Solitary confinement and incarceration are punishments and not rehabilitation.
Isolation from society being "deported" is also a punishment.
Now, what punishment have the best propability to a convict to rehabilate?

oh-so-tasty Confinement Loaf!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOFyb9lJzNg

Solitary confinement and incarceration are punishments and not rehabilitation.

I never said either were forms of rehabilitation. Not sure where you would confuse me for stating such.

Solitary confinement and incarceration are punishments and not rehabilitation.

I never said either were forms of rehabilitation. Not sure where you would confuse me for stating such.

I was just stating against what many thinks is the best way to handle criminals.
"An eye for an eye".

People are classified as human so long as their genetics allow the classification. Actions do not change this fact.

No doubt these individuals need to pay for their crimes, and recidivous offenders are particularly dangerous. I still see no reason to reduce ourselves to their level by invoking an 'emotional' justice upon them. It is perfectly acceptable to despise their actions, but I do not think it is OK to revel in their pain.

Vengeance is mine sayeth the lord.

If you have blood lust for revenge, give him gender reassignment and make him work in a brothel.

In this case I understand he is eligible for parole. I'm a bit shocked that 22 life sentences gets one parole!

I think I would prefer a "star-trek" type of punishment, if it was possible. The offender gets to live each day from the perspective of his victim, as the victim's memories are impressed on the offenders brain.

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For those professing a penchant to torture these kinds of people, what does that say about what is inside you that you're willing to commit acts of great evil to combat evil? Certainly you're no better than the person you're torturing and your morality is screwed up if you think it is OK to treat any person as less than human for the disgusting acts they commit.

OzzFan your so much the better person than me then arn't you . Yea i would do what i posted and i'm NOT joking about that either . That person and all people who commit those type of crimes against women and children DON'T diserve anything , How can you justify they diserve anything after the sick and twisted things they do ?
Makes me feel sick just to be British when i hear about crimes and people like this . It costs £10,000's to keep someboby like this locked up for a year . Why waste that money !!!

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

All I know is that if this had happened to one of my nieces or nephews I would have no problem with executing the man by whatever means available and I am generally against capital punishment.

This incident and the contents of this thread reminds me of the movie "A Clockwork Orange". I just read there were two endings to the book. The first with one less chapter than the second was released in America where Alex suffered the full fate he deserved, the second ending had Alex reforming in the end and mending his ways.

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For those professing a penchant to torture these kinds of people, what does that say about what is inside you that you're willing to commit acts of great evil to combat evil? Certainly you're no better than the person you're torturing and your morality is screwed up if you think it is OK to treat any person as less than human for the disgusting acts they commit.

OzzFan your so much the better person than me then arn't you . Yea i would do what i posted and i'm NOT joking about that either . That person and all people who commit those type of crimes against women and children DON'T diserve anything , How can you justify they diserve anything after the sick and twisted things they do ?

I easily justify it as a necessity of the human race to treat the worst of ourselves with a certain level of dignity and compassion or we are truly no better than our criminals. My hope is that I'm not better than you, and that you can be reasoned with.

It costs £10,000's to keep someboby like this locked up for a year . Why waste that money !!!

Simply because it is better than the alternative that you're suggesting.

All I know is that if this had happened to one of my nieces or nephews I would have no problem with executing the man by whatever means available and I am generally against capital punishment.

Well that's the thing about emotional justice, Bob. This is why we have a justice system that is impartial, slow and methodic. What would our society look like if we all had the opportunity to literally kill or torture those who have wronged us?

It is perfectly natural to want to protect those we love and harm those that have harmed our loved ones. I am not saying I wouldn't have those same feelings you just typed - I would! But I shouldn't be allowed to enact upon those feelings because that's not what justice is. And in the end, I think I would feel considerably more empty and a little less human if I did. Anyone else that could do those things and not feel an ounce of remorse or feel their humanity slipped away after those actions are just as dangerous as the criminals they hate.

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It costs £10,000's to keep someboby like this locked up for a year . Why waste that money !!!

Simply because it is better than the alternative that you're suggesting.

Greetings Ozz,

So you're saying that it's better that law abiding, tax paying citizens pay to keep scum bags like him alive? I do NOT agree!

