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Message 1798994 - Posted: 27 Jun 2016, 15:14:17 UTC - in response to Message 1798984.  

Please provide link to the Petition.

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The link was in Eric's first post.

The petition was started on the 27th May and as the 30 days have elapsed and it only received 7,979 signatures out of the necessary 100,000, it has be closed and archived.
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Message 1798995 - Posted: 27 Jun 2016, 15:18:15 UTC - in response to Message 1794850.  

I just picked up on this thread. Sadly, apparently too late to sign the petition.
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Message 1799015 - Posted: 27 Jun 2016, 17:37:18 UTC

I did sign the petition, but not being an American, I have some doubts on my contribution !
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Message 1799312 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 5:51:47 UTC - in response to Message 1794850.  

Hi Eric,
The sad thing is, the USA is wasting 600 billion dollars to the military and don't have this little amount to keep Arecibo alive! Its really sad ...

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Message 1799388 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 16:39:47 UTC

A Few Dollas can't be Added to Their Structural Deficit? Obviously, Not Enuf Politicos Give A Shat 'bout Da BIG BOWL fO Dat.

No Mega Richie Riches can't Find A Few Dollas? Obviously, Not Enuf Give A Shat 'bout Dat Dirty, Rusted BIG BOWL for Dat. New, Shiny Space Stuff fO DEM.

No Poor Folks Around Da Vrold can't find a Few Dollas? Obviously, with less dan 8 Thou sigs, Not Enuf Give A Shat, 'bout Dat ET, NEO, findin' mO fO.

Fill It Full of Dirt and Grow Some Weed.

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Message 1799453 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 20:23:32 UTC

Tough to get science funding, especially for something like the search for extraterrestrial intelligence when the chairs of the science committees in both houses of Congress believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and we were uniquely placed here by a God who made us in his image, which likely precludes that he did that on other worlds since we are so special. When the Chairman of the Science and Technology Committee in the Senate brings a snowball from outside onto the Senate floor as proof that there is no global warming, science funding is in BIG trouble!
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Message 1799530 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 0:56:30 UTC

Tough to get science funding, especially for something like the search for
extraterrestrial intelligence when the chairs of the science committees in both
houses of Congress believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and we were
uniquely placed here by a God who made us in his image, which likely precludes
that he did that on other worlds since we are so special. When the Chairman of
the Science and Technology Committee in the Senate brings a snowball from
outside onto the Senate floor as proof that there is no global warming, science
funding is in BIG trouble!


Well Well Well. Heard a Few Weeks Ago, dat dere is mO Peoples stating dey Be Atheists dan People sayin' dey Are Believers.
Since dere be SO MANY Atheists, and Most, if not all atheists, are Science Believers, then, gettin' up a few millions, tens of millions or hundreds of millions to Finance and Keep Goin' Arecibo, well well well, I'd Say since dat Ain't Happenin', there must be A CRISIS of BELIEF fO deeez Athiests. Or Maybe dey be Cheapskates and Don't Put Money where their BELIEFS are.

I Know, leave it to Gubment, since dey Build Everythang; are CREATORS of Everythang; and well well well, let's Not have We The Science Believers, Believe, as Individuals, workin' As One, dey can get Anything Done.

Yeah, keep hitting hard, anyone who Believes, People Can Do Anything, ifn THEY BELIEVE.

Do You Believe in Arecibo?

I Hear dA Believers Sayin' NO NO NO. Or, mO Like, I Don't Give A Shat.

C'mon, PROVE Me Wrong, you know, like GOD can be Proved Not to Exist, 'cause I'm Seeing, Real Clear Like, dat da Proof of Arecibo NOT EXISTING, Real Soon, will be PROVED.

Nah, Gubment has a SHAT LOAD of Money to Waste. Everythang will be fine.

Got Tough?

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Message 1799539 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 1:33:42 UTC
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Why are you assuming that not buying the 6-day-6,000-year-we're-individually-handcrafted mythos = atheism? False dichotomy. The Fallacy of The Excluded Middle.

You may find more religious people reject it than accept it. Perhaps not those holding the purse strings in American politics though... at least so they claim... especially near election time.

