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Message 1777402 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 2:33:29 UTC

I've been spending almost all my free time for the last week+ setting up systems for cruching, initally did a couple manually, then got smart and made a master with most things loaded other than the vid drivers and BOINC apps. I installed those after I knew which GPU it was going to use.

Well, things have been going fairly swimmingly, though it's terribly boring, and noisey, but it is what it is, and they certainly won't load themselves. So, I imaged about ten 160 gig HD's and have been setting them up in the motherboards with the fastest procs, letting them run a bunch of tasks, looking for any errors and giving them a good burn in, then pulled them out and put them in a stack, waiting for the final install. So far so good.

I just now pulled another one off the stack, installed it, and booted it up. After it booted up, things seemed to be ok, went into Precision X16 and gave it a small tweek, cranked up the cooling fans to high to keep the GPU temps down, rebooted to make sure everything comes up without a complaint, and then enabled new tasks.

This HD is staying with this MB and Vid card, so as a final checkout, I let them run thru a bunch of tasks before I set them aside till I put them into the shelf/rack/whatever. So, this is the final testing before that happens, and as I said, I enabled new tasks, it connected properly, and started downloading tasks. I noticed that some of the CPU tasks started right away, so I kept on watching the active tasks, waiting for the GPU ones to start downloading and running as well.

In the log, it said it was downloading 100 tasks, and I watched them all download, but never saw the GPU start crunching even one. So... After this long, boring explanation, I was wondering what the odds are of me connecting and getting 100 fresh tasks, and all of them are CPU ones? It did say when it started downloading that it was requesting CPU and GPU tasks, but I got nary a one. Here is the beginning of the startup log, let me know if you see anything unusual, or something is misconfigured. Thanks!

4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.22 for windows_x86_64
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.45.0 OpenSSL/1.0.2d zlib/1.2.8
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Running under account Crunch
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950 (driver version 364.72, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.2, 2048MB, 1930MB available, 1828 GFLOPS peak)
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950 (driver version 364.72, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1930MB available, 1828 GFLOPS peak)
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Host name: Cruncher7-PC
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3370 @ 3.00GHz [Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10]
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 syscall nx lm vmx smx tm2 pbe
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Memory: 3.93 GB physical, 8.04 GB virtual
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Disk: 148.97 GB total, 115.77 GB free
4/8/2016 8:59:12 PM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 7971541; resource share 100
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Apr-2013 23:59:56)
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | | Reading preferences override file
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | | Preferences:
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | | max memory usage when active: 2014.36MB
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | | max memory usage when idle: 3827.28MB
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | | max disk usage: 74.49GB
4/8/2016 8:59:13 PM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Apr-2013 23:59:56)
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | | Reading preferences override file
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | | Preferences:
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | | max memory usage when active: 2014.36MB
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | | max memory usage when idle: 3827.28MB
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | | max disk usage: 74.49GB
4/8/2016 9:01:50 PM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
4/8/2016 9:02:09 PM | SETI@home | work fetch resumed by user
4/8/2016 9:02:12 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
4/8/2016 9:02:12 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
4/8/2016 9:02:14 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 100 new tasks
4/8/2016 9:02:16 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.159.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:16 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.237.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:18 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.159.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:18 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.237.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:18 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.146.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:18 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.32303.21335.11.38.214.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:18 PM | SETI@home | Starting task 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.159.vlar_0
4/8/2016 9:02:18 PM | SETI@home | Starting task 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.237.vlar_1
4/8/2016 9:02:20 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.146.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:20 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.32303.21335.11.38.214.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:20 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.80.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:20 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.132.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:20 PM | SETI@home | Starting task 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.146.vlar_0
4/8/2016 9:02:20 PM | SETI@home | Starting task 26au10aa.32303.21335.11.38.214.vlar_0
4/8/2016 9:02:21 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.80.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:21 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.132.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:21 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.111.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:21 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.152.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:23 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.111.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:23 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.152.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:23 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.199.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:23 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.30061.22971.10.37.223.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:26 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.199.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:26 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.30061.22971.10.37.223.vlar
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4/8/2016 9:02:26 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.64.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:27 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.30061.22971.10.37.225.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:27 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.64.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:27 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.30.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:27 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.241.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:29 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.30.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:29 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.241.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:29 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.243.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:29 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.30061.22971.10.37.122.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:31 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.243.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:31 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.30061.22971.10.37.122.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:31 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.9.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:31 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.185.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:33 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.9.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:33 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 26au10aa.32334.21335.12.39.185.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:33 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au10ab.32264.623324.5.32.15.vlar
4/8/2016 9:02:33 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 26au10aa.30061.22971.10.37.194.vlar

