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Message 1799166 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 5:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 1799161.  

Nice opinion commentary. That's as masterful as US party politics.

The contagion has blossomed and spread its pollen spoor all over Europe. All those grand designs for a United States of Europe are nothing but toilet paper today. If they try and implement, the machines of war will rumble across the continent yet again.

For anything to move forward, Germany will have to have no more power than Greece does in Brussels.
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Message 1799182 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 8:00:20 UTC
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All I can say is that Nicholas Clegg & the rest of the Liberal Democrats are bending over kissing their butts, glad they got ousted last May.

I'm surprised that they haven't piped up with this: -

"Had we still been in coalition, this wouldn't have happened".

As it is, the shock wave is still rippling outwards.

We have Corbyn telephoning Ikea requesting a new cabinet be delivered, Cameron off to Panama after his visit to Brussels to check on his offshore accounts & with all the hulabaloo over the NHS, we now have master Hunt considering standing for the leadership of the Tories.

As for the EU being undemocratic? What was the first thing said by many on Friday morning?

"We will stop others from exiting".
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Message 1799208 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 12:41:56 UTC - in response to Message 1799207.  

& from the same paper...

US "urges" the UK & EU to "divorce amicably"

All these statesmen & women, experts & the like, WTH were they in 2008 when the banking fatcats caused a global financial meltdown?

A country decides to leave a corrupt organisation & the furore...

...Unbelievable.
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Message 1799212 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 13:25:45 UTC - in response to Message 1799208.  
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A country decides to leave a corrupt organisation & the furore...
...Unbelievable.

This is also unbelievable.
It looks almost like Britain think it will be as before, except that they should not pay a fee.
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Message 1799215 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 13:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 1799212.  

Why should they? The EU's GDP is declining year in year out. Britain has to pay a fee, well enough, we'll pay it. However for you to continue trading with us, our tariffs just went up a little higher than the fee.

Europe exports more to us than we export to Europe.

Europe wants a level playing field, you can have it, just don't dictate to us. What's hard to understand about that?
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Message 1799217 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 13:39:28 UTC - in response to Message 1799212.  

A country decides to leave a corrupt organisation & the furore...
...Unbelievable.

This is also unbelievable.
It looks almost like Britain think it will be as before, except that they should not pay a fee.

and BINGO was his NAME-O!

I urge the EU to place the UK on the no trade list! Expel all the ex-pats! Send them packing. Control the contagion by making an example of them. Hurry and void all those pre-EU trade agreements so there is nothing to fall back on. Get it done before they declare 50.
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Message 1799218 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 13:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 1799217.  

LOL, the fatcats of Europe will come gunning for you.
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Message 1799225 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 14:17:11 UTC - in response to Message 1799215.  
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Why should they? The EU's GDP is declining year in year out. Britain has to pay a fee, well enough, we'll pay it. However for you to continue trading with us, our tariffs just went up a little higher than the fee.
Europe exports more to us than we export to Europe.
Europe wants a level playing field, you can have it, just don't dictate to us. What's hard to understand about that?

Germany exports more to the UK then they import and are a big trade partner.
Another problem is of course that Germany and France always want to dictate us other EU members.

Forgot. There are almost as many who wants to stay in the EU as those who want to leave.
The regions Greater London, Scotland and Northern Ireland (and Gibraltar) wants to stay.
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Message 1799249 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 16:11:02 UTC - in response to Message 1799225.  
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Another problem is of course that Germany and France always want to dictate us other EU members.

So you allow this?!!
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Message 1799253 - Posted: 28 Jun 2016, 23:29:18 UTC - in response to Message 1799218.  

LOL, the fatcats of Europe will come gunning for you.

Would that be the criminal fatcats such as this person
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Message 1799332 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 10:55:08 UTC

Poor Sturgeon. Well one bandwagon jumper got told in clear terms: -

"The President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz says he listened and learned during his morning meeting with Nicola Sturgeon in Brussels.

