3. check out the start of "Charlie Wilson war"...who did CIA recruit & train to fight Russians! ;)

4. ISIS, ISIL...same thing, different insignia around a World!


Why?
I told you...when Langley-guys stop destabilizing Government of NATO partner!

Maybe you should write to them & ask them what are they doing? ;)

[snip]

But from time to tome "something" comes back & bite you...like the snake you left in 80's after Charlie Wilson war, bite you on 9/11!
Like ISIS is biting you back, after Iraq & Syria destabilizing...

Until your minds change, you will get the same results!
;)

Earlier you stated that, following the invasion of Iraq, the US "funded ISIL there, now it's gone rogue...didn't work out that well, did it?". In the 1980s the US (via the CIA) funded the Mujahideen in Afghanistan following the Russian invasion/occupation. It was by no means the only source of funds for this and related groups (Saudi Arabia also provided financial assistance). Al Qaeda was born in that conflict. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Afghanistan during the 1980s and founded Al Qaeda in Iraq (aka AQI) which later morphed into ISIS/ISIL.

If you have evidence showing that the US funded AQI and/or ISIS please provide it. If such evidence exists it would be somewhat bizarre, given that the AQI was opposed to the US in Iraq, indeed Colin Powell raised concerns about al-Zarqawi at the UN in February 2003.

Do you believe is was acceptable for the USSR to invade Afghanistan? Do you believe that those opposed to that invasion should not have been supported? Why do you believe that the creation of Al Qaeda is the fault of the CIA rather than the USSR or Saudi Arabia?

Like you said it: US funded the Mujaheddin!

So, you funded them, while it suited you...when it didn't, you pulled out!

What you got?

Al Qaeda bombing WTC on 1993...& then, after your report...managed to brought down the WTC on 9/11!

Sorry guys, you can't seem to recognize the pattern here...you can't make havoc in the World & then leave that place...it's not just a simple mission, but an obligation if you fund some war like Afghanistan vs. SSSR! & you don't walk out of your friends, after you don't need them...it's not a way to do it!
;)

So no blame for the USSR for invading Afghanistan in the first place, and no evidence to support your claim of US funding for ISIS/ISIL (or their precursor, AQI).

Are you trying to win a prize for hand waving?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

The US is blamed for the creation of Al Qaeda; this blame is assigned as a result of CIA support for the Mujahideen.

The U.S. did and does fund Saudi Arabia, correct?

The Saudis also funded the Mujahideen.

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen + Saudia Arabia funded the Mujahadeen = the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen. No?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

The US is blamed for the creation of Al Qaeda; this blame is assigned as a result of CIA support for the Mujahideen.

The U.S. did and does fund Saudi Arabia, correct?

The Saudis also funded the Mujahideen.

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen + Saudia Arabia funded the Mujahadeen = the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen. No?

Yes, the US funds Wahhabism for oil.

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The US is blamed for the creation of Al Qaeda; this blame is assigned as a result of CIA support for the Mujahideen.

The U.S. did and does fund Saudi Arabia, correct?

The Saudis also funded the Mujahideen.

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen + Saudia Arabia funded the Mujahadeen = the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen. No?

Yes, the US funds Wahhabism for oil.

Wahhabi'ism the ideology of ISIS, eh?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

The US is blamed for the creation of Al Qaeda; this blame is assigned as a result of CIA support for the Mujahideen.

The U.S. did and does fund Saudi Arabia, correct?

The Saudis also funded the Mujahideen.

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen + Saudia Arabia funded the Mujahadeen = the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen. No?

Yes, the US funds Wahhabism for oil.

Wahhabi'ism the ideology of ISIS, eh?

They do seem to be Sunni.

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So no blame for the USSR for invading Afghanistan in the first place, and no evidence to support your claim of US funding for ISIS/ISIL (or their precursor, AQI).

Actually, since WWII, both Russia and the U.S. are both equally to blame with their "tit for tat" acts of stupidity around the world.

Both countries have enough problems at home to fix and they should be concentrating on them instead of going around destabilising the rest of the world.

Quite frankly the U.N. would be the best way to fix world problems if those ridiculous powers of veto were totally scrapped.

That way the world has a whole would have its say instead of just the power hungry greedy ones just wanting the same old "tit for tat" acts of stupidity to continue.

Havn't these "tit for tat" acts of stupidity by power hungry countries, which have for so long dogged our world history, enough to learn from?

Can't we finally put an end to "merry-go-round" of such acts in history and just become one whole peaceful planet?

Cheers.

