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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19057 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Seeing the order numbers, over 250,000, that Tesla report for its new car, I wonder if this is the right way to go. Emphasized by this report, Why an F1 car is more energy efficient than an electric car. If the motor industry were to take note and use the F1 technology, then vehicles could have an increase in fuel consumption of 50%. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Seeing the order numbers, over 250,000, that Tesla report for its new car, I wonder if this is the right way to go. Emphasized by this report, Why an F1 car is more energy efficient than an electric car. It's a bit misleading that story . There are a lot of country's now that are way more than 16 % renewable than America . So how would a F1 car go against those country at 25% renewable or more compare ? |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
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j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Interesting read. Yes. It depends in what country you live in. I'm fortunate to live an a country with lot's of hydro power. Still most use cars with fossile fuel. Why? It's cheaper of course:) |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Electric cars a good idea? Depends on how the electricity is generated and also the environmental impact of actually making the things (mining the ore for rare-earth magnets and smelting it can be quite... dirty, indeed, not to mention the various metals elsewhere in the car such as in the batteries). http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/aug/07/china-rare-earth-village-pollution Note: this affects not only electric motors, but also wind turbines (used to generate so-called clean, green energy) and a great many of your modern, high-tech wonder-gadgets. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
From my limited knowledge, I think hydrogen fuel cell cars would be good, but as has been pointed out, the process to create the alternate power source could cancel out the benefits. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
From my limited knowledge, I think hydrogen fuel cell cars would be good, but as has been pointed out, the process to create the alternate power source could cancel out the benefits. Hydrogen fuel cells are very good. But making hydrogen fuel... Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants? |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
But making hydrogen fuel... Right, that's a problem. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Hydrogen fuel cells are very good. So can any other source of electricity such as solar or wind. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Hydrogen fuel cells are very good. True. But there are so many countries that cannot produce so much solar or wind energy. Solar energy in countries in for instance Scandinavia and other Arctic regions. Forget that. Wind energy. Well. That works quite well in countries that have a western coast. Then if Donald Trump allows you to set up Wind Farms and not hide his precious view outside his golf course... |
Kevin Olley Send message Joined: 3 Aug 99 Posts: 906 Credit: 261,085,289 RAC: 572 |
Hydrogen fuel cells are very good. Yes, a garage just down the road from me was one of the ones used to refuel the Hydrogen fuel cell buses that were trialed for a time in London, the Hydrogen generating equipment was powered by two wind turbines. Kevin |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Hydrogen fuel cells are very good. Well. That's London. http://www.driving.co.uk/news/the-future-of-hydrogen-filing-stations-in-britain/ THE RESULTS of a four-year trial of hydrogen cars on the road in London, Copenhagen and Oslo were revealed last year — and the feedback was virtually all positive. Drivers loved the quiet drive, the performance and the reliability. The only real complaint was the lack of filling stations: there are only four fully accessible to the public in Britain. What about the rest of the world? http://www.netinform.net/H2/H2Stations/H2Stations.aspx?Continent=EU&StationID=-1 |
shizaru Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 1130 Credit: 1,967,904 RAC: 0 |
If the motor industry were to take note and use the F1 technology, then vehicles could have an increase in fuel consumption of 50%. And how much would Elon have to pay Toto for said privilege? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Good progress |
Kevin Olley Send message Joined: 3 Aug 99 Posts: 906 Credit: 261,085,289 RAC: 572 |
Hydrogen fuel cells are very good. Only just and only recently, Hornchurch used to be Essex but it has now been incorperated into London. The equipment is still in place but is not being used anymore. Kevin |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Hydrogen fuel cells are very good. See. That's Greater London But if you want to travel further? There is always a big problem with distribution of energy, no matter if it is electrical or hydrogenic. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Do f1 cars use batteries or capacitor batteries , as I believe they are limited in the amount of energy they can store and size of the battery you can make if there capacitor batteries Yes they are very efficient and charge like in a few minutes but can't hold as much energy yet and therefore not that use full for a full on electric car as yet How have they solved the problem of Hydrogen loss from the storage tanks as I believe Hydrogen leeks out of them as Hydrogen atoms are so small they can get through materials like steel witch is what the gas cylinders are normally made of ? Witch sort of makes me think there not as good as we are being told or at least there will be a lot of wasted Hydrogen that escapes into the atmosphere |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Do f1 cars use batteries or capacitor batteries , as I believe they are limited in the amount of energy they can store and size of the battery you can make if there capacitor batteries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_F1_W06_Hybrid You could have checked ... |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
If the motor industry were to take note and use the F1 technology, then vehicles could have an increase in fuel consumption of 50%. except no car today rpms over 7000...& F1 is doing 12000rpms frequently with a top of 15000rpm, but never reaches it! :/ but technology can be put to use in hybrids...an increase of up to 45% of thermal combustion transferred to energy is more than we have now! MUCH MORE! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
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