etc etc etc, and finally

4/8/2016 8:59:50 PM | | New system time (1460167190) < old system time (1460167577); clearing timeouts
4/8/2016 9:06:18 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
4/8/2016 9:06:18 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
4/8/2016 9:06:20 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
4/8/2016 9:06:20 PM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
4/8/2016 9:06:20 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home v7
4/8/2016 9:06:20 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
4/8/2016 9:06:20 PM | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress
4/8/2016 9:17:33 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
4/8/2016 9:17:33 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
4/8/2016 9:17:36 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
4/8/2016 9:17:36 PM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
4/8/2016 9:17:36 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home v7
4/8/2016 9:17:36 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
4/8/2016 9:17:36 PM | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

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Message 1777403 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 2:39:44 UTC

Well, I feel a little sheepish, I guess I probably should have checked quick before I hit the submit button on the post, because I found that I do have a few, maybe 10-15 GPU tasks now. Not nearly as many as I'd expect for this GPU, as I have it running 2 tasks at a time, but it is better than none!

So, in answer to my question, I guess the odds are 100% that it's possible. lol

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Message 1777404 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 2:41:16 UTC - in response to Message 1777402.  

looks like you got about 25 GPU work units.
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Message 1777405 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 2:47:04 UTC - in response to Message 1777403.  

Well, I feel a little sheepish, I guess I probably should have checked quick before I hit the submit button on the post, because I found that I do have a few, maybe 10-15 GPU tasks now. Not nearly as many as I'd expect for this GPU, as I have it running 2 tasks at a time, but it is better than none!

So, in answer to my question, I guess the odds are 100% that it's possible. lol

If you can't tell on the system where the tasks were assigned you can always check the host task list. It looks like that host did get 100 CPU tasks and now is up to 25 GPU tasks.
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Message 1777406 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 2:47:04 UTC - in response to Message 1777404.  

looks like you got about 25 GPU work units.

10, 25, obviously counting isn't my strong suit tonite, but I've got an excuse, lack of sleep, and I'm sticking to it!

Hey Zalster, take a look at my acct, quite a pile, eh? Can't wait to get them all running, I can't imagine what the heat output will be, but I'm pretty sure they won't be all running together till late next fall, I wouldn't be able to afford the energy bill for both the A/C and all these bad boys running... :-O

I'll just wait for the natural cooling, and duct in some -10 air into their work area, and call it a day. I can't imagine the heating bill will be too bad though!

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Message 1777409 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 2:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 1777406.  

Al,

I did notice the number of machines you are building.

Yup, power bills can come as quite a surprise.

Most people plan around natural cooling like you.

Come summer in the northern hemisphere, there tends to be a significant drop down computing power lol...

Good Luck with your systems.
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Message 1777414 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:08:52 UTC

I'm about done with the Vista stations, I have about 15 X3370's coming next week to put in the remaining stack of my MB's, and I am keeping the powder dry so to speak, and waiting till the (hopeful) update to Dotsch's Linux diskless config software, so they can all run headless and just boot off the network, and send the data to a centralized HD and then on to SETI. Looks to be quite a cool setup, it just won't work with the current v8, and I am a complete Lunix newb, so if it isn't pretty much installable, it's over my head.