Can't we finally put an end to "merry-go-round" of such acts in history and just become one whole peaceful planet?

Where's the profit motive in that?

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3. check out the start of "Charlie Wilson war"...who did CIA recruit & train to fight Russians! ;)

4. ISIS, ISIL...same thing, different insignia around a World!


Why?
I told you...when Langley-guys stop destabilizing Government of NATO partner!

Maybe you should write to them & ask them what are they doing? ;)

[snip]

But from time to tome "something" comes back & bite you...like the snake you left in 80's after Charlie Wilson war, bite you on 9/11!
Like ISIS is biting you back, after Iraq & Syria destabilizing...

Until your minds change, you will get the same results!
;)

Earlier you stated that, following the invasion of Iraq, the US "funded ISIL there, now it's gone rogue...didn't work out that well, did it?". In the 1980s the US (via the CIA) funded the Mujahideen in Afghanistan following the Russian invasion/occupation. It was by no means the only source of funds for this and related groups (Saudi Arabia also provided financial assistance). Al Qaeda was born in that conflict. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Afghanistan during the 1980s and founded Al Qaeda in Iraq (aka AQI) which later morphed into ISIS/ISIL.

If you have evidence showing that the US funded AQI and/or ISIS please provide it. If such evidence exists it would be somewhat bizarre, given that the AQI was opposed to the US in Iraq, indeed Colin Powell raised concerns about al-Zarqawi at the UN in February 2003.

Do you believe is was acceptable for the USSR to invade Afghanistan? Do you believe that those opposed to that invasion should not have been supported? Why do you believe that the creation of Al Qaeda is the fault of the CIA rather than the USSR or Saudi Arabia?

Like you said it: US funded the Mujaheddin!

So, you funded them, while it suited you...when it didn't, you pulled out!

What you got?

Al Qaeda bombing WTC on 1993...& then, after your report...managed to brought down the WTC on 9/11!

Sorry guys, you can't seem to recognize the pattern here...you can't make havoc in the World & then leave that place...it's not just a simple mission, but an obligation if you fund some war like Afghanistan vs. SSSR! & you don't walk out of your friends, after you don't need them...it's not a way to do it!
;)

So no blame for the USSR for invading Afghanistan in the first place, and no evidence to support your claim of US funding for ISIS/ISIL (or their precursor, AQI).

Are you trying to win a prize for hand waving?

Did US try to overthrown Bashar al-Assad?
YES!

How?
- http://www.alternet.org/world/us-has-been-pushing-overthrow-assad-syria-10-years
- http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=13286
Hence, you did fund the ISIS...just not from State Dept., of course! ;)

Playing a double game again with CIA?
- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1/14/1178686/-How-the-US-help-put-Assad-in-power-in-Syria

You don't get much "public knowledge" of what "the Company" works outside US?! :D ;)

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The US is blamed for the creation of Al Qaeda; this blame is assigned as a result of CIA support for the Mujahideen.

The U.S. did and does fund Saudi Arabia, correct?

The Saudis also funded the Mujahideen.

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen + Saudia Arabia funded the Mujahadeen = the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen. No?

No, the Saudi Arabia funds US...has been for over 40 years! ;)

& yes, CIA (& US over "the Company") did fund Mujaheddin! Again, check your Congressional hearings & "Charlie Wilson's war"...
;)

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So no blame for the USSR for invading Afghanistan in the first place, and no evidence to support your claim of US funding for ISIS/ISIL (or their precursor, AQI).

Actually, since WWII, both Russia and the U.S. are both equally to blame with their "tit for tat" acts of stupidity around the world.

Both countries have enough problems at home to fix and they should be concentrating on them instead of going around destabilising the rest of the world.

Quite frankly the U.N. would be the best way to fix world problems if those ridiculous powers of veto were totally scrapped.

That way the world has a whole would have its say instead of just the power hungry greedy ones just wanting the same old "tit for tat" acts of stupidity to continue.

Havn't these "tit for tat" acts of stupidity by power hungry countries, which have for so long dogged our world history, enough to learn from?

Can't we finally put an end to "merry-go-round" of such acts in history and just become one whole peaceful planet?

Cheers.

+1

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The US is blamed for the creation of Al Qaeda; this blame is assigned as a result of CIA support for the Mujahideen.

The U.S. did and does fund Saudi Arabia, correct?

The Saudis also funded the Mujahideen.

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen + Saudia Arabia funded the Mujahadeen = the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen. No?

