Oh, kids.....

I am the one who knocks. Not you.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Oh, kids.....

I am the one who knocks. Not you.

Well young man you are known as the "King of Spam" on the Seti forums,
so you can't really complain about not getting proper recognition.

King of Spam, eh???

I am not going there, buddy.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I have way too much of Breaking Bad to get through to understand it all.
There is way too much I have yet to see.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Yes, Lori is always a woman to me.
The piano work is amazing.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Would another species have reached self awareness or domination in the way we have?

I've always wondered this about dinosaurs. They certainly were around long enough to get smart, so why didn't they invent computers?

I read a Star Trek novel some years ago in which the Enterprise (no bloody A, B, C, or D) got into an alternate universe where there was no Federation and nobody had ever heard of humans. Eventually they discovered that in this universe, dinosaurs had survived the asteroid and become sentient and technological... and wiped themselves out with nukes or something because they still had the more ferocious temperament of their ancient forbears.

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I don't remember what species of dinosaur was in the book.

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

I have always missed the important fact that some disnoasurs were plant eaters, while others were reptiles.

Except for the fish and the birds, as well as those animals that were living on land and crawling around, making eggs from their bodies by having nests, they were typically plant or carcass eaters, although many were true reptiles.

Possibly somewhat difficult to make the precise point right now.

In fact, even though Tyronnasurus Rex was an eater of carcass and had a fearsome or terrifying appearance, I have always wanted to know a little bit more about the true reptiles belonging to the dinosaurs.

Remember that the whole period of the dinosaurs lasted some 170 million years, which is a long time. This period of time probably spans two or more main periods in the history of the Earth, namely Jura and Trias.

Looking up the subject since I am not an expert, this is preliminary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triassic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic

I have not read the articles yet.

But apparently the Jurassic period is more recent than the Triassic period.

The first time period lasted between 252.17 million years and 201.3 million years ago.

The second time period lasted between 199.6 million years and 145.5 million years ago.

In the meantime there became many alligators and crocodiles from the eggs and they most likely did not watch the stars in the sky at night.

Therefore we are once again back to the apes and gorillas, which chose to be living by sitting in the trees eating fruit and other nutritions, including possible vegetables.

Maybe these animals were able to watch the sky at night because they were having a dveloped brain.

Even mammals and humans originate from the reptiles by means of the lemurs which could be the common ancestor for both the apes and humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemur

This will need to be read in a similar way as the two links above.

Most likely even the paleontologists are not able to make a direct link between the dinosaurs and the lemurs, because they probably only were able to determine that humans most likely is having this origin, but not the details, since both the apes and humans are mammals and not dinosaurs.

Oh. We're intelligent? When did that happen? I must have blinked and missed it :)

Just a few things from the top of my heads...

There are several species that are self aware. Dolphins and elephants certainly. We don't know how broad and fascinating their questions are, obviously, because we're not intelligent enough for that, but the intelligent among them are very adept at problem solving and collaborating, until you throw us into the mix obviously.

*pause to cry over spilt milk*

I think that's why I'm so fond of theories relating to parallel universes. It's like having an incorruptible backup database. The opportunities gained or lost if there is only one way to do things once a supposedly intelligent species starts to overrun one and seriously skews things in their favour, is far too limiting in my view.

Take intelligence. Just because we think we are and say we are, and have devised methods and criteria that we then measure ourselves up against so that we can confirm to ourselves that we indeed are, doesn't entirely leave me convinced under the gaze of my cat for example, that I actually am.

Fleas are another example. We assume they're niche-exploiting parasites when they may instead be DNA profilers sinking shallow core samples into hot soft things with heartbeats. If so... the species that might have sent them to look out for our health interests could have long-stopped marvelling at our stupidity and moved onto looking after someone else's interests on another planet, where they don't fling pesticides about the place and mess up the lives of everything with more than four legs to keep track of.

Perhaps the really smart thing until your asteroid arrives, is not to get too smart too soon, or at all :)

Who knows? I certainly don't... but I do suspect...

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oh...and did we say we like humans too? Well we do :)

When my religious friends ask me if there is a God I say: "Why the heck not?"
When my smart friends ask me the same question I say: "Why should there be?"
I think every one may be smarter than I am....



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Some times I find it hard to talk with even one of my feet in my mouth...

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Back again after some cleaning.

Sorry about the previous typos.

The 15 inch monitor is now in front of me standing on the table.

If you do not mind, this came to me only a couple of minutes ago.

A scientist with the name of Charles Darwin was once busy doing the subject of evolution.

Could we perhaps discuss the possible relationship between evolution and intelligence right now?

We do not necessarily have to discuss Charles Darwin himself or the history or legacy behind his name or contribution.

