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Message 1800983 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 23:02:50 UTC - in response to Message 1800979.  

And really going wrong.

It's called the National Debt. It should be ZERO.
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Message 1800985 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 23:20:42 UTC

So it's more true than not that you can't trust "the media" to not be biased. But here's a handy trick:

Scout out insiders you think you can trust.

And these next two I've linked to before and consider them "100% guaranteed" atm. As much as humanly possible. Oh and remember, it's one thing to gather and take notice of the info anyone provides and another to take their predictions at heart. Educated guesses are still guesses.

Nouriel Roubini

The United Kingdom’s narrow vote to leave the European Union had specific British causes. And yet it is also the proverbial canary in the coalmine, signaling a broad populist/nationalist backlash – at least in advanced economies – against globalization, free trade, offshoring, labor migration, market-oriented policies, supranational authorities, and even technological change.

All of these trends reduce wages and employment for low-skill workers in labor-scarce and capital-rich advanced economies, and raise them in labor-abundant emerging economies. Consumers in advanced economies benefit from the reduction in prices of traded goods; but low and even some medium-skill workers lose income as their equilibrium wages fall and their jobs are threatened.

In the “Brexit” vote, the fault lines were clear: rich versus poor, gainers versus losers from trade/globalization, skilled versus unskilled, educated versus less educated, young versus old, urban versus rural, and diverse versus more homogenous communities. The same fault lines are appearing in other advanced economies, including the United States and continental Europe.

Jeffrey D. Sachs

The Brexit vote was a triple protest: against surging immigration, City of London bankers, and European Union institutions, in that order. It will have major consequences. Donald Trump’s campaign for the US presidency will receive a huge boost, as will other anti-immigrant populist politicians. Moreover, leaving the EU will wound the British economy, and could well push Scotland to leave the United Kingdom – to say nothing of Brexit’s ramifications for the future of European integration.

Brexit is thus a watershed event that signals the need for a new kind of globalization, one that could be far superior to the status quo that was rejected at the British polls.


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https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/globalization-political-fault-lines-by-nouriel-roubini-2016-07
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/meaning-of-brexit-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-2016-06
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Message 1800990 - Posted: 6 Jul 2016, 0:22:47 UTC - in response to Message 1800985.  
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Scout out insiders you think you can trust.

I think most of us try.
Good links Alex, and there are people who have insight and understanding in matters.

I'm thinking of this.
The Brexit vote was a triple protest: against surging immigration, City of London bankers, and European Union institutions, in that order.

There are three kind of immigrations.
1. Refugees seeking asylum.
2. Non EU citizens seeking job and opportunities in the EU.
3. EU citizens seeking job and opportunities within the EU. Also called free movement.

Theresa May said this Sunday that the future of EU citizens in the UK is not guaranteed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cfy9HuznCk
Does she realise that the same will happen to UK citizen that have emigrated to EU countries?
There will also be a Brain Drain in the UK and the effects of Brexit has already started.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36719923

Artist Taxi Driver comment on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVza_qju9OM
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Message 1801544 - Posted: 8 Jul 2016, 12:33:41 UTC

Two English people arguing about the Brexit aftermath – a Londoner and a Geordie from Newcastle.

"Listen, regarding Brexit," says the Londoner.
"Whatever happened, happened. What's important now for England is that we remember the many things we actually agree on. (…) Just think about the many things that tie us together."

https://youtu.be/kxfY3bNvlcU
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Message 1801603 - Posted: 8 Jul 2016, 18:52:44 UTC - in response to Message 1801544.  

Two English people arguing about the Brexit aftermath – a Londoner and a Geordie from Newcastle.

"Listen, regarding Brexit," says the Londoner.
"Whatever happened, happened. What's important now for England is that we remember the many things we actually agree on. (…) Just think about the many things that tie us together."

https://youtu.be/kxfY3bNvlcU

That wasn't a Londoner, that guy would have had to be the translator between a Geordie and a Cockney.
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Message 1801623 - Posted: 8 Jul 2016, 21:05:33 UTC - in response to Message 1801603.  