No, the Saudi Arabia funds US...has been for over 40 years! ;)

& yes, CIA (& US over "the Company") did fund Mujaheddin! Again, check your Congressional hearings & "Charlie Wilson's war"...
;)

I'm not sure anybody has made the case that the US (via the CIA) did not fund the Mujahideen, so there's little need to repeat the claim, it is not contested.

You though, continue to avoid answering the questions:

Do you believe is was acceptable for the USSR to invade Afghanistan? Do you believe that those opposed to that invasion should not have been supported? Why do you believe that the creation of Al Qaeda is the fault of the CIA rather than the USSR or Saudi Arabia?

Is your comment about US funding of ISIS:

Did US try to overthrown Bashar al-Assad?
YES!

How?
- http://www.alternet.org/world/us-has-been-pushing-overthrow-assad-syria-10-years
- http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=13286
Hence, you did fund the ISIS...just not from State Dept., of course! ;)

somehow meant to substantiate your earlier comment:

invaded Iraq...funded ISIL there, now it's gone rogue...didn't work out that well, did it?

?

If so it's not clear that it does. The US supported opponents to Bashar al-Assad, no argument there. ISIS is opposed to Bashar al-Assad, again no argument. Aren't there several groups in Syria opposed to Bashar al-Assad? Does the US support all of them?

From the Alternet.org article you linked:

ISIS was developing long before it burst into the news, its leaders organizing in U.S. prison camps in Iraq.

Are you suggesting that the "funding" the US provided to ISIL in Iraq was "room and board" while its leaders were being held in prison camps? If so, you appear to have an odd criteria for what counts as funding, though if this was the funding, would you have preferred the US let its prisoners starve?

Note, the intent here is not to suggest the US is innocent, as stated earlier, "focusing solely on the faults of the US is an over-simplification". It seems in your zeal to show how bad the US has been, you have missed the faults of anybody else involved (the USSR, Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein, etc, etc).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Are you sure about the U.N., Wiggo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fch3U2kcgPw

So no blame for the USSR for invading Afghanistan in the first place, and no evidence to support your claim of US funding for ISIS/ISIL (or their precursor, AQI).

Actually, since WWII, both Russia and the U.S. are both equally to blame with their "tit for tat" acts of stupidity around the world.

Both countries have enough problems at home to fix and they should be concentrating on them instead of going around destabilising the rest of the world.

Quite frankly the U.N. would be the best way to fix world problems if those ridiculous powers of veto were totally scrapped.

That way the world has a whole would have its say instead of just the power hungry greedy ones just wanting the same old "tit for tat" acts of stupidity to continue.

Havn't these "tit for tat" acts of stupidity by power hungry countries, which have for so long dogged our world history, enough to learn from?

Can't we finally put an end to "merry-go-round" of such acts in history and just become one whole peaceful planet?

Cheers.

---

Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

The US is blamed for the creation of Al Qaeda; this blame is assigned as a result of CIA support for the Mujahideen.

The U.S. did and does fund Saudi Arabia, correct?

The Saudis also funded the Mujahideen.

If the answer to my question above is "yes", then the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen + Saudia Arabia funded the Mujahadeen = the U.S. funded the Mujahadeen. No?

No, the Saudi Arabia funds US...has been for over 40 years! ;)

& yes, CIA (& US over "the Company") did fund Mujaheddin! Again, check your Congressional hearings & "Charlie Wilson's war"...
;)

I'm not sure anybody has made the case that the US (via the CIA) did not fund the Mujahideen, so there's little need to repeat the claim, it is not contested.

You though, continue to avoid answering the questions:

Do you believe is was acceptable for the USSR to invade Afghanistan? Do you believe that those opposed to that invasion should not have been supported? Why do you believe that the creation of Al Qaeda is the fault of the CIA rather than the USSR or Saudi Arabia?

Is your comment about US funding of ISIS:

Did US try to overthrown Bashar al-Assad?
YES!

How?
- http://www.alternet.org/world/us-has-been-pushing-overthrow-assad-syria-10-years
- http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=13286
Hence, you did fund the ISIS...just not from State Dept., of course! ;)

somehow meant to substantiate your earlier comment:

invaded Iraq...funded ISIL there, now it's gone rogue...didn't work out that well, did it?

?

If so it's not clear that it does. The US supported opponents to Bashar al-Assad, no argument there. ISIS is opposed to Bashar al-Assad, again no argument. Aren't there several groups in Syria opposed to Bashar al-Assad? Does the US support all of them?

From the Alternet.org article you linked:

ISIS was developing long before it burst into the news, its leaders organizing in U.S. prison camps in Iraq.

