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Message 1787665 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 8:45:48 UTC

Found a link to this. Not sure what all is inside it but it should answer some of your "What can I eat?" questions. Diabetes Cookbook for Dummies.



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Message 1787671 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 10:23:35 UTC
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Suzie,

Just for info, for the creamer, do you realise that milk (whole or skimmed or semi-skimmed) can be successfully frozen & then defrosted as required. Try using ice cube trays or similar if you want it ready portioned.

My Wife's mother was freezing milk for several years before she passed, as it meant that she could have milk whenever she wanted.

If you do freeze milk, do so on the day you buy it.

My wife is Diabetic type 1, for over well 40 years, and is on Insulin. for her, the key is testing and know your body and how it copes with food.

Good luck, and ask questions if needed.
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Message 1787673 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 10:56:13 UTC - in response to Message 1787671.  

Suzie,

Just for info, for the creamer, do you realise that milk (whole or skimmed or semi-skimmed) can be successfully frozen & then defrosted as required. Try using ice cube trays or similar if you want it ready portioned.

My Wife's mother was freezing milk for several years before she passed, as it meant that she could have milk whenever she wanted.

If you do freeze milk, do so on the day you buy it.

My wife is Diabetic type 1, for over well 40 years, and is on Insulin. for her, the key is testing and know your body and how it copes with food.

Good luck, and ask questions if needed.

Can I just add to that Homogenized milk can be frozen, direct from farm cannot.
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Message 1787683 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 13:25:35 UTC
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@ Gary, and Suzie,

Atkins is NOT high protein. It is high fat.

For women, each meal should contain 4 Oz. of protein. (Beef, Chicken, Pork, Lamb...) Then add 2 TBSP fats per meal... (Olive oil or butter.)

Get in 12-15 Net Carbs of Non-starchy veggies per meal.

Atkins IS a safe diet plan for Diabetics. Please read the material on the Website - Atkins.com and/or The New Atkins Made Easy book. Also, check with your Primary Care Physician.

There are MANY misconceptions about Atkins... Please read the material.

I agree with Gary that TOO MUCH protein IS bad for the Kidneys, and thus is bad for Diabetics. People HAVE misused the Atkins Plan and eaten too much protein. THIS IS NOT Atkins!

[EDIT:]...AND, get in AT LEAST 64 Oz. of water a day. (Real water, NO DIET SODAS!!! Diet sodas are worse for diabetics than real sodas.)


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Message 1787732 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 21:30:17 UTC - in response to Message 1787624.  


That has added sugar, so I'm going to have to figure out some way to get cream into my coffee. Fresh won't work because it will go bad before I get to the bottom of the bottle/carton.


Lactose free skim milk. I switched to it years ago, great shelf life. 2% milk tastes like heavy cream to me now.

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Message 1787743 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 22:38:47 UTC - in response to Message 1787683.  
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@ Gary, and Suzie,

Atkins is NOT high protein. It is high fat.

For women, each meal should contain 4 Oz. of protein. (Beef, Chicken, Pork, Lamb...) Then add 2 TBSP fats per meal... (Olive oil or butter.)

Get in 12-15 Net Carbs of Non-starchy veggies per meal day.

Atkins IS a safe diet plan for Diabetics. Please read the material on the Website - Atkins.com and/or The New Atkins Made Easy book. Also, check with your Primary Care Physician.

There are MANY misconceptions about Atkins... Please read the material.

I agree with Gary that TOO MUCH protein IS bad for the Kidneys, and thus is bad for Diabetics. People HAVE misused the Atkins Plan and eaten too much protein. THIS IS NOT Atkins!

[EDIT:]...AND, get in AT LEAST 64 Oz. of water a day. (Real water, NO DIET SODAS!!! Diet sodas are worse for diabetics than real sodas.)


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[EDIT 2:] Just corrected an error I had in my original post... It's 12-15 NC of Non-starchy veggies per day...

