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Message 1815783 - Posted: 8 Sep 2016, 19:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 1815732.  


All the fans (top and upper rear) are blowing air out. The inlets (near the bottom front, and a long thin one at bottom rear) have no good place to mount a fan.


. . OK, well all you can do is make sure the air pathway is not obstructed at all. Or do what Wiggo would suggest and turn it into a "Borg" case, with a fan bolted to the outside of the side panel to pump air into the lower part of the case.

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Message 1815798 - Posted: 8 Sep 2016, 20:57:51 UTC - in response to Message 1815732.  


CPU temperature is up to 77 C, so is there a similar program to provide a fan profile for the CPU? CPU tasks from other projects running on all but one of the CPU cores.

Normally, controlling the CPU fan profile is most easily done within the BIOS settings of the computer. Setting the profile to high performance or custom setting fan curves. Or just disable CPU fan control entirely and let the CPU fan run flat out all the time.
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Message 1815911 - Posted: 9 Sep 2016, 13:16:59 UTC - in response to Message 1815798.  

Or just disable CPU fan control entirely and let the CPU fan run flat out all the time.

Sometimes the fan itself has a sensor (internal to the fan) which can't be controlled.

I always had in BIOS disabled "Quiet Fan" setting.
But on the same computer/motherboard when I changed the CPU the new fan "acts" on temperature.

Both bellow are "box" CPUs with stock AMD heatsink/fan (both fans 4-pin):
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ - fan had always spinning @ ~3500 RPM
AMD Athlon II X3 455 - fan changes speed 3000-5400 RPM depending how hot it feels itself

But yes, disabling CPU fan control in BIOS will give the max possible RPM

Of course there are also options to lower the load on CPU to cool it:
- run less tasks on CPU
- use TThrottle
 


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Message 1816149 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 15:06:37 UTC - in response to Message 1815798.  
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CPU temperature is up to 77 C, so is there a similar program to provide a fan profile for the CPU? CPU tasks from other projects running on all but one of the CPU cores.

Normally, controlling the CPU fan profile is most easily done within the BIOS settings of the computer. Setting the profile to high performance or custom setting fan curves. Or just disable CPU fan control entirely and let the CPU fan run flat out all the time.

This computer makes the BIOS settings very hard to reach. I'm still trying, though.

Invalids and suspicious spikes have not stopped on my 560. I still think reducing CPU temperature is the next thing to try.
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Message 1816166 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 16:55:57 UTC

Robert miles: Please try to increase the corevoltage on the gpu a notch. You can use nvidia inspector to do so. Increase slowly each day to see if your problems dissapear.

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Message 1816215 - Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 21:42:40 UTC - in response to Message 1816166.  

Robert miles: Please try to increase the corevoltage on the gpu a notch. You can use nvidia inspector to do so. Increase slowly each day to see if your problems dissapear.


. . Hi Vyper,


. . He is using Afterburner at the moment so that will let him do that as well.

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Message 1816303 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 5:59:18 UTC - in response to Message 1816215.  

Robert miles: Please try to increase the corevoltage on the gpu a notch. You can use nvidia inspector to do so. Increase slowly each day to see if your problems dissapear.


. . Hi Vyper,


. . He is using Afterburner at the moment so that will let him do that as well.

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I found the BIOS adjustments. Nothing relevant to fan speed was mentioned.

I found the portion of Afterburner relevant to GPU voltage. It's inactive unless you first change the settings to enable GPU voltage measurement and GPU voltage control, restart or reboot Windows, and open Afterburner. It then allows you to change the setting and see the result - but the result is no change in the GPU voltage, even after a Windows restart and Afterburner opening.

I've downloaded Nvidia Inspector, and plan to try it tomorrow.
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Message 1816334 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 8:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1816303.  

I've downloaded Nvidia Inspector, and plan to try it tomorrow.

Might give EVGA's PrecisionX 16 a look.
I hate the interface, but it seems to work...
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. . He is using Afterburner at the moment so that will let him do that as well.
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I found the BIOS adjustments. Nothing relevant to fan speed was mentioned.

I found the portion of Afterburner relevant to GPU voltage. It's inactive unless you first change the settings to enable GPU voltage measurement and GPU voltage control, restart or reboot Windows, and open Afterburner. It then allows you to change the setting and see the result - but the result is no change in the GPU voltage, even after a Windows restart and Afterburner opening.

I've downloaded Nvidia Inspector, and plan to try it tomorrow.


. . Sorry that AfterBurner didn't work for you on that, I have never actually changed GPU voltages myself because I don't overclock. But in the Bios often the only option on fans is to disable the fan "quiet" mode, which then let's the fans run at full speed all the time.

