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Message 1797450 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 23:05:32 UTC - in response to Message 1797291.  
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Now German FM Steinmeier has warned Nato against "warmongering", after it conducted military exercises in Eastern Europe.
Doesn't make sense to me.
Who are actually "warmongering"?
Why didn't Steinmeier consulted German MoD or NATO before he make this really stupid statement?

Germany has to kiss Putin's butt.

30 percent of the EU's natural gas imports are currently from Russia. When it comes to oil, 35 percent of the European Union's supplies are of Russian origin. And Germany's dependence on Moscow is even higher: the country sources 36 percent of its natural gas imports and 39 percent of its oil imports from Russian energy suppliers.

http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-russian-energy-dilemma/a-17529685

Ah yes. The gas dilemma.
Nord Stream is a pipeline from Russia to Germany passing the Swedish island Gotland in the Baltic Sea.

Now in Brussels, Washington and Moscow the plans for a new Russian gas pipeline off Gotland have become big politics. The project "North Stream 2" is slated to threaten security and stability in Europe.

But on Gotland they welcomed the project, many millions of Euros invested by Russia, and only worries of the safety of school children crossing streets in the town Slite:)

In Slite harbor Pharmacies Quay, that actually is called Putin Quay now, is where all the pipes are prepared.
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Message 1797454 - Posted: 19 Jun 2016, 23:54:22 UTC - in response to Message 1797402.  

Whatever way the vote goes we will have to live with it and only thing i'm fairly sure about is the result is going to be close maybe 47% / 53% either way .
Way things are no one can say what the outcome is going to be


True, but there's no reason we couldn't have a bit of fun and guess :)

I'll go first:

44% Remain
56% Leave
(UK - Overall)

40% Remain
60% Leave
(England only)

Maybe a high-score of 70% Leave in a few of the "shires".
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Message 1797582 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 16:28:00 UTC

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Message 1797588 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 17:14:25 UTC

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Message 1797590 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 17:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 1797582.  
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EU tax raid

When will that tax raid be?
Every country in the EU have their own VAT rates and also many excemptions.
It is impossible to have one VAT rate in all countries.
Many countries would collapse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax
It would be nice for me if income tax was regulated by the EU in the same way though.
I would be a winner:)
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Message 1797604 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 19:21:22 UTC - in response to Message 1797590.  

Been delayed until the Autumn, but they will enforce should the vote be remain.

“The Eurocrat answer to every problem is always more Europe. With just days to go until the referendum, the Brussels mask is slipping. We know they have grand plans for a European army and a single European country containing Turkey and other states. But there will also be plenty more mad initiatives coming down the track if we vote to remain.

Their proposed single European tax code is just the next step on the road to introducing a single tax system."

Will Europe accept German control over such a large army?

Will that Army be called Wehrmacht?

They will eventually want an Air Force & Navy so

Luftwaffe?
Kreigsmarine?

Well, according to a US NATO general who fears rapid Russian deployment
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Message 1797609 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 19:55:06 UTC - in response to Message 1797604.  



Will Europe accept German control over such a large army?

Will that Army be called Wehrmacht?

They will eventually want an Air Force & Navy so

Luftwaffe?
Kreigsmarine?



Well...

In WWI, Germany went through Belgium on it's way to France.
In WWII, Germany went through Belgium on it's way to France.

Now, Germany is again using Belgium to 'take over' Europe...

You guys actually expected anything different?

<grin>
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Message 1797610 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 19:59:36 UTC - in response to Message 1797609.  

<grin>

The difference this time around, the English Channel won't stop them.
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Message 1797613 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 20:52:50 UTC - in response to Message 1797604.  
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Been delayed until the Autumn, but they will enforce should the vote be remain.
“The Eurocrat answer to every problem is always more Europe. With just days to go until the referendum, the Brussels mask is slipping. We know they have grand plans for a European army and a single European country containing Turkey and other states. But there will also be plenty more mad initiatives coming down the track if we vote to remain.
Their proposed single European tax code is just the next step on the road to introducing a single tax system."
Will Europe accept German control over such a large army?
Will that Army be called Wehrmacht?
They will eventually want an Air Force & Navy so
Luftwaffe?
Kreigsmarine?
Well, according to a US NATO general who fears rapid Russian deployment

The German Air Force is still called Luftwaffe.
The Bundeswehr, as a result of serious NATO-Russian tensions in Europe, announced a major increase in defense spending. In May 2015, the German government approved an increase in defense spending from 1.3% to 6.2% over the following five years.