And speaking after a brief meeting with Scotland's First Minister, the leader of the party of European socialists in the European Parliament Gianni Pitella said he was "sympathetic" to Scotland's situation, but this that this was an issue to be solved within the UK."
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Message 1799358 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 14:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 1799249.  
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Another problem is of course that Germany and France always want to dictate us other EU members.

So you allow this?!!

What do you think?
Sweden has 20 MEPs, with 1.7% of the seats in the EU Parliament.
Do they have a realistic opportunity to influence the EU, and are the rest of the EU even listening to us or are we run over?
It's the same for all of us smaller countries in the EU.


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Message 1799367 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 14:40:44 UTC

Denmark
The close relationship between Denmark, Sweden and the UK raises the likelihood that Brexit will be followed by referendums in those two countries.

France
'I would vote for Brexit, even if I think that France has 1,000 more reasons to leave than the UK,' she said, referring to the EU as 'decaying'.

Italy
Polls have revealed that 48 per cent of Italians believe they would be better off out of the EU, and would vote to leave given the opportunity.

Netherlands
Following the Brexit vote, he tweeted, 'hurrah for the Brits! Now it's our turn. time for a Dutch referendum!'

Austria
Austria has a large Eurosceptic movement, as was demonstrated when Norbert Hofer, the far-Right populist candidate, came within a hair's breadth of winning the presidency. His party, the FPÖ, has experienced a surge in support in recent months.

Czech Republic
The Czech prime minister, Bohuslav Sobotka, has warned that a Brexit could trigger a 'Czexit'.

Greece
Economists have predicted that Greece could exit the Eurozone altogether now that the UK has voted Brexit.

Spain
Spanish woes have not yet given rise to a Eurosceptic party.

Poland
Brexit is seen as wholly bad for Poland,

Hungary
Hungary is one of the most Eurosceptic countries in Europe.

Ireland
As Britain's closest neighbour, pro-Europe Ireland will inevitably be caught up in the economic turmoil that will dominate at least in the short term after Brexit.

So a message for Herr Juncker, make that 9 litres of booze tonight -)
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Message 1799370 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 15:01:19 UTC

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/opinion/marine-le-pen-after-brexit-the-peoples-spring-is-inevitable.html


IF there’s one thing that chafes French pride, it’s seeing the British steal the limelight. But in the face of real courage, even the proudest French person can only tip his hat and bow. The decision that the people of Britain have just made was indeed an act of courage — the courage of a people who embrace their freedom.

Brexit won out, defeating all forecasts. Britain decided to cast off from the European Union and reclaim its independence among the world’s nations. It had been said that the election would hinge solely on economic matters; the British, however, were more insightful in understanding the real issue than commentators like to admit.

British voters understood that behind prognostications about the pound’s exchange rate and behind the debates of financial experts, only one question, at once simple and fundamental, was being asked: Do we want an undemocratic authority ruling our lives, or would we rather regain control over our destiny? Brexit is, above all, a political issue. It’s about the free choice of a people deciding to govern itself. Even when it is touted by all the propaganda in the world, a cage remains a cage, and a cage is unbearable to a human being in love with freedom.

The European Union has become a prison of peoples. Each of the 28 countries that constitute it has slowly lost its democratic prerogatives to commissions and councils with no popular mandate. Every nation in the union has had to apply laws it did not want for itself. Member nations no longer determine their own budgets. They are called upon to open their borders against their will.

...

One thing is certain: Britain’s departure from the European Union will not make the union more democratic. The hierarchical structure of its supranational institutions will want to reinforce itself: Like all dying ideologies, the union knows only how to forge blindly ahead. The roles are already cast — Germany will lead the way, and France will obligingly tag along.

Here is a sign: President François Hollande of France, Prime Minister Matteo Renzi of Italy and acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy of Spain take their lead directly from Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, without running through Brussels. A quip attributed to Henry Kissinger, “Who do I call if I want to call Europe?” now has a clear answer: Call Berlin.

So the people of Europe have but one alternative left: to remain bound hand-and-foot to a union that betrays national interests and popular sovereignty and that throws our countries wide open to massive immigration and arrogant finance, or to reclaim their freedom by voting.

