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Message 1799607 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 11:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 1799605.  

LOL, well somebody has to replace Britain.
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Message 1799608 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 11:54:25 UTC

Talk about getting Cold Feat.
Ex-London mayor Boris Johnson has ruled himself out of the race to be the next Conservative leader and prime minister.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36672591
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Message 1799609 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 11:57:49 UTC

Wonder if there will be a suitable one on December 1st for the U.S.

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Message 1799611 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 12:16:24 UTC - in response to Message 1799610.  

Just for you -)
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Message 1799613 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 12:28:50 UTC - in response to Message 1799610.  

Talk about getting Cold Feat.

Indeed. Also, where did Sirius B lose his UK flag, btw?

And, anyway: congratulations to Sweden, a member nation of the European Union.

I hope that the Union Jack doesn't look like this today...


The UN Security Council...
Are there any countries listening to them?
It's not like when Dag Hammarskjöld hold the helm.
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Message 1799614 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 12:50:42 UTC

Maybe it might be an option? Can't do any worse that the mob currently failing :-)

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Message 1799623 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:28:38 UTC

After reading this, I thought we were being governed by Sinn Fein.

"There are suspicions across Westminster that George Osborne and David Cameron's ambitions to stop Boris Johnson are behind this.

It won't be clear for some time, if ever, if that is really the case. But two things are clear already - the chaos of this morning is a bonus for the Home Secretary, Theresa May's (so far) calm campaign, and the aftermath of the referendum has poisoned new seeds of bitterness inside the Conservatives."

No thoughts whatsoever for the country but themselves!

The literal translation of Sinn Fein is "ourselves" or "We ourselves"
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Message 1799627 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 1799623.  

After reading this, I thought we were being governed by Sinn Fein.
"There are suspicions across Westminster that George Osborne and David Cameron's ambitions to stop Boris Johnson are behind this.
It won't be clear for some time, if ever, if that is really the case. But two things are clear already - the chaos of this morning is a bonus for the Home Secretary, Theresa May's (so far) calm campaign, and the aftermath of the referendum has poisoned new seeds of bitterness inside the Conservatives."
No thoughts whatsoever for the country but themselves!
The literal translation of Sinn Fein is "ourselves" or "We ourselves"

Let me think...
Are Sinn Fein led by Mr Cold Feat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLiTkGaQumk
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Message 1799632 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:37:29 UTC - in response to Message 1799627.  

Nein, seine Aufgabe ist politischer Berater von Herrn Trump. So hatte Herr Trump besser auffrischen auf seiner deutschen denn wenn er sich mit Frau Merkel.

Er wird einen harten Job bei dem Versuch, sie abzureißen.
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Message 1799636 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:45:54 UTC - in response to Message 1799634.  

Whenever any European couldn't get their own way, they "propagandised" enough to cause major tensions throughout Europe that the only way forward to get their way was war.

Nice to see that Europe still acting that dumb.
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Message 1799645 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:56:44 UTC - in response to Message 1799583.  

In the European Parliament, there are international political groups. Many colours, many shades, many views, many combinations, many compromises.

http://www.itsyourparliament.eu/groups/

Life, world and the EU are not as simplistic as "us vs. them", "Sweden vs. the rest of the world", "Tories vs. Labour", "donkey vs. elephant", "black and white".


I know you're suffering from a bad case of collective narcissism forcing you to bark whenever someone attacks your precious Germany but hey... when a country's politicians are stubbornly hell bent on forcing their will on whole continent, weeell most people tend to get a bit pissy. Apparently a lot of humans abhor being evangelized to, patronized, and - worst of all - utterly incapable of voting the psycho-primadonnas OUT. If Merkel is to rule Europe, then Europeans get to vote her in or our (not just Germans). You've made it abundantly clear you think this type of "democracy" is the bees-knees but like I've said before... I think you think you are a lot smarter than you actually are.

Because not only are you defending a deranged status quo that essentially boils down to:
Texas is and will be the only state allowed to vote for a US president

But by dropping this link here:
http://www.itsyourparliament.eu/groups/
...you're advertising the fact (and this is very much a fact)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party#National_legislatures

...that all the LOSERS in Europe ganged together and somehow managed to take over Europe. This deserves your full flag-waving efforts?

Sorry Snark but the king is naked AND batsh*t crazy. And by no-ones definition does any of this mess constitute a democracy. Which is why it's falling apart.

No-one's banging on the doors to get in. However a lot of people are running for the doors...