Perhaps this is why they see SETI as a threat. Might find something upsetting (ie we aren't the end-all and be-all one-and-only... perhaps not even in the running. And the rest of the universe wasn't plopped here to give us, all 0.00000000000000000000001% of it, something pretty to look at. That kind of upsetting.)
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Message 1799545 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 2:05:25 UTC - in response to Message 1799530.  

If read a certain way, it almost looks as though your post is trying to challenge people to prove you wrong - and in the end Arecibo would be saved, showing people do care. As it is right now, you're saying not too many people are showing they care, via signatures or money donations. I agree, not too many people seem to care about old stuff anymore, only the 'new shiny' as you call it. Arecibo still has plenty of good use left, even old and rusty, if only people cared or could be motivated to care.
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Message 1799622 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:15:58 UTC

Why are you assuming that not buying the 6-day-6,000-year-we're-individually-handcrafted mythos = atheism? False dichotomy. The Fallacy of The Excluded Middle.

You may find more religious people reject it than accept it.

Mr. Kevvy...

One must understand the Intolerant Left Wing Atheists and the Intolerant Religious Right. Make the same idiotic attacks.

But, for some unfathomable reason. The Intolerant Left Wing Atheists believe they are Superior.
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Message 1799630 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 13:35:53 UTC - in response to Message 1794850.  

The petitioin has been closed and archived - please start a new petition but let everyone know ahead of time this is being started and give a "must by signed by" deadline.
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Message 1799717 - Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 18:35:19 UTC
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Missed this, wish seen it sooner, been a member since 2 Oct 2002 and love the stuff what the guys at the Arecibo do and helping with what they receive with Seti course. really hope see you all for years to come.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tmejeqbakujfl0d/Seti.JPG?dl=0
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Message 1799882 - Posted: 1 Jul 2016, 12:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 1794968.  

The Petition has been archived and no longer signable.
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Message 1800418 - Posted: 3 Jul 2016, 17:09:48 UTC

I went to sign the petition and it says it is closed because it did not reach the minimum requirement of 100,000 signatures.
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Message 1800572 - Posted: 4 Jul 2016, 4:54:51 UTC

I wouldn't worry too much about the closure of Arecibo. The Chinese are bringing a much larger and more up to date version on line soon and one of its tasks will be to search for SETI.

Our problem will be getting the US Powers-that-be to work with the Chinese, and to get rid of the effects of the brain-fart that doesn't have us working with the Chinese on the ISS.

Together, we could colonize the moon in the next decade and then proceed with the colonization of Mars shortly thereafter.

If we don't start working with the Chinese, they'll simply do it all without us, and future generations will have to show their passports to enter the Chinese colonies on the Moon/Mars.
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Message 1800750 - Posted: 4 Jul 2016, 19:04:23 UTC
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There is an article on "Nature" magazine of June 30 about fast radio bursts, an unexplained phenomenon. They were discovered in old Parkes data and confirmed in Arecibo data, two telescopes risking closure as old hardware.
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Message 1800787 - Posted: 4 Jul 2016, 21:47:01 UTC - in response to Message 1800572.  

I wouldn't worry too much about the closure of Arecibo. The Chinese are bringing a much larger and more up to date version on line soon and one of its tasks will be to search for SETI.

Our problem will be getting the US Powers-that-be to work with the Chinese


I've also been wondering if the new Chinese telescope will possibly fill the void if Arecibo is closed.
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Message 1800913 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 11:09:04 UTC - in response to Message 1800787.  
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I would not bet that Chinese scientists are interested in SETI. See also bobovitz's post in SETI@home Science section.
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Message 1800939 - Posted: 5 Jul 2016, 20:27:38 UTC - in response to Message 1800913.  

I would not bet that Chinese scientists are interested in SETI. See also bobovitz's post in SETI@home Science section.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/china-fast-telescope-1.3663443
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Message 1801048 - Posted: 6 Jul 2016, 8:53:58 UTC

Yes, it will search for life. Not necessarily intelligent life, which is the aim of SETI. China likes to go alone and I doubt FAST will provide data to SETI@home.
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