Well it seems that the young today are too selfish. All over social media they are blaming the old for this & saying that they buggered up their futures.

I think many of them should switch off their "instant access" not only to electronic devices but their mouths & to spend an hour a day at least putting their brain cells into thinking mode.

It was the older generation at that time who fought & died for the future of their children.

The young at the time of Britain entering the EEC were to young to vote. 2 years later on the 5th June 1975 on the referendum to enter the "Social Chapter" of said EEC, many young & I was one of them voted no.

Why? Because at that time a fantastic series called the World at War was still doing the rounds. We had brain cells them days & many of the young did not trust Germany. Don't forget it was only 3 decades after WWII.

40 years later has Europe learned anything?

IMV, the answer is no.

Just in.

Biggest tax fiddling drunk of Europe makes his demands known

Currently the UK has no single official national day.
But now at last. Independance day.

I see very few if any Brits involved in this disscussion?

We have lots of national celebrations.

Our "independance day" was the first day we walked upon this fair earth.

Was it not the same for you? :)

I think we need some time of readjustment.

For better or worse we have placed ourselves on our heals and self belief.

(I also think that the British people become disaffected by their own government, powerful and rich.)

Let's see.

The Scottish politicians are already vy-ing for votes wanting a new referendum. Probably in the hope they can do a deal with Europe. Go for it Scotland..

.. and our Prime minister has already spoken to the Queen (don't ask me why) and announced his resignation. Shame on him for walking away when things get tough and I thought he was from the party that got tough when it was really needed.

The way ahead is always to stand in hope and work towards a better future.

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Well it seems that the young today are too selfish. All over social media they are blaming the old for this & saying that they buggered up their futures.

I think many of them should switch off their "instant access" not only to electronic devices but their mouths & to spend an hour a day at least putting their brain cells into thinking mode.

It was the older generation at that time who fought & died for the future of their children.

The young at the time of Britain entering the EEC were to young to vote. 2 years later on the 5th June 1975 on the referendum to enter the "Social Chapter" of said EEC, many young & I was one of them voted no.

Why? Because at that time a fantastic series called the World at War was still doing the rounds. We had brain cells them days & many of the young did not trust Germany. Don't forget it was only 3 decades after WWII.

40 years later has Europe learned anything?

IMV, the answer is no.

Lord, I loved that show, as did my Dad. We caught it in the 1980s on PBS, and tried not to miss an episode. My Dad still has the books he got to go with it.

A few years later he caught me watching another British TV show from Thames Television, heard the musical blurb as it started, and got excited that World at War was coming on again.


https://youtu.be/DuN5QiUk00E


Oh and don't forget... 'instant access' needs to also include (in the great shutoff) microwave ovens.

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Well it seems that the young today are too selfish. All over social media they are blaming the old for this & saying that they buggered up their futures.

I think many of them should switch off their "instant access" not only to electronic devices but their mouths & to spend an hour a day at least putting their brain cells into thinking mode.

It was the older generation at that time who fought & died for the future of their children.

The young at the time of Britain entering the EEC were to young to vote. 2 years later on the 5th June 1975 on the referendum to enter the "Social Chapter" of said EEC, many young & I was one of them voted no.

Why? Because at that time a fantastic series called the World at War was still doing the rounds. We had brain cells them days & many of the young did not trust Germany. Don't forget it was only 3 decades after WWII.

40 years later has Europe learned anything?

IMV, the answer is no.

An 18 year old in 1945 would be what, almost 90 now? Pretty sure it's not them that the younger pro remain supporters were blaming for the mess the UK has just brought on itself.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Yes it was a great show, but also a depressing one for a youngster back in 1973 when it first aired.

The questions that the young raised after that show were never fully answered. The one we oft got repeated to us was this: -

"It is difficult for you youngsters to understand the times we were living in. Both us & our leaders were blind to what was happening & some in actual fact were too naïve to even be in government..."