Your dialectics need a bit of a tune-up.
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Message 1799647 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 14:02:14 UTC - in response to Message 1799632.  

Nein, seine Aufgabe ist politischer Berater von Herrn Trump. So hatte Herr Trump besser auffrischen auf seiner deutschen denn wenn er sich mit Frau Merkel.

Er wird einen harten Job bei dem Versuch, sie abzureißen.

Herrn Merkel kann Englisch sprechen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGZWR5S1lCo
Das Gleiche gilt für Putin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpON_s5NjZM
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Message 1799651 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 14:15:33 UTC
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Rather than name calling and playground antics, (which just results in hidden posts) is there any chance of constructive discussion.

The UK has made a choice the thread is titled "The Way Ahead"

How about discussing that
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Message 1799656 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 14:29:11 UTC

Thanks guys. Sorry for giving you extra work. As Bernie said & which I posted some time early in the thread regarding the wind. It doesn't seem like the world wants to go forward.

To borrow from a couple of other threads: -

If the U.S federal government announced tomorrow that ALL states were to implement their new law tomorrow which was to collect all weapons held in non military hands, there would be a massive uprising within minutes throughout the States.

It's being said that Hilary must GO. Can't comment on that, but who's left to take control in November? Trump?

Apply those 2 statements to the EU & Britain. We don't have the weapons so the next best thing was to take back control.

The one thing which was not expected that arose from Brexit, was our own political system imploding.

Trump succeeds, what chance that happening there?
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Message 1799659 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 14:40:25 UTC - in response to Message 1799656.  

The one thing which was not expected that arose from Brexit, was our own political system imploding.
Trump succeeds, what chance that happening there?

Well Boris "Bojo" has left the building.
The struggle over who will become the new party leader and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has developed into pure Shakespeare drama.
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Message 1799750 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 22:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 1798517.  
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Apologies, kept meaning to post this days ago but too much news and too little time for the forums :)

That's why you've been hearing the words "EU" and "reform" of late from the nervous mouths of some you'd least expect, such as Germany's Angela Merkel, and Donald Tusk.


Since everyone appears to be calling Hollande a Merkel "sidekick" I guess one could make the case that Sarkozy was France's last real president. A power-crazed weirdo no-doubt but at least there was the illusion that it wasn't just Germany calling the shots.

8:55 p.m.

Former French President Nicolas Sarkozy has put forth a dramatic proposal to change some of the European Union's basic machinery.

Sarkozy suggested Friday the EU should create a new treaty, a new borderless travel accord and trim the reach of technocrats in the bloc.

Sarkozy, a conservative, said in a declaration that a re-founding of the EU is needed after the British referendum to leave.

"The British message is exploding in the face of all European governments," Sarkozy said.

He said he wants to replace the Treaty of Lisbon that he signed off on and that took effect after years of laborious negotiations in December 2009.

Sarkozy also wants a redo of the borderless Schengen accords with a "Schengen 2" that limits free circulation to European citizens only. He also wants a European monetary fund to "assure the independence of Europe which has no need for the IMF to deal with its internal affairs."

Presenting his map for a reformed EU of 27 member states, he pressed "pillars" he leaned on as French president from 2007-2012 to keep the far right at bay — European civilization, a European identity and culture, and added a reduction in the EU's often dreaded technocracy.

"We no longer want a technocratic Europe. Democracy has rules," said Sarkozy.


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Weird, huh? Almost sounds like a confession... But wait, there's more!

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12:15 p.m.

Germany's foreign minister says the European Union must avoid falling into hysteria or shock after British voters decided to leave.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier said as he arrived Friday at a meeting with EU counterparts: "What matters now is that we keep Europe together."

He said that officials don't yet have answers to all the questions that arise from the British vote, but that people want the EU to respond to the problems they see.

Steinmeier says leaders should focus on finding "common European solutions where they are missing" — for example to the migrant crisis and doing more to boost jobs and growth.

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12:10 p.m.

Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders said Friday that "what we have to do here is not business as usual, but look at the real concerns of citizens."

Koenders warned of two short-term dangers: "those who want to take Europe apart, and the others saying we have to all at once go to even more Brussels, even more integration."

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12:10 p.m.

Austria's chancellor says Britain's decision to leave the EU shows the necessity for reforms, particularly in boosting European economies, stemming unemployment and improving working conditions.

Christian Kern says the EU needs "a reform process with a clear direction" that will be supported by citizens of member countries.

