale, on the benefits, costs and risks of triggering Article 50 to the UK as a whole, and to all of its constituent populations.

The Parliamentary vote should not take place until the Commission has reported. In view of the extremely serious constitutional, economic and legal importance of the vote either way, we believe that there should be a free vote in Parliament.

Yours sincerely

PHILIP KOLVIN QC

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Ok.... In the UK, the Parliament is superior to the will of the People? Gotcha.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1802092 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 14:53:53 UTC - in response to Message 1802089.  

Ok.... In the UK, the Parliament is superior to the will of the People? Gotcha.

Erh... No. It's the way the original joining was done, and to undo it then the Houses of Parliament must hold a debate, and then vote either to leave it as it is, we stay in the EU, or vote to allow a change, which would start discussions, not necessarily starting article 50. It has also been mooted that even after a leave document has been drawn up, it must be approved, which, going by the previous changes to the EU constitution, would probably be by another referendum.

Think of it as your 2nd, it isn't going to get changed without a lot fights, if ever.
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Message 1802113 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 17:08:37 UTC - in response to Message 1802089.  

Ok.... In the UK, the Parliament is superior to the will of the People? Gotcha.
Remember we left because the king was superior to the will of the people. After that they just transferred that superior will to Parliament. Much like we transferred it to POTUS, SCOTUS, Congress. Now California has direct will of the people, Propositions, and you see how well that works. :))
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Message 1802117 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 17:57:04 UTC

Now that Cameron has gone, does that
mean that all the rats have left the ship?



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Good thing no one took me up on that Maple Syrup bet eh?
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Message 1802216 - Posted: 12 Jul 2016, 13:48:02 UTC - in response to Message 1802117.  
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Now that Cameron has gone, does that
mean that all the rats have left the ship?

Cats like rats, especially Larry the Downing Street Cat who remains when Cameron leaves!
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsbeat/status/752826078952062976
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Message 1802430 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 21:24:43 UTC - in response to Message 1802216.  

Now that Cameron has gone, does that
mean that all the rats have left the ship?

Cats like rats, especially Larry the Downing Street Cat who remains when Cameron leaves!

Ah, but what about the rats leaving EUtanic?

ex-European Commissioner under fire

â—¾As Commission head he was at heart of the banking crisis and the fallout within the Eurozone.

â—¾Has said in the past Britain could not negotiate with the US and China "on an equal footing" on its own. (So he decided to lend a hand).
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Message 1802435 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 22:05:18 UTC - in response to Message 1802430.  

Yes. Perhaps another nail in the EU coffin...
- This nomination shows that the European elite which Barroso belongs to does not feel any shame, says Pedro Filipe Soares, known Portuguese leftist politicians.
Matthias Fekl, French Minister for Foreign Trade, appoints Mr Barroso to an "Obscene representative of an old Europe". His socialist colleagues in the European Parliament calling the nomination for "scandalous".
The appointment for former Commission President José Manuel Barroso to the board of financial giant Goldman Sachs has prompted EU ombudsman Emily O’Reilly to demand a rethink of the EU’s conflicts of interest rules.

O’Reilly says that any perception of wrongdoing by EU officials risks undermining public trust and damaging the bloc’s reputation at a sensitive time.

http://euranetplus-inside.eu/eu-ombudsman-wants-stricter-ethics-after-barroso-goldman-job/
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Message 1802461 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 3:04:20 UTC - in response to Message 1802435.  

Or how about this one?

€119,820 per annum + free 1st Class travel.

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Message 1802464 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 3:49:22 UTC - in response to Message 1802461.  
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CoiffeurGate:) LOL

One user posted on Hollande’s image the hair of US presidential candidate Donald Trump, with the caption;
“'Wait, what did you do to me? This isn't my hair!' 'Oh sorry, I've been Trumped'”


The internet is laughing, and the man who takes care of the hair on the head of the French head of state is laughing all the way to his banque.
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Message 1802473 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 6:18:30 UTC

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Message 1802529 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 15:13:00 UTC

Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere, people and ...

well...

apologies

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Message 1802550 - Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 16:49:32 UTC

Not to criticize, but you people are the ones
we consider to be the 'grown-ups' around here.
I am woefully under educated in English politics,
but if Mrs. May is not a Clement Attlee does that
mean she must then be an Margaret Thatcher?



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I was just askin'?......
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Message 1803105 - Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 9:33:20 UTC

Life looking good outside the EU...

Brexit can work for Britain

...unlike that bimbo in the white house with his "bottom of the queue" statement. His corporations much prefer $$$$$ to politics.
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Message 1803127 - Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 14:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 1803118.  

Sturgeon: Second independence referendum could be next year

If you read what you linked to, you're probably laughing now, if not, why aren't you?

"She has also suggested that Scotland could stay in the UK and the EU."
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Message 1803256 - Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 8:01:39 UTC

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Message 1803257 - Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 8:22:56 UTC - in response to Message 1803256.  

Don't think they'll be joining the EU anytime soon

Me neither despite Erdogan's efforts.
"We will continue to cleanse the virus from all state institutions, because this virus has spread. Unfortunately like a cancer, this virus has enveloped the state," Recep Tayyip Erdogan told mourners at a funeral in Istanbul for victims of the coup.

Oops I think Erdogan already have been caught by the virus...
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Message 1803269 - Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 11:18:14 UTC

One for Mr Snark to contemplate...

List prepared before coup

"EU commissioner Johannes Hahn has cast doubt on speed to coup arrests.
Indicated Turkey had a list of names of plotters before the coup even began."

...oops, "that didn't work out well" says Frau Merkel :-)
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Message 1803271 - Posted: 18 Jul 2016, 12:12:23 UTC - in response to Message 1803269.  
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"EU commissioner Johannes Hahn has cast doubt on speed to coup arrests.
Indicated Turkey had a list of names of plotters before the coup even began."

I wouldn't be surprised.
But Turkey is also well known for all their conspiracy theories about the government. In fact about all politicians.
And those theories can even have started a long time ago.
Most of them are pure nonsense.

btw. No country reinstating the death penalty can become a member of the EU, said EU High Representative for Foreign and Security Policy, Federica Mogherini today.
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Message 1803498 - Posted: 19 Jul 2016, 13:47:06 UTC - in response to Message 1803481.  

Not much to contemplate:

1. Albion New Albania: Brexit. > Out.

2. Turkey: If death penalty. > Out.

Get it right. No 2 not out because they were never in :-)

2: Weimar Republic > Dead

3: 3rd Reich > Dead

4 4th Reich > Flooded & no clue on how to set up defences.
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