That could be interesting.

I would try digging into this using the Wikipedia.

More later on.

Edit: Assumedly probability and chance are not necessarily always the same thing.

In fact, apparently back to some well known stuff right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

I had to bump the mouse I chose to be working with tonight and also the diod for the boot device lit up red on the motherboard as well.

But almost a third down you have that picture of Adam being created or maybe conceived by God himself.

Is the Bible supposed to be telling about such a fact, or should we believe in such a thing?

Read my previous post about the dinosaurs and the eggs of the crocodiles in the nest.

My guess is that something is wrong here and we do not know the complete story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzy5zj9aPr0

Or this video perhaps.

While some things most likely are lying in the open, there probably is still a difference betweeen certain whistleblowers and yet another story.

Better believe what you are being told.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVtpTEeyTW0

Not necessarily only about religion right now, but rather the contents being available.

Because of that, I came across the wording "The kingdom of heaven full movie", or something like that.

Lost the contents for now.

Getting back to it. Suggestions are welcome.

Oh, kids.....

I am the one who knocks. Not you.

Well young man you are known as the "King of Spam" on the Seti forums,
so you can't really complain about not getting proper recognition.

King of Spam, eh???

I am not going there, buddy.

Mark, King of spam? Nah, if you want to look for that, maybe look to the left<<...

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Oh, QNAN or Q.N.A.N. or what the h*** else.

You did not catch HER, didn't you?

Perhaps rely on FedEx when it comes to these pr such things, or maybe your way of thinking.

When the why is clear, the how is easy.

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rOZZ
Music
Pictures

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Would another species have reached self awareness or domination in the way we have?

I've always wondered this about dinosaurs. They certainly were around long enough to get smart, so why didn't they invent computers?

I read a Star Trek novel some years ago in which the Enterprise (no bloody A, B, C, or D) got into an alternate universe where there was no Federation and nobody had ever heard of humans. Eventually they discovered that in this universe, dinosaurs had survived the asteroid and become sentient and technological... and wiped themselves out with nukes or something because they still had the more ferocious temperament of their ancient forbears.

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I don't remember what species of dinosaur was in the book.

If you remember the title, PM it to me?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Most likely so, Sarge.

By the way, a good illustration there from our moderator.

But also there is as always a difference or separation between those living and dead things.

Such a thing could be said when it comes to a stone lying on the ground and an animal or even human who is living its last day for next to pass away.

Because I am not a paleontologist, I do not know in which way the brontosaurs, who were plant eaters, were raising their offspring, but we could be left to believe that the female part was lying eggs in their nests which then became hatched.

So why is also the crocodile doing it this way when we know that it is a reptile, or at least an eater of carcass?

Also Tyrannosaurus Rex did this in much the same way, but if you compare with a lion, it is a reptile which is hunting its prey in order to survive.

There are also reptiles and maybe also carcass eaters living in the ocean as well, but for now I do not have a precise example here.

If an animal is raising offspring by means of eggs being hatched, this is something that should be common when it comes to the birds. But because a bird is having wings in order to fly, does not necessarily tell about its food habits.

A typical bird living in a garden could be living on both corn and grain, as well as plants. It could also be eating small animals like insects.

So why are most likely to start your day by eating bread, or maybe an egg as well? Does the breakfast sometimes get either too late in the day, or too large that it may push off your dinner into the late evening instead?

Are you more likely to choose sausage rather than jam or liverpaste together with your bread and butter? Or perhaps it rather could be sardines instead.

Also do not forget your milk either.

Although fish it not always my first priority, we do of course know about the shrimp, clam and crab being found in the sea or at the shore sometimes.

There may be both restrictions, as well as the price eventually is tremendously high and also there are those people who are using a lot of ways of raising their concerns or voicing their opinion, but for now I do not buy meat from whales in the store.

Because some of these things may be a delicacy when eaten, you probably do not give a thought about the food or nutrition such animals were consuming in order to survive. You only take it for granted that at least some types of food, like certain insects were not on their menu.

When you are eating food, it is often the proteins in the food which you body both needs and may want as well. Such proteins are likely to have been converted or transformed from the original food which was being digested.

In fact we should not forget that except for water and alchohol and also certain poisons, ordinary sugar for example, which should be glucose, needs to be broken down into dextrose in order to be consumed by the body.

The meat in fish is having such proteins, but it most likely is not the same being found in eggs meant for consumption, or meat from either whale, or buffalo,

Therefore, in order to make a summary, one thing is the food you are eating for living, next the way you are supposed to be able to reproduce by the proper ways and means for such a thing.