That wasn't a Londoner, that guy would have had to be the translator between a Geordie and a Cockney.

But how many people speak with a London dialect today like Michael Caine for instance?

Anyway.
It's look like the division between London and the rest of England has become bigger over time.
My sister have lived in England for about 40 years.
First in London then Liverpool the last 25.
Now when she is visiting London again she feels like going abroad.
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Message 1801628 - Posted: 8 Jul 2016, 21:43:15 UTC - in response to Message 1801623.  

That wasn't a Londoner, that guy would have had to be the translator between a Geordie and a Cockney.

But how many people speak with a London dialect today like Michael Caine for instance?

Anyway.
It's look like the division between London and the rest of England has become bigger over time.
My sister have lived in England for about 40 years.
First in London then Liverpool the last 25.
Now when she is visiting London again she feels like going abroad.

You are right, these days a Londoner speaks with a foreign accent. Only 45% of London's population is white British. How many of them were born in London or outside London, I don't know, but I do know because I have 2 family members living there. One born in Lancashire of Lancastrian stock, one in Leicestershire neither of her parents were from Leicestershire or London.
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Message 1801642 - Posted: 8 Jul 2016, 23:13:46 UTC - in response to Message 1801628.  
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You are right, these days a Londoner speaks with a foreign accent. Only 45% of London's population is white British. How many of them were born in London or outside London, I don't know, but I do know because I have 2 family members living there. One born in Lancashire of Lancastrian stock, one in Leicestershire neither of her parents were from Leicestershire or London.

Funny you say foreign accent.
Geordie, Scouse, Cornish and Yorkshire dialects and others are perhaps foreign:)
And thats only England!
There are those speaking those dialects in London but over time they start to speak with a London accent that is very neutral.
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Message 1801643 - Posted: 8 Jul 2016, 23:14:20 UTC - in response to Message 1801512.  

Forget Britain, Europe has a lot worse to worry about.

"It is particularly disgraceful that some Central European leaders seem to take their cues from xenophobic populists in Germany."

Is Merkel losing her grip

Germany falters & France on it's own will never be able to maintain unity within the Eurozone.
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Message 1801647 - Posted: 8 Jul 2016, 23:57:50 UTC - in response to Message 1801643.  

Forget Britain, Europe has a lot worse to worry about.
"It is particularly disgraceful that some Central European leaders seem to take their cues from xenophobic populists in Germany."
Is Merkel losing her grip

So now it's Merkel's fault that so many refugees are coming to Europe!
Sigh...
Ok. Let's build Fortress Europe and we will live happily ever after...
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Message 1801648 - Posted: 9 Jul 2016, 0:07:08 UTC - in response to Message 1801647.  

Forget Britain, Europe has a lot worse to worry about.
"It is particularly disgraceful that some Central European leaders seem to take their cues from xenophobic populists in Germany."
Is Merkel losing her grip

So now it's Merkel's fault that so many refugees are coming to Europe!
Sigh...
Ok. Let's build Fortress Europe and we will live happily ever after...

If you kept up in the news in Europe, you will have found that it is Germans talking about Merkel's policy.

That can be linked directly to Brexit.
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Message 1801649 - Posted: 9 Jul 2016, 0:15:53 UTC - in response to Message 1801648.  

If you kept up in the news in Europe, you will have found that it is Germans talking about Merkel's policy.
That can be linked directly to Brexit.

Yes it is Germans talking about Merkel's policy.
Are anybody surprised?
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Message 1801801 - Posted: 9 Jul 2016, 19:50:23 UTC

By the SPIEGEL Staff

"Whether they are fans of Donald Trump, supporters of Brexit or Marine Le Pen voters in France, "angry voters" have one thing in common: They've been left in the dust by globalization."*

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-the-era-of-the-angry-voter-is-upon-us-a-1101438.html

(Part one of two. Link to page 2 at the bottom of the article)
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Message 1801854 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 0:01:46 UTC - in response to Message 1798736.  

Oliver Cromwell was once asked in despair by a rich man why the forest protected the poor. He said: 'That same forest protects you from them'...