Are you suggesting that the "funding" the US provided to ISIL in Iraq was "room and board" while its leaders were being held in prison camps? If so, you appear to have an odd criteria for what counts as funding, though if this was the funding, would you have preferred the US let its prisoners starve?

Note, the intent here is not to suggest the US is innocent, as stated earlier, "focusing solely on the faults of the US is an over-simplification". It seems in your zeal to show how bad the US has been, you have missed the faults of anybody else involved (the USSR, Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein, etc, etc).

USSR & Afghanistan had some dispute in borders...it's the other part of the World, so why would you (USA) care?
I didn't & I don't...Afghanistan is the so far in Asia, that whatever happens there is of "no significance to Europe at all"!

As it's (even filmed) in "Charlie Wilson's war", you made sure to supply weapons only to fight communists...so it was your "greed & hate" who got you to make friends with Mujaheddin...even though, they're not culturally or in any other way type of your ally!
But as Sun Tzu say, quoted by M.Corleone:


But in CIA & USA it was friendship with Mujaheddin:



USSR had her vices...now it's dissolved! & the last time it (Russia) engaged in Georgia, US just stood still...even annex of Crimea was only watched by US & NATO...

Saudi Arabia still funds US...so would you want to go to war, over dept with your partner?

Saddam Hussein only did acts in their country & Kuwait...so that's not much! But Kuwait was important for oil, so you got to go to war over oil (price)...& it's the same with Iraq: you let Saddam Hussein live, until it started selling oil for euros...making your "petro-dollar" weak!
Same thing Gaddafi made & he was invaded & executed!


US only goes to war for business! So don't give me your bull-shit of "we're the good guys, we're the police in the World"...'cause if US was a cop, it would be Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa!
:D

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Are you sure about the U.N., Wiggo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fch3U2kcgPw

There have been many other countries that have been removed for a lot of other bad lists too Sarge and I won't say that my country isn't 1 of them either, because it is.

And so a few other U.N. processes will also need to be looked at as well, but that can be done as well. ;-)

Cheers.

USSR & Afghanistan had some dispute in borders...it's the other part of the World, so why would you (USA) care?
I didn't & I don't...Afghanistan is the so far in Asia, that whatever happens there is of "no significance to Europe at all"!

Fair enough. You don't believe that others who are able to provide assistance, should do so when it's needed?

As it's (even filmed) in "Charlie Wilson's war", you made sure to supply weapons only to fight communists...so it was your "greed & hate" who got you to make friends with Mujaheddin...even though, they're not culturally or in any other way type of your ally!
[snip]
USSR had her vices...now it's dissolved! & the last time it (Russia) engaged in Georgia, US just stood still...even annex of Crimea was only watched by US & NATO...

Hold on a second, if the US was wrong to provide assistance to Afghanistan, why would it have been right to do so for Georgia or Crimea? From a US perspective, all three are "far off lands".

Saudi Arabia still funds US...so would you want to go to war, over dept with your partner?

Please provide some data to support your claim of Saudi funding of the US.

Saddam Hussein only did acts in their country & Kuwait...so that's not much! But Kuwait was important for oil, so you got to go to war over oil (price)...& it's the same with Iraq: you let Saddam Hussein live, until it started selling oil for euros...making your "petro-dollar" weak!
Same thing Gaddafi made & he was invaded & executed!

If you were a Kuwaiti would you have thought it "not much" to have been invaded by Hussein?

US only goes to war for business! So don't give me your bull-shit of "we're the good guys, we're the police in the World"...'cause if US was a cop, it would be Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa!
:D

Please don't put words in the mouths of others. When somebody claims the US as being the "good guys", then you can make the criticism, not before.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

USSR & Afghanistan had some dispute in borders...it's the other part of the World, so why would you (USA) care?
I didn't & I don't...Afghanistan is the so far in Asia, that whatever happens there is of "no significance to Europe at all"!

Fair enough. You don't believe that others who are able to provide assistance, should do so when it's needed?

As it's (even filmed) in "Charlie Wilson's war", you made sure to supply weapons only to fight communists...so it was your "greed & hate" who got you to make friends with Mujaheddin...even though, they're not culturally or in any other way type of your ally!
[snip]
USSR had her vices...now it's dissolved! & the last time it (Russia) engaged in Georgia, US just stood still...even annex of Crimea was only watched by US & NATO...

Hold on a second, if the US was wrong to provide assistance to Afghanistan, why would it have been right to do so for Georgia or Crimea? From a US perspective, all three are "far off lands".