When starting Atkins, one should take in a grand total of 20 NC per day. A good range to fluctuate in is 18-22 NC a day; as sometimes it's hard to hit the exact 20 NC mark.

EVERYTHING has carbs; EXCEPT sugar alcohols - which are NOT sugars, NOR alcohols... So, if you have a cup of coffee and add a couple drops of liquid Stevia; you are adding a "sugar alcohol"... This has 0 Carbs.

Heavy cream IS allowed on Atkins. (3 TBSP per day.)


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Message 1787744 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 22:48:11 UTC

Careful with the "sugar alcohols". If you overdo it then you might want to take a extra roll of Charmin with you to the bathroom.

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Message 1787748 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 22:57:26 UTC - in response to Message 1787683.  

Scott & Suzie, Depends which Atkins ...
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/in-depth/atkins-diet/art-20048485
The Atkins Diet restricts carbs (carbohydrates) while emphasizing protein and fats.
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has been detailed in many books and is credited with launching the low-carb diet trend.
...
Like many diet plans, the Atkins Diet continues to evolve.
The good doctor did not trademark his name and many quacks have written books with his name in the title.

High fat diets are frequently contraindicated with diabetes. Frequently hypertension, high cholesterol and other circulatory issues are in combination with it. That is why you need to consult with a nutritionist who has your personal medical file and blood tests to read before making recommendations. Your doctor should be setting up some consultations and classes for you, and perhaps a referral to an endocrinologist.

As the Mayo Clinic says:
Check with your doctor or health care provider before starting any weight-loss diet, especially if you have any health conditions, such as diabetes or kidney disease.

Yes, she will be on some form of carb restricting diet. Exactly what, and how much, we can't tell her over the internet. It will also interact with the medicine(s) she is taking. A physician and nutritionist needs to be in the loop at least until you are stable, then less frequently.

Scott, yes I know what the snake oil salesman says about his diet, but I trust the Mayo Clinic's description and note they only quote the snake oil salesman but do not concur with his statement and elsewhere refute it.
To that end, the Atkins Diet restricts carbohydrates and encourages eating more protein and fat. However, the Atkins Diet says it is not a high-protein diet.

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Message 1787749 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 23:01:57 UTC - in response to Message 1787744.  

Careful with the "sugar alcohols". If you overdo it then you might want to take a extra roll of Charmin with you to the bathroom.

http://www.drugs.com/food-interactions/metformin.html
Well, that side effect isn't listed, but some other far more serious ones are.
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Message 1787756 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 23:47:50 UTC - in response to Message 1787749.  

Careful with the "sugar alcohols". If you overdo it then you might want to take a extra roll of Charmin with you to the bathroom.

http://www.drugs.com/food-interactions/metformin.html
Well, that side effect isn't listed, but some other far more serious ones are.

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Message 1787757 - Posted: 15 May 2016, 23:49:45 UTC
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My glucose levels have trended upward as I have aged, instead of dropping.
Last test in January was 115 fasting....with 100 being considered normal high.
I was tested at work last week and was at 127 non-fasting....with 140 being considered normal high.
So, although I will be keeping an eye on it, I am considered borderline diabetic.

My A1C has been around 5.5%, with 4 to 6 considered normal.

So, all in all, I think I am hanging in there pretty well for my age, and some of my poor lifestyle choices.
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Message 1787765 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 0:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 1787629.  

Lets see I switched to real whole wheat bread(Natures Own) cause the calorie count was lower by half and the bread had a mostly good side effect too, but enough of that, I also stopped drinking coffee since the powdered creamer has some sugar in it, I'd love to find a powdered creamer that doesn't and is better for Me without breaking the bank so to speak.


I tried powdered milk for a while but really didn't like the taste.
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Message 1787767 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 1:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 1787671.  
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Suzie,

Just for info, for the creamer, do you realise that milk (whole or skimmed or semi-skimmed) can be successfully frozen & then defrosted as required. Try using ice cube trays or similar if you want it ready portioned.