Rudgard Kipling noted after his time in the NWFP (North West Frontier Province of India - Now Pakistan) that 'fences make good neighbours'...

Not sure that any of these ideas are true but if we love our humanity and want to make the world a better place we have to stand for everyone even if we have different cultural, social or political perspective.

I note that there has been a strong increase in hate crime in Britain since the referendum.

Shame on us.
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Message 1801978 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 19:22:43 UTC - in response to Message 1801849.  

And rats keep abandoning the sinking ship: Cameron, Johnson, Farage... UKIP leadership: Paul Nuttall rules out bid to replace Nigel Farage

It's the rats that remain on-board that are more dangerous.
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Message 1801984 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 19:38:02 UTC - in response to Message 1801983.  

Funny that you concentrate on such a little party while the rats feast on the carcass.
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Message 1801986 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 19:45:48 UTC

...meanwhile, the rats continue to argue amongst themselves trying to decide who gets the most meat...

"Meanwhile, the Sunday Times said some 20 MPs are ready to form a breakaway party if Mrs Leadsom is elected as leader over Home Secretary Theresa May, and reported that some of Mrs Leadsom's colleagues have called on her to stand down from the leadership race."

"Black ops" against Leadsom

Eagle ready to pounce

Heal Labour? Good luck with that
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Message 1802017 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 0:03:48 UTC - in response to Message 1802003.  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/08/brexit-causes-resurgence-in-pro-eu-leanings-across-continent

Brexit causes resurgence in pro-EU leanings across continent

Establishment parties in Germany and the Netherlands enjoy surprising gains while the far-right suffers in the polls

Funny things polls...

...they said the Remain mob would win.
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Message 1802039 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 4:02:49 UTC

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36758686
Berlin riot: 123 police injured in anti-gentrification protest

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Message 1802059 - Posted: 11 Jul 2016, 9:56:56 UTC

Brexit: Letter saying EU referendum result ‘not legally binding’ signed by 1000 lawyers
TO THE PRIME MINISTER AND ALL MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT

9 July 2016

Dear Prime Minister and Members of Parliament

Re: Brexit

We are all individual members of the Bars of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. We are writing to propose a way forward which reconciles the legal, constitutional and political issues which arise following the Brexit referendum.

The result of the referendum must be acknowledged. Our legal opinion is that the referendum is advisory.

The European Referendum Act does not make it legally binding. We believe that in order to trigger Article 50, there must first be primary legislation. It is of the utmost importance that the legislative process is informed by an objective understanding as to the benefits, costs and risks of triggering Article 50.

The reasons for this include the following: There is evidence that the referendum result was influenced by misrepresentations of fact and promises that could not be delivered.

Since the result was only narrowly in favour of Brexit, it cannot be discounted that the misrepresentations and promises were a decisive or contributory factor in the result.

The parliamentary vote must not be similarly affected. The referendum did not set a threshold necessary to leave the EU, commonly adopted in polls of national importance, e.g. 60% of those voting or 40% of the electorate.

This is presumably because the result was only advisory. The outcome of the exit process will affect a generation of people who were not old enough to vote in the referendum.

The positions of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar require special consideration, since their populations did not vote to leave the EU.

The referendum did not concern the negotiating position of the UK following the triggering of Article 50, nor the possibility that no agreement could be reached within the stipulated two year period for negotiation, nor the emerging reality that the Article 50 negotiations will concern only the manner of exit from the EU and not future economic relationships.

All of these matters need to be fully explored and understood prior to the Parliamentary vote. The Parliamentary vote should take place with a greater understanding as to the economic consequences of Brexit, as businesses and investors in the UK start to react to the outcome of the referendum.

For all of these reasons, it is proposed that the Government establishes, as a matter of urgency, a Royal Commission or an equivalent independent body to receive evidence and report, within a short, fixed timescale, on the benefits, costs and risks of triggering Article 50 to the UK as a whole, and to all of its constituent populations.

The Parliamentary vote should not take place until the Commission has reported. In view of the extremely serious constitutional, economic and legal importance of the vote either way, we believe that there should be a free vote in Parliament.

Yours sincerely

PHILIP KOLVIN QC

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