Kong I was sent this and you will find it interesting . It'S back, the woodpecker signal and has only been going for a short time ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-felfJCN1A

thanks Jann

Glenn,
Per that video, the woodpecker started operating again in Dec. 2013... That is hardly 'only a short time'. Also, that video does confirm that the 'woodpecker' was operational between 1976 and 1989. The rest of that video is, to put it politely, pure caca. 'Religious prophecy' indeed.... Uggh.

Why you have so fixated on this conspiracy theory when its thesis (that the 'duga-3' array was about to undergo final testing prior to being activated and that a certain Soviet official caused the Chernobyl disaster to cover up its 'failure') is so blatantly contradicted by facts known to not only me but a LARGE number of other people worldwide just boggles the mind.

If you really are interested in the subject, I would suggest that you study the physics of electromagnetic radiation, especially its reflection and refraction. Warning, however, any in-depth study of the subject will require the calculus, especially vector calculus. It ain't easy to get much beyond the trivial without the math.

It is extremely obvious that the 'woodpecker' was/is an OTH 'radar' operating down on the Shortwave/HF frequencies instead of the standard microwave frequencies. Except for the possibility of some level of tropospheric ducting, microwave frequencies (3GHz through 3000GHz frequency, 10cm through 0.1 mm wavelength) are basically line-of-sight. Shortwave signals (3 MHz through 30MHz frequency, 100m through 10m wavelength) can essentially cover the planet as they bounce between the F layer (F1/F2 layers during the day) of the ionosphere and the ground.



The D-layer, present during the day, absorbs the 'AM' radio/MW (mediumwave) band (300 kHz - 3 MHz, 1 km to 100 m in wavelength). Its why you can hear 'AM' radio a LOT further away at night than during the day.

The E-layer will sometimes be strong enough to reflect VHF signals (30 MHz - 300 MHz, 10 m - 1 m in wavelength) for short periods of time, depending on a number of factors (time of day, season of the year, solar activity, etc.) as do all forms of ionospheric propagation.

OTH 'radar' at shortwave wavelengths has its uses well beyond detection of ICBM/SLBM launches. Uses that have been made a LOT more practical due to advances in computer processing power over the years. This is undoubtedly why the woodpecker has been reactivated, if it indeed has. Though it would almost certainly not involve the old Chernobyl Duga-3 site.

For a Soviet Government official to have purposely caused the level-7 Chernobyl disaster to distract from some imagined failure in the Duga-3 array would have been the height of stupidity.

Soviet officials have most certainly been corrupt, inept, and ignorant at times, but stupid they were/are not.

MajorKong, Once The Russian Woodpecker was established to been OTH 'radar' many short wave loggers lost interest in it. Upon re-appearing, after going quiet for many years, it has been established that it is not being transmitted from the old original location. The original site has been decommissioned for military use and is now used by amateur radio enthusiasts. There's some speculation that this old OTH equipment has been sold off, possibly to either North Korea,China or the Ukraine. The Woodpecker is quite a fiddly signal to monitor for it frequency shifts every 30 seconds upwards over a period of 2 minutes. After these two minutes have passed it starts the sequence all over again but not necessarily starting from the same original transmission frequency.
Ref: Enigma 2000 Group (E2K} I carried out a lot of logging for the E10 section until E10 went silent back in 2010, speculation was that they switched over to satellite communications. If you look up the E2K web site and read their Bi-monthly news letter, pre 2010, you will discover who's organisation was given the classification of E10.

Glenn,
Per that video, the woodpecker started operating again in Dec. 2013... That is hardly 'only a short time'. Also, that video does confirm that the 'woodpecker' was operational between 1976 and 1989. The rest of that video is, to put it politely, pure caca. 'Religious prophecy' indeed.... Uggh

I only put the link up because it was by one of your own countrymen and gave a date of when it started back up and some of the freqancy's not because of the other stuff he was saying witch I did not really listen to .I figured you wouldn't believe the Russian guy but may have believed one of your own countrymen telling you it had started up again.

I thought you may have been interested in the woodpecker signal as you seemed to be when it was going in the 80's .