Finally, and perhaps even more important in todays world, the way we are able to both create things with our hands as well as think and deduce by means of having an intelligent brain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus

Should have added the link in the previous post.

But there is an article with my national broadcaster about people surviving accidents and acts of terrorism, but not before suffering major injuries or other trauma leaving scars on both body as well as memory.

One thing may be the personal lessons being learnt by having such experiences.

Suffering a broken back or femoral (the upper part of your leg below you hip, according to translate) making you bleed is both painful and something that could be almost sickening as well, such a thing could be part of your life.

If for some reason there should be even more to it, like those stories about Near Death experiences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God

Not in the mood at discussing this subject specifically right now, but it should be a known fact that certain kinds of brain surgery neads the patient to be awake at times in order to determine whether a given surgical process is for the good or the worse.

Compare with the birth of a child. Also such a thing could be pain and sometimes blood, but we still think of it as a process of renewal or conception.

It could also be told that while being a military recruit, I was taking the train home a couple of times. This was by means of the night train and it became quite stressful at times.

During one such trip, the compartment I was sitting in became too cold and I suffered a trauma which became both physical and mental.

Not a physical injury, but still a very uncomfortable experience to be having.

Did I have such an experience as mentioned above?

Definitely no, but if it ever should happen, what about your broken leg or back in comparison?

Neither sleep or having such an experience may be the same as time travel.

Could there perhaps be other civilizations in space who chose to make an attempt at traveling between the stars and relying on such things as hibernation for survival?

Such a thing could in fact possibly be happening.

In fact this is the beginning sequence of the original "Alien" movie.

There could theoretically be such travelers being wakened up because they are passing the Earth or some other suitable place in space, or the computer in their spaceship could detect a signal of interest.

All these things might eventually be separate or different things and not always be related to each other.

But in order to be able to discuss some of these subjects, either you need to be either a philosopher or a psychologist.

Next becomes the question about whether or not you could be able to believe in a God, because there is supposed to be a difference between the good and bad and one such thing could be make believing in such thing a possibility, but not necessarily the other, including those things in life which happen to be bad.

Edit: Also the fact could be added that while reaching the point of self awareness and also a feeling of responsibility, we still are having the capability of destroying ourselves because of the aggression which is still a part of us.

We may be having such things as instinct and aggression in order to survive, but it could also become our destiny.

If other intelligent civilizations do exist, or did so in the past, they may have either have succumbed to their surroundings or some other events possibly happening, or they may have reached a point of evolution where their skills and understanding have made them capable of not making any such errors, including those that could lead to their destruction by making possible bad choices.

I was wondering about the apple that fell on Newton's head.

What if it wasn't gravity but an apple at it's moment of liberation from a tree that crashed into Newton's head who was planted on an earth travelling through space that was over-taking the apple?

What if there is no gravity but just things (matter / energy) that occupy different speed lanes in the great cosmos?

What if there was never a big bang but rather a "big suck"... Like an enormous vacuum that exploded us into parts that allowed us to become our lovely annoying selves?

It actually fits better with religious and spiritual beliefs. "At first there was some god" (In other words there was something as God occupied it..)

My "Big Universal Suck" theory actually answers more questions than that big bang idea.

I suspect that if aliens ever reached earth they had done the maths and worked out how exactly the universe sucked...

OK. So not all truthes come in neat packages..

But what if?

:)

Would another species have reached self awareness or domination in the way we have?

I've always wondered this about dinosaurs. They certainly were around long enough to get smart, so why didn't they invent computers?

I read a Star Trek novel some years ago in which the Enterprise (no bloody A, B, C, or D) got into an alternate universe where there was no Federation and nobody had ever heard of humans. Eventually they discovered that in this universe, dinosaurs had survived the asteroid and become sentient and technological... and wiped themselves out with nukes or something because they still had the more ferocious temperament of their ancient forbears.

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I don't remember what species of dinosaur was in the book.

If you remember the title, PM it to me?

The title is First Frontier. Book 75 by Diane Carey and Dr. James I. Kirkland.
And the dinosaur in the book is the troodonts, The most intelligent of dinosaurs according to Dr. Dale Russell of the National Museum of Canada.

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Old James

James, I was about to tell Sarge sorry, I don't remember, so thanks from both of us.

Crunchy, my theory is that eventually, the universe will stop expanding and start shrinking again, which will finally result in all the matter slamming back together into one microscopic dot again, the force of which action will cause it to explode out all over again in another Big Bang. It then follows that there is no reason to assume that we are currently in the first iteration of this phenomenon.

Or as Douglas Adams put it, there is a theory that if anyone ever finds out what the universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced with something even more bizarrely inexplicable. There is another theory that this has already happened.

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.