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Message 1816376 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 13:02:22 UTC - in response to Message 1816340.  
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I found the BIOS adjustments. Nothing relevant to fan speed was mentioned.

I found the portion of Afterburner relevant to GPU voltage. It's inactive unless you first change the settings to enable GPU voltage measurement and GPU voltage control, restart or reboot Windows, and open Afterburner. It then allows you to change the setting and see the result - but the result is no change in the GPU voltage, even after a Windows restart and Afterburner opening.

I've downloaded Nvidia Inspector, and plan to try it tomorrow.


. . Sorry that AfterBurner didn't work for you on that, I have never actually changed GPU voltages myself because I don't overclock. But in the Bios often the only option on fans is to disable the fan "quiet" mode, which then let's the fans run at full speed all the time.

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In this BIOS, not even that was available.
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Message 1816404 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 14:21:40 UTC - in response to Message 1816376.  


. . Sorry that AfterBurner didn't work for you on that, I have never actually changed GPU voltages myself because I don't overclock. But in the Bios often the only option on fans is to disable the fan "quiet" mode, which then let's the fans run at full speed all the time.
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In this BIOS, not even that was available.


. . Bummer dude!

. . If it is any consolation one of my GPUs is beginning to get hot under the collar as our weather warms up. I am going to have to rethink the whole air stream pathway for that box. Good luck!

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Message 1816478 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 18:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 1816404.  
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. . Sorry that AfterBurner didn't work for you on that, I have never actually changed GPU voltages myself because I don't overclock. But in the Bios often the only option on fans is to disable the fan "quiet" mode, which then let's the fans run at full speed all the time.
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In this BIOS, not even that was available.


. . Bummer dude!

. . If it is any consolation one of my GPUs is beginning to get hot under the collar as our weather warms up. I am going to have to rethink the whole air stream pathway for that box. Good luck!

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Remember that hot air rises, so a path that goes upward may help.

I assume that you've already blown all the dust off that GPU's heatsink.

Some graphics boards are designed so that they blow at least part of the air heated by the GPU out of the case, rather than circulating it within the case.
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Message 1816505 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 21:18:53 UTC - in response to Message 1816376.  
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I found the BIOS adjustments. Nothing relevant to fan speed was mentioned.

I found the portion of Afterburner relevant to GPU voltage. It's inactive unless you first change the settings to enable GPU voltage measurement and GPU voltage control, restart or reboot Windows, and open Afterburner. It then allows you to change the setting and see the result - but the result is no change in the GPU voltage, even after a Windows restart and Afterburner opening.

I've downloaded Nvidia Inspector, and plan to try it tomorrow.


. . Sorry that AfterBurner didn't work for you on that, I have never actually changed GPU voltages myself because I don't overclock. But in the Bios often the only option on fans is to disable the fan "quiet" mode, which then let's the fans run at full speed all the time.

Stephen

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In this BIOS, not even that was available.

Not sure if we're getting a confusion going here. CPU parameters will be in BIOS, GPU parameters in some aftermarket program like Afterburner ...
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Message 1816532 - Posted: 11 Sep 2016, 23:36:29 UTC - in response to Message 1816478.  



. . Bummer dude!

. . If it is any consolation one of my GPUs is beginning to get hot under the collar as our weather warms up. I am going to have to rethink the whole air stream pathway for that box. Good luck!

Stephen

Remember that hot air rises, so a path that goes upward may help.

I assume that you've already blown all the dust off that GPU's heatsink.

Some graphics boards are designed so that they blow at least part of the air heated by the GPU out of the case, rather than circulating it within the case.



. . Hi Robert,

. . I found a partial solution by blocking off a grill in the lower back panel. It was allowing cool air from the intake fan to pass along the side cover and straight out the back without cooling anything useful (apart from the side cover :) ).

. . This increases the air pressure within the case forcing more cool air up through the GPUs and other hardware. Also, since there is only a very narrow gap between the 2 GPUs (Gainward 970 Phoenix cards take up 2.5 slots :( ), I removed the I/O slot cover between the 2 GPUs to increase the air flow between them and this has dropped the upper card temp by 6 - 8 degrees. Not as low as I would like but enough to relax a bit. It was getting up to over 70 C, now running at about 62 C. A lot more civilised but I am still dreading summer :(.

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. . Sorry that AfterBurner didn't work for you on that, I have never actually changed GPU voltages myself because I don't overclock. But in the Bios often the only option on fans is to disable the fan "quiet" mode, which then let's the fans run at full speed all the time.

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In this BIOS, not even that was available.

Not sure if we're getting a confusion going here. CPU parameters will be in BIOS, GPU parameters in some aftermarket program like Afterburner ...