So if I hear any thing else about it i'll keep it to myself as you don't seem to interested

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I think this is very interesting, and it kind of reminds me of Lost, when they were talking about the Numbers station.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Well someone is alleged to be operating an OTH radar. Russia has no need of such. China has no need of such. Both have satellites which give faster and better information. However DPRK does not have birds. While they don't need OTH radar they might just transmit the signal and not bother to listen for returns. They are jamming GPS. Haven't heard if they are also jamming GLONASS. They are crazy enough to do it just to piss people off. Poke with a stick so to speak.

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Well someone is alleged to be operating an OTH radar. Russia has no need of such. China has no need of such. Both have satellites which give faster and better information.

Voronezh radars (Russian: Воронеж) are the current generation of Russian early-warning radar, providing long distance monitoring of airspace against ballistic missile attack and aircraft monitoring. The first radar, in Lekhtusi near St Petersburg, became operational in 2009. There is a plan to replace older radars with the Voronezh by 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_radar
Rear of the Voronezh-M radar array in Lekhtusi.

Russia has used the launch of these new radars to raise its concerns about US missile defence in Europe. At the launch of the Kaliningrad radar in November 2011 Russian President Dmitry Medvedev was quoted as saying "I expect that this step [the launch of the radar] will be seen by our partners as the first signal of our country's readiness to make an adequate response to the threats which the missile shield poses for our strategic nuclear forces."

Cold War 2.0 :(

Well someone is alleged to be operating an OTH radar. Russia has no need of such. China has no need of such. Both have satellites which give faster and better information.

Voronezh radars (Russian: Воронеж) are the current generation of Russian early-warning radar, providing long distance monitoring of airspace against ballistic missile attack and aircraft monitoring.

Frequency 150mHZ+. At VHF/UHF the radar is not OTH. See MK's propagation graphic.

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Well someone is alleged to be operating an OTH radar. Russia has no need of such. China has no need of such. Both have satellites which give faster and better information.

Voronezh radars (Russian: Воронеж) are the current generation of Russian early-warning radar, providing long distance monitoring of airspace against ballistic missile attack and aircraft monitoring.

Frequency 150mHZ+. At VHF/UHF the radar is not OTH. See MK's propagation graphic.

Voronezh-DM (77Ya6-DM) works in the decimeter range (UHF) and was designed by NPK NIIDAR. It has a range of up to 10,000 km and is capable of simultaneously tracking 500 objects.[9][10] In 2015, its maximum range is 10,000 km. Its horizon range is 6000 km and vertical range is 8000 km.

6000 km is very much Over The Horizon.

Well someone is alleged to be operating an OTH radar. Russia has no need of such. China has no need of such. Both have satellites which give faster and better information.

Voronezh radars (Russian: Воронеж) are the current generation of Russian early-warning radar, providing long distance monitoring of airspace against ballistic missile attack and aircraft monitoring.

Frequency 150mHZ+. At VHF/UHF the radar is not OTH. See MK's propagation graphic.

Voronezh-DM (77Ya6-DM) works in the decimeter range (UHF) and was designed by NPK NIIDAR. It has a range of up to 10,000 km and is capable of simultaneously tracking 500 objects.[9][10] In 2015, its maximum range is 10,000 km. Its horizon range is 6000 km and vertical range is 8000 km.

6000 km is very much Over The Horizon.

No. It is tracking spacecraft, not objects on the ground. Objects on the ground are OTH, objects 100 miles up are line of sight.

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Well someone is alleged to be operating an OTH radar. Russia has no need of such. China has no need of such. Both have satellites which give faster and better information.

Voronezh radars (Russian: Воронеж) are the current generation of Russian early-warning radar, providing long distance monitoring of airspace against ballistic missile attack and aircraft monitoring.

Frequency 150mHZ+. At VHF/UHF the radar is not OTH. See MK's propagation graphic.

Voronezh-DM (77Ya6-DM) works in the decimeter range (UHF) and was designed by NPK NIIDAR. It has a range of up to 10,000 km and is capable of simultaneously tracking 500 objects.[9][10] In 2015, its maximum range is 10,000 km. Its horizon range is 6000 km and vertical range is 8000 km.