I used to freeze milk, too, because it would go bad before I could use it.
So I'd bring some home to drink right away and some to freeze.

I just use soy milk now. It's much easier. But I don't use it as creamer. I like
a lot of cream in my coffee, and I don't want to add something that will bring
down the temperature too much. That's why I started using powdered creamer.
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Message 1787769 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 1:08:22 UTC - in response to Message 1787749.  

Careful with the "sugar alcohols". If you overdo it then you might want to take a extra roll of Charmin with you to the bathroom.

http://www.drugs.com/food-interactions/metformin.html
Well, that side effect isn't listed, but some other far more serious ones are.


The doctor told me that metformin will give me diarrhea if I "cheat."
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Message 1787770 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 1:12:14 UTC - in response to Message 1787769.  

Careful with the "sugar alcohols". If you overdo it then you might want to take a extra roll of Charmin with you to the bathroom.

http://www.drugs.com/food-interactions/metformin.html
Well, that side effect isn't listed, but some other far more serious ones are.


The doctor told me that metformin will give me diarrhea if I "cheat."

I did not have that experience when I was on it.
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Message 1787771 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 1:13:11 UTC

Thanks again for all the helpful info. I have bookmarked the websites and will
give them a thorough looking over. As far as Diabetes Cookbook for Dummies, I
actually have already seen that and I'm considering buying a copy.

I've looked at some of the companies that deliver meals to the home (via FedEx,
UPS, etc.). They all have some sort of program for diabetics. I'm looking into
those and may go with that until I'm ready to start preparing my own food. Also,
I think the grocery stores sell frozen Aykins meals, don't they?

I don't see an "A1C" level among my test results. How do I get that?

Got to go now. My dogs are telling me I've been online too long.

Thanks again.
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Message 1787773 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 1:15:19 UTC - in response to Message 1787771.  

You would have to ask your physician if he tested for A1C.
Unless the glucose levels are way out of whack, they might not run that test.
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Message 1787774 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 1:17:26 UTC

The A1C is a blood test that must be done in the lab. Your doctor probably ordered it. It measures Glycated hemoglobin which is a form of hemoglobin that is measured primarily to identify the three month average glucose (Sugar) concentration.
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Message 1787793 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 3:21:19 UTC - in response to Message 1787774.  

The A1C is a blood test that must be done in the lab. Your doctor probably ordered it. It measures Glycated hemoglobin which is a form of hemoglobin that is measured primarily to identify the three month average glucose (Sugar) concentration.

Wait a while and someone will make it available in home
http://www.cliawaived.com/web/Diabetes_%28A1c_Testing%29.htm
I don't know how accurate and that is an expensive meter that you won't use very often being a three month average. You likely need other blood work at the same time so I'm not sure there is any savings.

IIRC you should only be diagnosed based on A1C result and not on blood glucose alone. Ask your Dr for a copy of your lab test results (every time).
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Message 1787794 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 3:26:53 UTC - in response to Message 1787793.  
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The A1C is a blood test that must be done in the lab. Your doctor probably ordered it. It measures Glycated hemoglobin which is a form of hemoglobin that is measured primarily to identify the three month average glucose (Sugar) concentration.

Wait a while and someone will make it available in home
http://www.cliawaived.com/web/Diabetes_%28A1c_Testing%29.htm
I don't know how accurate and that is an expensive meter that you won't use very often being a three month average. You likely need other blood work at the same time so I'm not sure there is any savings.

IIRC you should only be diagnosed based on A1C result and not on blood glucose alone. Ask your Dr for a copy of your lab test results (every time).

I am lucky enough to be part of a network that records and I have access to, all of my testing results at any time.
Thedacare.

Named after the hospital I was born in. Theda Clark Memorial Hospital.

I can access all of my test results from any participating medical practitioner at any time....all my tests are there for me to look at.
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