Keeping my fingers crossed, and had talked with jason_gee about maybe taking a look at it in his spare time, he said he would try and do so, as well as possibly pulling in a few more Linux masters. That would be so cool to get it updated, I and a few others have said they would certainly use it, especially if the installation isn't over the top. :-)

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Message 1777416 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:12:03 UTC
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Oh, and one more question, I see on GPU-Z that the card is currently loaded at 63-70% running 2 tasks, would it make sense to crank it up to 3?

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Message 1777420 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:21:15 UTC - in response to Message 1777416.  

what you need to do is get an average time for running 2 at a time and divide it by 2 (probably a couple of days)

Then you crank it up to 3 and let it run for a couple of days. Get the average time for running 3 and divide by 3 and see if the time is less than it was for the 2 at a time.

If it is, then stick with 3.

But I'm going to guess that it probably isn't going to be faster.

I think the 950 isn't much faster than the 750Ti and 2 tends to be the sweet spot for that card (there are a few 750Ti that are OC and can do better with 3 but they are the minority)
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Message 1777431 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:39:26 UTC - in response to Message 1777402.  


4/8/2016 9:17:36 PM | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress


You will get that message if EITHER your cpu or gpu has reached a limit.

It's just a quirk in the messages the server sends back.
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Message 1777434 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:41:37 UTC

K, good to know, thanks. I'll do that once they are in place and running consistently, and we'll see if they're up to the task or not, but I'm with you, I think that they probably won't be able to handle 3. But it's worth a try!

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Message 1777437 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 1777420.  

I think the 950 isn't much faster than the 750Ti and 2 tends to be the sweet spot for that card (there are a few 750Ti that are OC and can do better with 3 but they are the minority)

I've tried 2 & 3 on my GTX 750Tis, and 2 is best.
On the longer running and mid range units you are more productive running 3 at a time, however the run time for shorties blows out hugely and the end result is you end up doing less work running 3 at a time than when running 2.
Hence why 2 is best.

It's just the nature of Maxwell cards with the current applications for long shortie run times (compared to previous hardware) & the more WUs you run at the same time, the worse those shortie runtimes become.


I've also tried different settings in the mbcuda.cfg file. Once again, bumping up the settings helped with longer running WUs, but shorter WU run times often doubled, or more.
For a dedicated cruncher I found setting processpriority to "high" resulted in improved runtimes for longer running WUs, without impacting on shortie runtimes- no better, no worse.
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Message 1777441 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:51:14 UTC - in response to Message 1777403.  

So, in answer to my question, I guess the odds are 100% that it's possible. lol

Nvidia CUDA applications can't handle crunching VLAR WUs, the system tends to become sluggish, in some cases bogged down to almost a standstill. And the WU runtime is often double (or more) the estimated time.
So if only VLAR work is available at that time, then only the CPU will pick up work.
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Message 1777442 - Posted: 9 Apr 2016, 3:55:52 UTC

Wow, lots of very good information, thanks guys. I guess I'm glad that I started this thread afterall, I'm learning new things all the time. And that's why I'm here!

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Message 1777889 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 18:59:08 UTC - in response to Message 1777437.  

I've tried 2 & 3 on my GTX 750Tis, and 2 is best.

On the longer running and mid range units you are more productive running 3 at a time, however the run time for shorties blows out hugely and the end result is you end up doing less work running 3 at a time than when running 2.
Hence why 2 is best.

It's just the nature of Maxwell cards with the current applications for long shortie run times (compared to previous hardware) & the more WUs you run at the same time, the worse those shortie runtimes become.

For a dedicated cruncher I found setting processpriority to "high" resulted in improved runtimes for longer running WUs, without impacting on shortie runtimes- no better, no worse.