6000 km is very much Over The Horizon.

Janneseti,

Gary is correct. The Voronezh-DM radar is working line-of-sight, not OTH. 8000 km up. What they are looking for is ballistic missiles near the tops of their trajectory.

And for a bit of levity, Major Kong rides the bomb...




I don't know why the Russians seem to be so proud of the Voronezh. The US Military (in a joint venture with the Canadian military) had very similar systems... Back in the late 1950's and early 1960's... over 50 years ago.

Out of here Janneseti...

This stuff is completely nonsense.

Well someone is alleged to be operating an OTH radar. Russia has no need of such. China has no need of such. Both have satellites which give faster and better information.

Voronezh radars (Russian: Воронеж) are the current generation of Russian early-warning radar, providing long distance monitoring of airspace against ballistic missile attack and aircraft monitoring.

Frequency 150mHZ+. At VHF/UHF the radar is not OTH. See MK's propagation graphic.

Voronezh-DM (77Ya6-DM) works in the decimeter range (UHF) and was designed by NPK NIIDAR. It has a range of up to 10,000 km and is capable of simultaneously tracking 500 objects.[9][10] In 2015, its maximum range is 10,000 km. Its horizon range is 6000 km and vertical range is 8000 km.

6000 km is very much Over The Horizon.

Janneseti,

Gary is correct. The Voronezh-DM radar is working line-of-sight, not OTH. 8000 km up. What they are looking for is ballistic missiles near the tops of their trajectory.

And 8,000km up is a long way up. It is way above the ISS orbit and above heliocentric orbits, but below geostationary. As they aren't giving a target size, the range figures are misleading. But ICBM's are now sent very high so when they return to earth they are moving very fast so that ABM systems don't have time to take them out.

As to the radar being something special, I am sure that Russia like the USA has a catalog of space junk in orbit that they track by radar. Not a secret project.

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My bad this time.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=61318#1030198

The radar stations is not a danger as such.
It's why Russia choose to deploy them.
Jens Stoltenberg, NATO's supreme representative, writes in his annual report for 2015:
"During the last three years, Russia has implemented at least 18 large sudden readiness exercises, some that included troops of more than 100,000 men. These exercises include simulated attacks using nuclear weapons against NATO allies (for example, during the Russian exercise Zapad) and the partners (for example, in March 2013 simulated attacks against Sweden)."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8a39agFjE

Bluestar why your bad ...... who's to say the OHR or Tracking stations haven't picked up U.F.O's remember Mulder said "The truth is out there"

I have been wondering if any of there signals could cause erronus Data for seti in the last 3 years . We might have to redo all the work we've already done for the last 3 years ????

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Perhaps a point being made here both one or more ways.

I do not have it available right now, but if you compare the more resent results I have with what I earlier got, it is a quite big difference.

Either we are not looking at those places of the sky where there are not many strong radio sources, or the sky has become much more silent.

With so many radio sources, or signals coming from objects in the sky, things should be more active or the results should be differing a bit more.

But for now the results are more or less uniform or equal. You probably are not able to see any intelligence in a pulse, but a score of more than 1.30 for such a pulse is not something you get right now.

If I am not wrong, E.T. is not flying around everywhere in the sky regardless of being UFO's or maybe something else.

But whether or not we happen to be analyzing radio signals from Arecibo or somewhere else, by means of Breakthrough Listen, most likely either a different scoring system, or at least result would be obtained if for example the ultraviolet or gamma-ray part of the spectrum had been analyzed instead.

For now we only are left to either guess or speculate what is supposed to constitute or be an intelligent signal by means of comparing what we may be or are able to detect from what we may think could in fact be such a signal.

If anyone might happen to think that UFO's could be a natural phenomenon, you may perhaps be one step closer. If an intelligent signal could be associated with such a phenomenon, or even better, being able to conclude that it might come from a distant star, you probably are more likely to get at the result or conclusion you were hoping for.

In comparison, some things may go unexplained forever, or there could be more to it. Certain things like active or passive radar is supposed to be part of a nation's defense and using such a thing does not always make it any easier when it is supposed to be about analyzing radio signals coming from the sky.