Not only the EU is cracking up. NATO as well.
And Russia are warmongering in the east...

I have not seen any grand plans for an European army though.
At the end of June the EU’s foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, will outline a “global strategy on foreign and security policy”. That grandly titled paper will call for deeper EU security and military cooperation, an aim supported by many countries, including Germany.

But, contrary to reports, it will not propose an EU army. “There is absolutely no plan to set up an EU army with the global strategy,” a spokeswoman for Mogherini said.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/is-there-a-secret-plan-to-create-an-eu-army
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Message 1797616 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 21:22:30 UTC - in response to Message 1797613.  

A "spokeswoman" said, hmm.

Long before this referendum was called, it has been the EU's intentions for some time for a European Army.

To say otherwise now, is just a smokescreen to allay the Brexit camp.

It has been covered on the other parts of this series.
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Message 1797629 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:14:26 UTC - in response to Message 1797616.  
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A "spokeswoman" said, hmm.
Long before this referendum was called, it has been the EU's intentions for some time for a European Army.
To say otherwise now, is just a smokescreen to allay the Brexit camp.
It has been covered on the other parts of this series.

It seems to be only Jean-Claude Juncker that have that intention.
Juncker's vision that the EU should have its own army is not new and certainly not credible. None of the EU's great leaders but Luxembourg's like the idea.
The EU doesn't even have a common standpoint to when or where it shall be used and who they will fight.
Moreover, most EU countries have already a defense for the continent: NATO. 22 of the 28 EU countries are within NATO and have commitments, not least economic ones.

The three most opposing countries to this is Ireland, Great Britain and Sweden.
Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg are in favor.
Germany somewhere in between with the other EU countries.
Public opinion.
http://www.europaportalen.se/2016/01/majoritet-eu-arme
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Message 1797633 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:27:56 UTC - in response to Message 1797629.  

The three most opposing countries to this is Ireland, Great Britain and Sweden.
Britain opposed to defense (from Russia). Can you say Neville Chamberlain?
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Message 1797638 - Posted: 20 Jun 2016, 22:37:47 UTC - in response to Message 1797633.  

The three most opposing countries to this is Ireland, Great Britain and Sweden.
Britain opposed to defense (from Russia). Can you say Neville Chamberlain?

Peace in our time:)
History always repeat itself.
In Europe it's Business As Usual.
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Message 1797725 - Posted: 21 Jun 2016, 6:34:08 UTC

You cannot have an effective EU military forces until you have an effective EU foreign policy.
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Message 1797901 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 9:35:57 UTC

So let me see if I've got this right...

- Conservative Party voters hate Merkel because they watched their guy get stonewalled by Angela. Now they're watching their guy get even more humiliated by cheering "yeah but if we remain, the peanuts I got in the negotiations will get fast-tracked! Maybe."

- Guardian readers hate Europe because all they've been reading for the past few years (or more) is how spectacularly incompetent the EU is...

- Yet if LEAVE gets a majority vote tomorrow it's because the Independent Party waved a magic wand and turned everybody into Little Englanders.

All I can say is: Aaaaaaahahahaha!

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Message 1797994 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:00:22 UTC

50 years of tackling litter
25 years of tackling waste
So let's help them reach the pinnacle of that achievement by voting OUT
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Message 1797995 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:07:59 UTC - in response to Message 1797994.  

What have the EU done for us?
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Message 1797997 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:16:12 UTC - in response to Message 1797995.  

Littered the continent, wasted billions on vanity projects.
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Message 1798002 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:25:11 UTC

On this Date
In 1940, France fell to Germany in World War II.

In 1941, Germany invaded the Soviet Union.

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Message 1798006 - Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 1797997.  
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Littered the continent, wasted billions on vanity projects.

This is news to me that the EU are littering a continent.
Here, we living next to the Baltic Sea, we have MUCH more problem then littering from a country you all know which.
They are littery giving the sh*t about environment here and flush sewer directly into the sea.
In Kaliningrad they still use the same sewer system like they did in the 19th century when the town was called Köningsberg!
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