Processpriority doesn't ring a bell, where would one find that setting, and also, would it make sense to configure my 7-900 series cards differently than the 2/4/5/600 series, as you mentioend that cards previous to Maxwell did better on shorties and higher GPU concurrent tasks? Or am I mis-readig that. Man, I tell ya, in a perfect world, I would have one set of hardware specs, all identical, for plug and play simplicity, but as the Powerball hasn't been good to me, I runs what I brung, so to speak. :-)

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Message 1777893 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 19:08:34 UTC - in response to Message 1777889.  
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I've tried 2 & 3 on my GTX 750Tis, and 2 is best.

On the longer running and mid range units you are more productive running 3 at a time, however the run time for shorties blows out hugely and the end result is you end up doing less work running 3 at a time than when running 2.
Hence why 2 is best.

It's just the nature of Maxwell cards with the current applications for long shortie run times (compared to previous hardware) & the more WUs you run at the same time, the worse those shortie runtimes become.

For a dedicated cruncher I found setting processpriority to "high" resulted in improved runtimes for longer running WUs, without impacting on shortie runtimes- no better, no worse.


Processpriority doesn't ring a bell, where would one find that setting, and also, would it make sense to configure my 7-900 series cards differently than the 2/4/5/600 series, as you mentioend that cards previous to Maxwell did better on shorties and higher GPU concurrent tasks? Or am I mis-readig that. Man, I tell ya, in a perfect world, I would have one set of hardware specs, all identical, for plug and play simplicity, but as the Powerball hasn't been good to me, I runs what I brung, so to speak. :-)

You will find it in your mbcuda.cfg
I have fired up the dual 771 Asus board I got from Timelord and have a 750 Ti running in it.
Until I get the CPU heatsinks bolted down I'm really just playing with the GPU. After running overnight with a default mbcuda.cfg & 2 tasks at a time I just switched to.

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Message 1777894 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 19:10:11 UTC

Oh, and one totally unrelated question that I've been meaning to ask for years, and finally thought to ask it... I noticed that on the posts in the forum, the date/time defaults to UTC time, is there a way to change it in the settings to display it to me as my local time? It'd be much easier to get my head around when posts were made if I could do so instead of having to work it out, especially if the time between a few postings is off a little. And also since I'm at it, to show AM/PM? I know, I'm lazy... Not a huge deal, but if there is a simple setting I've missed somewhere, I'd love to change it if I could. Thanks!

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Message 1777895 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 19:10:32 UTC - in response to Message 1777893.  

Thanks! I'll check it out.

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Message 1777898 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 19:24:54 UTC - in response to Message 1777894.  

Oh, and one totally unrelated question that I've been meaning to ask for years, and finally thought to ask it... I noticed that on the posts in the forum, the date/time defaults to UTC time, is there a way to change it in the settings to display it to me as my local time? It'd be much easier to get my head around when posts were made if I could do so instead of having to work it out, especially if the time between a few postings is off a little. And also since I'm at it, to show AM/PM? I know, I'm lazy... Not a huge deal, but if there is a simple setting I've missed somewhere, I'd love to change it if I could. Thanks!

BOINC doesn't offer any fora time/date display settings. I think since it is intended to work with scientific projects they decided that UTC would be good. Then there is no chance of someone getting confused if they miss-configure their time/location settings. Depending on where you live the time can be quickly figured.
For example:
If you are on EST then UTC-5
If you are on EDT then UTC-4
If you are on CST then UTC-6
If you are on CDT then UTC-5
If you have trouble with 24 hour time just remember to subtract 12 from any time over 12 to get the time in P.M. It might be helpful to add an additional clock in your Windows Time/Date settings. You could add a UTC time zone. Like this

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Message 1777901 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 19:36:24 UTC

I use Alpha Clock to put a small, movable digital clock on my screen, set to UTC for reference.
Very small, unobtrusive, synchs to your system clock.
I have used it for many years on XP and 7.
Not sure if it is also compatible with 10.

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