Young as we were (I was 17), it made us think.

40 odd years later, it seems that blindness & naivety are back.

Confimation of Crunchy's post :-)

8 reasons why leave won

An 18 year old in 1945 would be what, almost 90 now? Pretty sure it's not them that the younger pro remain supporters were blaming for the mess the UK has just brought on itself.

Picky I see, what about their children or the ones born during the war, or the children who grew with the austerity that blighted the nations of Europe mainly because they were practically bankrupted due to that war?

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"It is difficult for you youngsters to understand the times we were living in. Both us & our leaders were blind to what was happening & some in actual fact were too naïve to even be in government..."

An 18 year old in 1945 would be what, almost 90 now? Pretty sure it's not them that the younger pro remain supporters were blaming for the mess the UK has just brought on itself.

Picky I see, what about their children or the ones born during the war, or the children who grew with the austerity that blighted the nations of Europe mainly because they were practically bankrupted due to that war?

Your words were "fought & died for the future of their children", not the descendants thereof. Don't claim credit for your generation when it belongs to your parents. Your's is the generation that's made a mess of it for their children and grandchildren, quite unlike what your parents did for you.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Got that wrong, my parents were too young to fight & I grew up during the last of that austere period.

Most of my generation grew up constantly being told to respect your elders. Hmmm, weren't they the elders that were blind & naïve that took us into war?

If you had followed the thread carefully, you would have seen the statement regarding 1973.

So how is it the fault of my generation?

Got that wrong, my parents were too young to fight & I grew up during the last of that austere period.

Most of my generation grew up constantly being told to respect your elders. Hmmm, weren't they the elders that were blind & naïve that took us into war?

If you had followed the thread carefully, you would have seen the statement regarding 1973.

So how is it the fault of my generation?

You are likely right, but not in the way you think.

1) The WWII generation fixed things so there wouldn't be another war.
2) The kids they raised got their values beat into them.
3) Their kids did not and there wasn't a war for them to need those values.
4) Their kids have no clue.
Unfortunately that means the machines of war need to rumble across Europe again so lessons are taught by the school of hard knocks to generation 4!

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You are likely right, but not in the way you think.

1) The WWII generation fixed things so there wouldn't be another war.
2) The kids they raised got their values beat into them.
3) Their kids did not and there wasn't a war for them to need those values.
4) Their kids have no clue.
Unfortunately that means the machines of war need to rumble across Europe again so lessons are taught by the school of hard knocks to generation 4!

Thanks, that's much better.

With generation 2, many were not quite old enough to vote or have enough experience to know what they're voting for.

From the Independent, EU Referendum result: 7 graphs that explain how Brexit won

This is the text just before last graph,

Finally, and perhaps most disturbingly to Remain voters, 7 in 10 Leave voters said they thought there wasn't much in yesterday's vote.

Leave voters were three times as likely to say that as Remain voters, more than three-quarters of whom thought the wrong vote would have disastrous consequences.

Graph Title
7 in 10 Leave voters don't think this vote matters very much
Only 1 in 4 Remainers thinks the same.

As the referendum is actually only advise to the government, one would suggest it might be better to ignore that advise, as a large majority of the population didn't know what they were voting for or the consequences.

For those UK only people who think the vote is questionable then there is a UK Government and Parliament petition

You are likely right, but not in the way you think.

1) The WWII generation fixed things so there wouldn't be another war.
2) The kids they raised got their values beat into them.
3) Their kids did not and there wasn't a war for them to need those values.
4) Their kids have no clue.
Unfortunately that means the machines of war need to rumble across Europe again so lessons are taught by the school of hard knocks to generation 4!

Thanks, that's much better.

With generation 2, many were not quite old enough to vote or have enough experience to know what they're voting for.