Saudi Arabia still funds US...so would you want to go to war, over dept with your partner?

Please provide some data to support your claim of Saudi funding of the US.

Saddam Hussein only did acts in their country & Kuwait...so that's not much! But Kuwait was important for oil, so you got to go to war over oil (price)...& it's the same with Iraq: you let Saddam Hussein live, until it started selling oil for euros...making your "petro-dollar" weak!
Same thing Gaddafi made & he was invaded & executed!

If you were a Kuwaiti would you have thought it "not much" to have been invaded by Hussein?

US only goes to war for business! So don't give me your bull-shit of "we're the good guys, we're the police in the World"...'cause if US was a cop, it would be Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa!
:D

Please don't put words in the mouths of others. When somebody claims the US as being the "good guys", then you can make the criticism, not before.

About Afghanistan:
well...what do you care about tribes that smuggle Opium for?! Unless you wanna control Opium with CIA links & bring down some SSSR machinery with your guns! Not much of a interest there in '80s, other then to spite "the cold war enemy"...
so, please be intelligence enough not to talk about: providing assistance! 'cause it wasn't an assistance...you know what assistance is in war? sending them humanitarian help (food, medicine, etc.)...call it what it was: providing interest in dispute with cold war enemy!

exactly...so, why didn't you help out Crimea & Georgia...while you wanted to help out Afghanistan in '80s & occupied it now?
'cause you needed someone to fight against SSSR in '80s...only front available was Afghanistan...you didn't care about Afghanistan people...& you didn't care about them now!
& 'cause you occupied Afghanistan to get some "special resources", which will be needed in 21st century! that's why you occupied it now...

Saudi funding US:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/revealed-saudi-arabia-using-secret-1974-us-debt-deal-to-block-the-release-of-911-information/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret
seems to me you don't know where "your debt" is? $117 billion so far...imagine what would happen to US if Saudi's come to collect all $117 billion tomorrow?!
:D

About Kuwait:
please don't be sentimental about the Kuwait, their people & bring lies again...Saudi's weren't going to brought the price of oil down in late '80s & start of '90s, so you managed to go to war & occupy Kuwait so that it can be "US oil colony"!
Even had dispute with "your own old friend" Saddam Hussein, who US put on power in Iraq...
;)

About "good guys":
somebody has brought it before in this topic...check the posts, if you don't believe me!
;)

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blaming the US for Al Qaeda is, at best, an over simplification.

Is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

Perhaps correct. So what! Just of interest to future Leaders and Historians.

Same could be said about The NAZI's. So what! Just of interest to future Leaders and Historians.

The World must do. What must be done. As was done in the past.

Wars will not end, until the past doing is kept doing...don't you see that?!
;)

Hi KLik...

Good luck 'Tweaking' the DNA of the Human Species.

BTW: If we can 'Tweak' the DNA of, let's say. 95% of the Human Species. The remaining 5%, with some evil DNA, will take power. And control the 'Good' DNA people.

Has always been. Will always be.

You are either some "hackler"...or you're on some heavy drugs!
;)

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Istanbul Ataturk airport attack.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36662684
Only a few weeks ago my sister was in Turkey on holiday, not Istanbul though.
She was surprised not seeing any armed police or military on the airport they came to...

Istanbul Ataturk airport attack.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36662684
Only a few weeks ago my sister was in Turkey on holiday, not Istanbul though.
She was surprised not seeing any armed police or military on the airport they came to...

Attacking "infidels" is one thing...but attacking "their own" - totally different!

Now you see what US has awaken, when it wanted to overthrown al-Assad!

Hope it doesn't happen again...never!
:(

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blaming the US for Al Qaeda is, at best, an over simplification.

Is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

Perhaps correct. So what! Just of interest to future Leaders and Historians.

Same could be said about The NAZI's. So what! Just of interest to future Leaders and Historians.

The World must do. What must be done. As was done in the past.

Wars will not end, until the past doing is kept doing...don't you see that?!
;)

Hi KLik...

Good luck 'Tweaking' the DNA of the Human Species.

BTW: If we can 'Tweak' the DNA of, let's say. 95% of the Human Species. The remaining 5%, with some evil DNA, will take power. And control the 'Good' DNA people.

Has always been. Will always be.

You are either some "hackler"...or you're on some heavy drugs!
;)

KLik...

Neither.

Your beliefs about Human DNA and Evil evolving is... well...

Probably means you are using an incorrect drug.

Try switching to Single Malt Scotch Whiskey.

;)

What belief about human DNA? what are you talking about?
& what evil evolving?
:/

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