It's been on the BBC about smoke being reported before they lost radar contact with the plane , maybe they haven't sorted out the lithium battery problem from a few years back like they believed they had .


A very real problem with a Airline like Egypt Air low maintenance and years of unrest .
If you had checked, you would have found there has not been any suggestion EgyptAir, are failing due to servicing etc. since 2010.

http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/83/egyptair-and-egyptair-express

Stop creating rumours.

Winternight are you going to Fly Egypt Air if you can fly on Singapore or British Airways or Qantas .......

I wont and any fire in the avionics bay is lack of maintenance or sabotage from a terrorist

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I wont and any fire in the avionics bay is lack of maintenance or sabotage from a terrorist

Tell that to the crew of Apollo 13. Or you forgot manufacturing defect.

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EgyptAir: Crashed flight MS804 'did not swerve'

An EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before disappearing, an Egyptian official says.

The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard when it vanished from radar early on Thursday.

Greece's defence minister said the plane turned 90 degrees left and then did a 360-degree turn towards the right before plummeting.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36365256

We need more information to determine terrorism, or mechanical.

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Safety is safety . The good Airlines don't crash so unless the pilot training or maintenance is World Best Practice your going to have a plane crash

Cheaping out on non standard battery's is still bad maintenance as well as bad business Admin

Gary I'm not shore I'd like to fly some of your Airlines either mate they tend to fall out of the sky to hehehehe (Pan - Am , American Ailines) :-)

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your Airlines

My airlines? Never had a crash when I was Pilot in Command.

As to the rest of you fallacy, parts fail. There is this thing called metal fatigue and it hides. Even dye inspection and x-ray can't always find it. Now as to electronics tin migration is another hidden danger. Never mind a cable chase made with a burr in an inaccessible area finally rubbing through insulation. There are things that can not be inspected for until you turn the aircraft back into boxes of parts. Then you run the risk of not putting it back together right as it isn't being done on the assembly line.

No Glenn the world isn't perfect and it can't be inspected and tested into perfection. Tell it to the crew of Apollo 13!

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Gary Apollo 13 was a space mission so unless your saying that a Airliner can fly in space then it means nothing , as they say S-t happens !

But there is a difference between a accident and bad management . Your Airlines are Targets and that's what makes them a higher risk for Terrorism but other than that not anywhere near Egypt air or Malaysian Airlines for there records .

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As some one said Gary there's a lot of politics in it .

A report I watched the other day about Airlines is very reviling about how bad some Airlines are . Air Asia is a bad one . Egypt Air fly's because of politics !!!!!

Before you book check there safety record .

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Gary Apollo 13 was a space mission so unless your saying that a Airliner can fly in space then it means nothing , as they say S-t happens !

Part was bad and installed. Manufacturing defect. Sorry but Airbus can F up off the line just like North American Rockwell who made the bad part on 13. Not everything fails PDQ.

Now you can return to your rant that plane mechanics aren't any better than the local car shop. I shocked, shocked that they employ humans!

You are aware that most airlines do not do their own maintenance work, aren't you? They hire contract shops to do the work. You will see planes from several airlines on their ramp. So if you have a bitch, direct it at the contractor doing the work.

Every mechanic passes the same test to get his license (in his country). Doesn't mean some are faster than others, it means they know how to fill out the paper work, which is 90% of the job and were the day they passed able to do all the basic functions which should be required of them. It doesn't mean there isn't greed, greed to sign off inspections as done that never were and pocket the money for doing it. Or greed to grab a nut from the local hardware shop rather than wait a couple days for the certified part to arrive.

Now if you want to urinate on some airline, name it, or shut up with your nationalistic nonsense.

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As some one said Gary there's a lot of politics in it .

A report I watched the other day about Airlines is very reviling about how bad some Airlines are . Air Asia is a bad one . Egypt Air fly's because of politics !!!!!

Before you book check there safety record .

So have you checked EgyptAir
And because you don't back claims with data, I'll do it.

https://aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=6292

The head of Egypt's forensics authority has dismissed the comments as ‘mere assumptions’


EgyptAir crash: Body parts retrieved from flight MS804 crash site 'point to an explosion on board aircraft'

A forensics official has said human remains retrieved from the area where EgyptAir flight 804 crashed point to an explosion on board.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-explosion-cause-latest-who-live-updates-mediterranean-sea-a7044546.html

No one has claimed responsibly for terrorism, yet.

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1 small note, explosion or explosive decompression can't be ruled out!

so, let's leave a terrorism somewhere else...until proof is found! ;)

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4 Minutes.

"They say": too slow for a bomb, too fast for a fire.

"They" as usual are wrong.

Bomb can be just the right size to not cause enough damage to make if fly apart, but enough damage that it won't hold together very long. Bomb can damage the fly by wire systems enough to cause loss of control and then aerodynamic forces rip it apart.

Fire can spread much faster than people think, especially when an oxygen supply is put on it, say from the flight crew oxygen tank.

Of course the the source could be intentional act or bad Q/C at the assembly plant or even getting struck by space debris. Oh and today terrorism includes computer hacking. Until the black boxes are read out everything is speculation as there was no claim of terrorism before it went down. Even then the entire thing may need to be plucked from the depths and put into a hanger to be studied for clues, but still may not provide an answer.

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A French naval vessel has detected underwater signals from one of EgyptAir Flight 804's so-called black boxes, investigators said Wednesday.
Specialized locator equipment on board the French vessel La Place detected signals from the seabed in the Mediterranean Sea, the Egyptian investigative committee said in a statement.
The French Aircraft Investigation Committee later said it had confirmed the signals were from one of the aircraft's black boxes -- the flight data and cockpit voice recorders.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/africa/egyptair-possible-signal-detected/index.html?adkey=bn

This just in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/egyptair-ms804-crash-plane-had-been-forced-to-make-several-emerg/


EgyptAir MS804 crash: Plane 'had been forced to make several emergency landings' before disaster

But each time when it returned to the airport it had just taken off from, it was quickly allowed to leave again after inspectors carried out a technical audit and found nothing amiss, the reports said.

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I have started a new thread here

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79739

For those that wish to discuss the subject that had taken over this thread please continue that discussion there.

Thank you.

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Finally! They need the black boxes.

EgyptAir flight MS804: Egypt says it has spotted wreckage of plane

Egypt says it has spotted the wreckage of the EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean last month, killing all 66 people on board.

The committee said in a statement late on Wednesday that a vessel contracted by the Egyptian government to join the search efforts for the data recorders and the wreckage of the doomed A320 “had identified several main locations of the wreckage, accordingly the first images of the wreckage were provided to the investigation committee”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/15/egyptair-flight-804-wreckage-spotted

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Voice recorder recovered

Maybe we will find out what exactly happened.
Thanks Sirius .

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Now they have more of a chance to find out what happend with the flight data recorder found

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36557134

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

Now they have more of a chance to find out what happend with the flight data recorder found

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36557134

Thanks for posting this Mark.
We need the whole picture.

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