Calls for referendums are ringing throughout the Continent. I myself have suggested to Mr. Hollande that one such public consultation be held in France. He did not fail to turn me down. More and more, the destiny of the European Union resembles the destiny of the Soviet Union, which died from its own contradictions.

The People’s Spring is now inevitable! The only question left to ask is whether Europe is ready to rid itself of its illusions, or if the return to reason will come with suffering. I made my decision a long time ago: I chose France. I chose sovereign nations. I chose freedom.

https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1799375 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 15:23:55 UTC - in response to Message 1799370.  

Hmmm.
Marine Le Pen, leader of the French far-right party Front National...
Front National is partly sponsored by Russia...
But this time she make sense.
Each of the 28 countries that constitute it has slowly lost its democratic prerogatives to commissions and councils with no popular mandate.


I hope however that Marine will not be stronger because of Brexit.
That would be bad for Europe, EU or not.
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Message 1799413 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 18:07:44 UTC - in response to Message 1799408.  

Oui, monsieur, mais les pays européens ont: -
conseillers municipaux
maires
constituences locaux du parti
Suivi par
Les députés de toutes les saveurs
ministres du gouvernement
secrétaires
premier ministre
Ajouté par
Commission européenne (Gestapo)
Parlement européen (SS)
Dirigée par cher vieux Adolf lui-même

Pour couronner le tout, le maréchal Pétain lui-même préconise maintenant que "Little Britain" est plus avec nous, l'anglais ne devrait plus être parlée en Europe.
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Message 1799422 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 18:36:01 UTC
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Accept the THEM or else ...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_EU?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-29-10-53-16

Wasn't this why you voted leave in the first place?

Time to put your money where your mouth is!
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Message 1799423 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 18:37:22 UTC - in response to Message 1799358.  

Another problem is of course that Germany and France always want to dictate us other EU members.

So you allow this?!!

What do you think?
Sweden has 20 MEPs, with 1.7% of the seats in the EU Parliament.
Do they have a realistic opportunity to influence the EU, and are the rest of the EU even listening to us or are we run over?

You signed up knowing this?!!
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Message 1799428 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 18:55:46 UTC - in response to Message 1799413.  
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Oui, monsieur, mais les pays européens ont: -
conseillers municipaux
maires
constituences locaux du parti
Suivi par
Les députés de toutes les saveurs
ministres du gouvernement
secrétaires
premier ministre
Ajouté par
Commission européenne (Gestapo)
Parlement européen (SS)
Dirigée par cher vieux Adolf lui-même

Pour couronner le tout, le maréchal Pétain lui-même préconise maintenant que "Little Britain" est plus avec nous, l'anglais ne devrait plus être parlée en Europe.

You forgot that Herrn Merkel dont understand french:)
Ja, Herrn, aber europäische Länder: -
Gemeinderat
Bürgermeister
Wahlkreise lokalen Partei
gefolgt von
Mitglieder aller Aromen
Minister der Regierung
Sekretäre
Bundeskanzlerin
ergänzt durch
Europäische Kommission (Gestapo)
Europäisches Parlament (SS)
Angeführt von lieben alten Adolf selbst

Zu allem, Marschall Petain selbst spricht sich nun, dass "Little Britain" mit uns ist, sollte der englischen Sprache in Europa nicht gesprochen werden.
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Message 1799432 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 19:11:29 UTC - in response to Message 1799423.  
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Another problem is of course that Germany and France always want to dictate us other EU members.

So you allow this?!!

What do you think?
Sweden has 20 MEPs, with 1.7% of the seats in the EU Parliament.
Do they have a realistic opportunity to influence the EU, and are the rest of the EU even listening to us or are we run over?

You signed up knowing this?!!

Apparantly:)
I didn't know that countries had seats according to the size of the population.
No wonder why EU has so much problem.
Germany, France, Great Britain (for now), Italy, Spain, Poland, Romania have more than 90% votes!
The rest, 22 countries, have about 10%.
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