. . It may seem that way but no. The Bios reference was regarding the CPU fan, the afterburner reference was to controlling the GPU core voltage. Context is very important. :)

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Message 1816539 - Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 0:20:05 UTC

The BIOS of my computer with the 560 provides no way to control the CPU fan.

I found Tthrottle already installed, so I'll try it next for CPU temperature control.
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Message 1816548 - Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 1:10:48 UTC - in response to Message 1816539.  

The BIOS of my computer with the 560 provides no way to control the CPU fan.

I found Tthrottle already installed, so I'll try it next for CPU temperature control.


. . That sounds like your best option at this point.

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Message 1816662 - Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 16:51:35 UTC

On Sep 4 I started using SoG for NVidia Beta 4 Changing from Lunatic 0.43b. Just for "chuckles and grins" I did an informal hand recording of the progress. When the graphs flatten out I'll add something (???) the cmd line.

I have 4 computers running 1 WU per card with a dedicated CPU for support. I was running with an empty cmd file. The NV 1070, 680 and 970 are running on AMD 8350's . the NV 770 is running on an gen-1 core-7. all are using win-7.

for "chuckles and grins" here is the results

Date EDT NV 1070 NV 680 NV 970 NV 770 running Lunatic CUDA 5.0 1WU per card
---------------------------------------------------------------- for a week using empty cmd line
08-31 21:15 7870.15 7281.31 6596.09 4091.39
23:20 7845.50 7248.78 6618058 4116.09
09-01 12:05 7827.32 7079.07 6559.91 4207.31
19:00 7792.26 7138.52 6579.91 4224.22
23:20 7692.36 7145.12 6575.39 4255.13
---------------------------------------------------------------- Put in -SBS 512 in all 4 cmd lines
09-05 12:10 7610.47 7040.85 6431.76 4254.04
23:00 7689.90 6981.81 6474.66 4313.96
09-03 21:20 7659.65 6899.67 6497.67 4562.53
---------------------------------------------------------------- SoG at 00:00 using empty cmd line
09-04 10:10 7950.81 6916.92 6550.11 4859.14
16:40 8118.83 7022.88 6655.58 4907.60
21:10 8179.53 7086.66 6807.35 4935.85
09-05 08:10 8411.91 7136.74 6885.15 4993.00
19:10 8663.80 7210.84 7061.61 5314.97
09-06 08:50 9104.07 7324.11 7162.66 5503.57
---------------------------------------------------------------- on vacation
09-11 15:30 12830.21 9485.53 8342.70 7755.10
09-12 12:05 13139.60 9874.97 8448.82 8059.21

maybe someone may be interested.

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Message 1816864 - Posted: 13 Sep 2016, 3:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 1816662.  

Good grief! ... this looks better

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Date       EDT      NV 1070     NV  680     NV  970    NV  770   running Lunatic CUDA 5.0 1WU per card
---------------------------------------------------------------- for a week using empty cmd line
08-31     21:15     7870.15     7281.31     6596.09     4091.39
          23:20     7845.50     7248.78     6618058     4116.09
09-01     12:05     7827.32     7079.07     6559.91     4207.31
          19:00     7792.26     7138.52     6579.91     4224.22
          23:20     7692.36     7145.12     6575.39     4255.13
---------------------------------------------------------------- Put in -SBS 512 in all 4 cmd lines
09-05     12:10     7610.47     7040.85     6431.76     4254.04
          23:00     7689.90     6981.81     6474.66     4313.96
09-03     21:20     7659.65     6899.67     6497.67     4562.53
---------------------------------------------------------------- SoG at 00:00 using empty cmd line
09-04     10:10     7950.81     6916.92     6550.11     4859.14
          16:40     8118.83     7022.88     6655.58     4907.60
          21:10     8179.53     7086.66     6807.35     4935.85
09-05     08:10     8411.91     7136.74     6885.15     4993.00
          19:10     8663.80     7210.84     7061.61     5314.97
09-06     08:50     9104.07     7324.11     7162.66     5503.57
---------------------------------------------------------------- on vacation
09-11     15:30    12830.21     8342.70     9485.53     7755.10
09-12     12:05    13139.60     8448.82     9874.97     8059.21
          22:50    13381.66     8420.29    10050.46     8154.32
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Message 1817042 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 4:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1816548.  
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The BIOS of my computer with the 560 provides no way to control the CPU fan.

I found Tthrottle already installed, so I'll try it next for CPU temperature control.


. . That sounds like your best option at this point.

Stephen

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TThrottle allowed me to reduce the CPU temperature limit from 74 C to 70 C. This did not stop the invalids, so I'm now trying 65 C.

CPU usage now down to about 50%, so I'm not sure how long I will continue this.

A peculiarity of Tthrottle: If you run it to make a change, and leave it running it the background, it's very difficult to open it again for another change without first restarting Windows.
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