I bet that this generation rethoric was used even in the old Greece and Roman days.
When I was young we sang.
"My Generation"

People try to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Just because we get around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN5zw04WxCc

From the Independent, EU Referendum result: 7 graphs that explain how Brexit won

This is the text just before last graph,

Finally, and perhaps most disturbingly to Remain voters, 7 in 10 Leave voters said they thought there wasn't much in yesterday's vote.

Leave voters were three times as likely to say that as Remain voters, more than three-quarters of whom thought the wrong vote would have disastrous consequences.

Graph Title
7 in 10 Leave voters don't think this vote matters very much
Only 1 in 4 Remainers thinks the same.

As the referendum is actually only advise to the government, one would suggest it might be better to ignore that advise, as a large majority of the population didn't know what they were voting for or the consequences.

When people are flip they make irrational choices. Perhaps a couple of months of shock and they may realize the choice is significant. Then buyers remorse can set in.

With the drop in Sovereign credit rating
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/s-p-prepares-u-k-ratings-downgrade-as-britain-votes-to-leave-eu
And the BOE needing to drop interest rates to ZERO to prevent inflation, the presses will be at full speed printing money. Unfortunately that will devalue more and make the credit fall further as it may be seen as a panic response.

The Fed may have to drop rates over here and not have the expected increase. That will put significant fear in the financial markets and could easily cause a crash.

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With the drop in Sovereign credit rating
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/s-p-prepares-u-k-ratings-downgrade-as-britain-votes-to-leave-eu
And the BOE needing to drop interest rates to ZERO to prevent inflation, the presses will be at full speed printing money. Unfortunately that will devalue more and make the credit fall further as it may be seen as a panic response.

The Fed may have to drop rates over here and not have the expected increase. That will put significant fear in the financial markets and could easily cause a crash.

Here the repo rate is NEGATIVE!
-0.50%
http://www.riksbank.se/en/Monetary-policy/Forecasts-and-interest-rate-decisions/Current-forecast-for-the-repo-rate-inflation-and-GDP/
Does it help?
Of course not!

Currently the UK has no single official national day.
But now at last. Independance day.

I see very few if any Brits involved in this disscussion?
We have lots of national celebrations.
Our "independance day" was the first day we walked upon this fair earth.
Was it not the same for you? :).

Not really...
Quite funny really.
We didn't have any until 1983
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Sweden
And no one knows what and why we celebrate it!
How it looks when we celebrate it.

But perhaps it will be better...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAtz8xWM0w

Follow on to my post 1798589, the full report on that Lord Ashcroft survey reported in the Independent can be seen at How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday… and why

Follow on to my post 1798589, the full report on that Lord Ashcroft survey reported in the Independent can be seen at How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday… and why

More than two thirds (69%) of leavers, by contrast, thought the decision “might make us a bit better or worse off as a country, but there probably isn’t much in it either way”.

That's what I call firm conviction...

China about Brexit.
"Europe has become the world center for museums"
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/990440.shtml

Got that wrong, my parents were too young to fight & I grew up during the last of that austere period.

Most of my generation grew up constantly being told to respect your elders. Hmmm, weren't they the elders that were blind & naïve that took us into war?

If you had followed the thread carefully, you would have seen the statement regarding 1973.

So how is it the fault of my generation?

First an apology, my previous post was a tad on the harsh side. You said you voted in 1975, making you at least 18, thus you were born at the latest of 1957, and I can see how your parents could be too young to have fought in WWII, though they must have been alive during most of it. From the data posted earlier in this thread, you are in one of the 2 age groups in which a higher proportion voted leave than remain (hence fault). On your comment about respecting elders, do you think a person should respect their elders? Your comment about the generation that were "blind and naive" might suggest otherwise.

Had I still been living in the UK, I would almost certainly have voted remain, the fact that there hasn't been another war between the larger powers in Europe (France, Germany, UK) since WWII, is likely, in part at least, a result of the EEC/EC/EU. The fact that Eire and the UK were both in Europe was likely a contributing factor in there not being a war between the two nations in the 1970s (and might explain why a majority in NI voted to remain).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...