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Message 1779434 - Posted: 15 Apr 2016, 22:54:11 UTC

Continue the discussion here?

BTW, how was the abuse of alcohol and drugs before unions? More, less or the same? Sources?
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Message 1779449 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 0:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 1779434.  

Continue the discussion here?

BTW, how was the abuse of alcohol and drugs before unions? More, less or the same? Sources?


What has drinking or drugs got to do with Unions anyway .......


Oh right your Republican Union bashing is that why you have so many working class poor (slaves) and your country has so many problems only a capitalist knows what is right for the country and a company ?
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Message 1779458 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 0:47:44 UTC - in response to Message 1779449.  

Yes, Darth Glenn, you really should ask more questions instead of making statements. Why not PM your question to me, so we can keep on topic?
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Message 1779467 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 1:06:14 UTC

Sarge what you are trying to correlate seems pretty random to me.
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Message 1779470 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 1:13:44 UTC
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Don't the US have organizations like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_of_Swedish_Enterprise
http://www.svensktnaringsliv.se/english/
As an employee you could join a union that is an organization that could help you with all type of negotiations with them.
Is there a problem with that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltsj%C3%B6baden_Agreement
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Message 1779486 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 2:05:05 UTC

I take it that Sarge is just carrying on from here to keep the topic going. ;-)

Unions never did anything good for this country.
Six day workweek, no overtime, no workers compensation insurance and no OSHA. Where does Mark sign up?


Where did?

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Message 1779496 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 2:32:27 UTC - in response to Message 1779486.  

I take it that Sarge is just carrying on from here to keep the topic going. ;-)

Perhaps some unions has some dodgy business in Panama:)
I wouldn't be surprise really.
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Message 1780732 - Posted: 20 Apr 2016, 15:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 1779449.  

Capitalism made America prosperous and rich. FDR prolonged the depression in the US by 10 years with his socialist programs and views. Since the implementation of the great society in the 60's the US has gone from the richest country to the most in debt country in the world and is about to take the whole world down with it when it finally accepts reality and declares bankruptcy.
That's what Union socialism has done for America. The Unions have forced the State, Local and Federal Governments to promise unrealistic retirement packages some more than 75% more than private packages that will collapse the financial system in America and deny the retired workers their expected dream as the Union bosses laugh all the way to the beach.

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Message 1780758 - Posted: 20 Apr 2016, 17:01:49 UTC - in response to Message 1780732.  
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Frank you are right.
We all know that the socialist concept of publicly fund schools is bad, if one wants an education the public should not be forced to pay for it.
Public health is a bad idea, if you can't afford to pay for health care, people of the right wing correctly feels you should not be a parasite on the rest of us.
Underfunded retirement programs are common in the private sector also, after all no one should have to pay for their contractual obligations if they can get away with it.
The socialist concept of mass transit is a very bad idea, it is the American concept of "every man for himself" will clearly solve the traffic gridlock in our metropolitan areas.
Of course spending more on the military the next combined 10 countries in the world and fight 3 wars, Veitnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and not paying for them had nothing to do with the national debt.
In summary I make the case that it is our national policy not to pay our bills.
As for those socialist countries such as as Sweden, Denmark and New Zealand, they are clearly failing even though by all metrics they have a higher standard of living.
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Message 1780852 - Posted: 21 Apr 2016, 0:14:52 UTC - in response to Message 1780758.  

Frank you are right.
We all know that the socialist concept of publicly fund schools is bad, if one wants an education the public should not be forced to pay for it.
Public health is a bad idea, if you can't afford to pay for health care, people of the right wing correctly feels you should not be a parasite on the rest of us.
Underfunded retirement programs are common in the private sector also, after all no one should have to pay for their contractual obligations if they can get away with it.
The socialist concept of mass transit is a very bad idea, it is the American concept of "every man for himself" will clearly solve the traffic gridlock in our metropolitan areas.
Of course spending more on the military the next combined 10 countries in the world and fight 3 wars, Veitnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and not paying for them had nothing to do with the national debt.
In summary I make the case that it is our national policy not to pay our bills.
As for those socialist countries such as as Sweden, Denmark and New Zealand, they are clearly failing even though by all metrics they have a higher standard of living


Well said betreger and you can add Australia to those country's that are socialist and doing so bad , pity we live 10 years longer than Americans we must be doing something wrong them .
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Message 1781479 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 2:05:23 UTC

Frank you sound old school thinking . If you have trouble with militant Unions then you crack down on them .

Not all Unions are bad .

Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today .

A lot of Unions work with employers and both party's do very well

Have you watched that show where the Boss goes undercover in his factory's , shops Blah ,Blah ?

a lot of employees have second and 3rd jobs ..... But here's a few grand to help you out .......Hollywood , camera light's action !
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Message 1781490 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 2:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 1781283.  

Capitalism made America prosperous and rich. FDR prolonged the depression in the US by 10 years with his socialist programs and views.

Frank...

Economically, I agree

As an economist I disagree with your analysis. If you want to show me your metrics I will look and compare them to the ones I trust.
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Message 1781500 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 3:25:00 UTC - in response to Message 1781479.  

Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today.

There are countries that don't have the concept of minimum wage.
Yes. Sweden.
It's up to the employer and the employee to set a wage.
Which means that the wage could be anything.
Now since that almost every employer are very much organized themself it's very difficult as a single employee to insist on anything.
Today when applying for a job and asked "Are you a member of an union?".
Don't say yes!
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Message 1781519 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 4:43:45 UTC - in response to Message 1781500.  

Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today.

There are countries that don't have the concept of minimum wage.
Yes. Sweden.
It's up to the employer and the employee to set a wage.
Which means that the wage could be anything.
Now since that almost every employer are very much organized themself it's very difficult as a single employee to insist on anything.
Today when applying for a job and asked "Are you a member of an union?".
Don't say yes!


Don't say yes Janne .... and that's discrimination not hiring someone because they are in a Union so much for freedom of association then .

In a Utopian world the boss wouldn't be trying to screw the worker all the time while giving himself a pay rise
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Message 1781565 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 6:36:44 UTC - in response to Message 1781500.  

Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today.

There are countries that don't have the concept of minimum wage.
Yes. Sweden.
It's up to the employer and the employee to set a wage.
Which means that the wage could be anything.
Now since that almost every employer are very much organized themself it's very difficult as a single employee to insist on anything.
Today when applying for a job and asked "Are you a member of an union?".
Don't say yes!

Illegal here in the UK, under the, Employment Relations Act 1999 (Blacklist) Regulations 2010 which came into force on 2 March 2010.
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Message 1781573 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 6:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 1781519.  

Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today.

There are countries that don't have the concept of minimum wage.
Yes. Sweden.
It's up to the employer and the employee to set a wage.
Which means that the wage could be anything.
Now since that almost every employer are very much organized themself it's very difficult as a single employee to insist on anything.
Today when applying for a job and asked "Are you a member of an union?".
Don't say yes!


Don't say yes Janne .... and that's discrimination not hiring someone because they are in a Union so much for freedom of association then .

In a Utopian world the boss wouldn't be trying to screw the worker all the time while giving himself a pay rise

It's not called discrimination here.
An employer have the right to choose from perhaps 200 to 300 applicants.
An union member who apply to a job often get the answer "You don't fit in our organisation".
Simple as that.
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Message 1781576 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 7:12:20 UTC - in response to Message 1781565.  

Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today.

There are countries that don't have the concept of minimum wage.
Yes. Sweden.
It's up to the employer and the employee to set a wage.
Which means that the wage could be anything.
Now since that almost every employer are very much organized themself it's very difficult as a single employee to insist on anything.
Today when applying for a job and asked "Are you a member of an union?".
Don't say yes!

Illegal here in the UK, under the, Employment Relations Act 1999 (Blacklist) Regulations 2010 which came into force on 2 March 2010.

Illegal? Oh dear.
It's illegal here as well.
Since when were legislations like that being enforced in the UK?
My guess is that there are very few cases.
Today I read this.
http://www.thelocal.se/20160422/immigration-deportation-bangladesh-linkedin
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Message 1781577 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 7:13:07 UTC - in response to Message 1781573.  


Things like Minimum wage is needed because people wont pay fair wage for a fair days work even today.

There are countries that don't have the concept of minimum wage.
Yes. Sweden.
It's up to the employer and the employee to set a wage.
Which means that the wage could be anything.
Now since that almost every employer are very much organized themself it's very difficult as a single employee to insist on anything.
Today when applying for a job and asked "Are you a member of an union?".
Don't say yes!


Don't say yes Janne .... and that's discrimination not hiring someone because they are in a Union so much for freedom of association then .

In a Utopian world the boss wouldn't be trying to screw the worker all the time while giving himself a pay rise
It's not called discrimination here.
An employer have the right to choose from perhaps 200 to 300 applicants.
An union member who apply to a job often get the answer "You don't fit in our organisation".
Simple as that.


Just lie don't tell them , none of there business what union or political party your a member of . If there paying you above award wages or ward wages and your fine with that then the Union is not involved soo none of there business

Do you get good money Janne that's the mane thing no union work place is fine if the boss is fair and pays well
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Message 1781585 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 7:44:03 UTC - in response to Message 1781577.  

Do you get good money Janne that's the mane thing no union work place is fine if the boss is fair and pays well

Actually I'm already semi retired and it's only a few years when I go to full retirement.
And my "boss" are more dependant of me than he is of me:)
But I have also worked, before my position that I have now, on the factory floor.
In fact I and our PM Stefan Löfven was in the same union back in the 80's!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_L%C3%B6fven
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Message 1781682 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 15:53:32 UTC - in response to Message 1781509.  

While referring to Severe Economic Downturns as Depressions. Connotes a much longer period of time.

Would it have been better, for a quicker recovery. To have kept the term Panic?

Clyde, yes the length and depth of the down turn justified a new term to describe it, IMO.
Using a new term justified the use of new tools, Keynesian economics, to successfully stem the downward economic spiral. Once the crash occurred deflation started and that fed the downward spiral.
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