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

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"There are three kinds of criminals: criminals, damned criminals, and scum bags."

So you're saying that it's better that law abiding, tax paying citizens pay to keep scum bags like him alive? I do NOT agree!

Sounds like I don't stand a chance of changing your mind, but yes, I think cost is an economic concept for driving trade and commerce, however since everything has a cost associated with literally everything, that means there will always be a cost for incarceration. Killing criminals will do nothing to help the victim, and it will do nothing to preventing the crime from every happening again. I don't think good people should ever be in the business of killing other people, criminals or otherwise.

Ozzfan.
Have you met a remorseless murderer?
I have.
I and a friend of mine played poker with one.
It was only after the game that I was told about his history.
Rehabilitate him? No way!
It's not possible.

Rehabilitate him? No way!
It's not possible.

There are studies showing a biologic basis for criminal behavior. Those can not be rehabilitated as we can't rewire the brain.

As do this: kill them business, why not? As driving drunk is a random act of attempted murder for each person passed on the road, lets add up all those charges and make drunk driving a capital offense. Happy?

Now as to sex perverts, how about ISIL, who just burned 19 Yazidi women alive, put them in a cage, poured gas over them and lit them on fire, because they wouldn't consent to be raped?

Unfortunately we still have primitives in among us. Do primitives need primitive punishment such as an eye for an eye?

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There are studies showing a biologic basis for criminal behavior. Those can not be rehabilitated as we can't rewire the brain.

True. You can even see those patterns in brain scans.
One study a saw on TV explained it.
A funny thing is that the researcher was giving scans of his own brain by his colleagues and it turned out the he had same pattern as a serial killer:)

Do primitives need primitive punishment such as an eye for an eye?

Not in a civilized society.
Today there are not so many countries that have death penalties.

Oh. Talking of punishment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKR2E2mYP8E

Ozzfan.
Have you met a remorseless murderer?

Nope, can't say that I have. But I did meet a remorseful murderer. I knew him before he killed someone and he was as friendly a guy you could meet. Dude flipped out over a bad cocaine deal and took a hammer to the back of his dealer's head and killed him in one blow, then he freaked out after it happened. He ran to his employer's house who convinced him to turn himself in.

He screwed up big time and he needs to pay for his crime, which he's doing right now. I do feel pity for him since he was a nice guy who got himself involved in bad things.

I have.
I and a friend of mine played poker with one.
It was only after the game that I was told about his history.
Rehabilitate him? No way!
It's not possible.

I never said everyone was able to be rehabilitated. Those are the people you keep incarcerated in as humane way as possible, because it is our duty as civilized beings. Civilized people don't kill the helpless or the hopeless.

There are plenty of remorseful murderers.
I'm more concered of they who are not remorseful.
That goes for other real criminals like pedophiles and sexual abusers.
Many of them are "nice guys" according to people who knows them.
Ted Bundy for instance.
Suicid bomber Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly in Stockholm.

I'm more concered of they who are not remorseful.
That goes for other real criminals like pedophiles and sexual abusers.

I agree that the remorseless are the most concerning, but how do you know every pedophile or sexual abuser isn't remorseful? They're obviously sick, and likely it's a compulsion for them. If there are remorseful murderers, there can be remorseful pedophiles and sexual abusers too.

Civilized people don't kill the helpless or the hopeless.

We shoot horses when they break a leg.

And if you want humans, we have advance healthcare directives, or DNR orders.

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Civilized people don't kill the helpless or the hopeless.

We shoot horses when they break a leg.

I think we should start shooting humans with broken legs too, that way group insurance can start going down in cost. It's all about not paying for others, isn't it?

And if you want humans, we have advance healthcare directives, or DNR orders.

DNRs are by request of the patient.

I'm more concered of they who are not remorseful.
That goes for other real criminals like pedophiles and sexual abusers.

I agree that the remorseless are the most concerning, but how do you know every pedophile or sexual abuser isn't remorseful? They're obviously sick, and likely it's a compulsion for them. If there are remorseful murderers, there can be remorseful pedophiles and sexual abusers too.

Come to think about terrorists.
Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
Why was the US and Irak so quick to finishing them off?
In my opinion the best way would be to let them spend the rest of their lifes in some desert sh*t hole. Death Valley perhaps.