His statement issued Thursday says such themes must be discussed in Brussels but adds national governments must also provide input "because we have now seen how quickly people's trust in the EU can be lost."

Rising disenchantment with the EU in Austria contributed to the strong showing last month of a euroskeptic populist candidate who came within a few percentage points of winning presidential elections.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article85703287.html


TL;DR OMG!OMG!! There are ACTUAL PEOPLE living in the EU! Stop the Press! :P
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Message 1799755 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 22:16:13 UTC - in response to Message 1799750.  


TL;DR OMG!OMG!! There are ACTUAL PEOPLE living in the EU! Stop the Press! :P

Tut tut tut Alex :-( Shame on you! Most of them in Britain & Greece :-)
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Message 1799788 - Posted: 1 Jul 2016, 0:18:15 UTC - in response to Message 1799423.  

Another problem is of course that Germany and France always want to dictate us other EU members.

So you allow this?!!

What do you think?
Sweden has 20 MEPs, with 1.7% of the seats in the EU Parliament.
Do they have a realistic opportunity to influence the EU, and are the rest of the EU even listening to us or are we run over?

You signed up knowing this?!!


Oh it gets worse:

United States federal budget

The federal budget is prepared by the Office of Management and Budget, and submitted to Congress for consideration. Invariably, Congress makes many and substantial changes. Nearly all American states are required to have balanced budgets, but the federal government is allowed to run deficits.

United Kingdom

The budget is prepared by the Treasury team led by the Chancellor of the Exchequer and is presented to Parliament by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on Budget Day. It is customary for the Chancellor to stand on the steps of Number 11 Downing Street with his or her team for the media to get photographic shots of the Red Box, immediately prior to them going to the House of Commons. Once presented in the House of Commons it is debated and then voted on. Minor changes may be made however with the budget being written and presented by the party with the majority in the House of Commons (the Government), the Whips will ensure that is it passed as written by the Chancellor.

Europe

The Eurogroup has emerged as a key body in the EU's evolving economic governance... yet it is democratically accountable to no one.

Legally-speaking the monthly forum for eurozone finance ministers has a narrow remit: It is not an EU institution and it cannot adopt legally binding decisions.

Rene Repasi, a professor at Leiden University, notes the transparency vacuum in which the Eurogroup operates.

"There is a no legal obligation of the Eurogroup to inform the public or other institutions about its activities. There are no transparency rules for the Eurogroup. There are no minutes of its meetings."

Speaking to MEPs in the constitutional affairs committee on Tuesday (5 May), Repasi also pointed out that Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Eurogroup president, is "not obliged" to appear in front of any parliamentary body nor does he have to worry about any "consequences" if the Eurogroup makes a bad decision.

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C'mon, say it! We all want to hear it ;)
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Message 1799794 - Posted: 1 Jul 2016, 0:39:31 UTC - in response to Message 1799788.  
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The Eurogroup has emerged as a key body in the EU's evolving economic governance... yet it is democratically accountable to no one.

Legally-speaking the monthly forum for eurozone finance ministers has a narrow remit: It is not an EU institution and it cannot adopt legally binding decisions.

Rene Repasi, a professor at Leiden University, notes the transparency vacuum in which the Eurogroup operates.

"There is a no legal obligation of the Eurogroup to inform the public or other institutions about its activities. There are no transparency rules for the Eurogroup. There are no minutes of its meetings."

Speaking to MEPs in the constitutional affairs committee on Tuesday (5 May), Repasi also pointed out that Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Eurogroup president, is "not obliged" to appear in front of any parliamentary body nor does he have to worry about any "consequences" if the Eurogroup makes a bad decision.

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C'mon, say it! We all want to hear it ;)

Eurogroup
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/eurogroup/
Luckily Sweden is not in the Eurozone.
But for how long when the EU starts demanding us to join it?
What ever happened to democracy?

And to transparency?
Here we treasure it very well.
We can even see what politicians are eating for lunch and if they are trying to hide expenses on tax payers money.
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Message 1799802 - Posted: 1 Jul 2016, 0:59:31 UTC - in response to Message 1799794.  

Apologies Janne! I meant to say:

"C'mon Gary, say it! We ALL want to hear it!"

:D

Luckily Sweden is not in the Eurozone.


Yes! Unfortunately Greece was dumb enough to adopt the euro, and (double-unfortunately) the EZ was dumb enough to let 'em.
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