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Message 1776986 - Posted: 7 Apr 2016, 23:49:23 UTC

Seeing the order numbers, over 250,000, that Tesla report for its new car, I wonder if this is the right way to go. Emphasized by this report, Why an F1 car is more energy efficient than an electric car.

If the motor industry were to take note and use the F1 technology, then vehicles could have an increase in fuel consumption of 50%.
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Message 1777791 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 11:54:46 UTC - in response to Message 1776986.  

Seeing the order numbers, over 250,000, that Tesla report for its new car, I wonder if this is the right way to go. Emphasized by this report, Why an F1 car is more energy efficient than an electric car.

If the motor industry were to take note and use the F1 technology, then vehicles could have an increase in fuel consumption of 50%.


It's a bit misleading that story .

There are a lot of country's now that are way more than 16 % renewable than America . So how would a F1 car go against those country at 25% renewable or more compare ?
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Message 1777866 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 17:42:05 UTC - in response to Message 1777864.  

Interesting read.
Singapore levies carbon tax on used Tesla for electricity to recharge it

Yes. It depends in what country you live in.
I'm fortunate to live an a country with lot's of hydro power.
Still most use cars with fossile fuel.
Why? It's cheaper of course:)
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Message 1777873 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 18:21:04 UTC

Electric cars a good idea? Depends on how the electricity is generated and also the environmental impact of actually making the things (mining the ore for rare-earth magnets and smelting it can be quite... dirty, indeed, not to mention the various metals elsewhere in the car such as in the batteries).

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/aug/07/china-rare-earth-village-pollution

Note: this affects not only electric motors, but also wind turbines (used to generate so-called clean, green energy) and a great many of your modern, high-tech wonder-gadgets.
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Message 1777926 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 20:40:16 UTC

From my limited knowledge, I think hydrogen fuel cell cars would be good, but as has been pointed out, the process to create the alternate power source could cancel out the benefits.
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Message 1777931 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 21:24:15 UTC - in response to Message 1777926.  

From my limited knowledge, I think hydrogen fuel cell cars would be good, but as has been pointed out, the process to create the alternate power source could cancel out the benefits.

Hydrogen fuel cells are very good.
But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?
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Message 1777933 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 21:32:18 UTC - in response to Message 1777931.  

But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?


Right, that's a problem.
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Message 1777936 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 21:43:46 UTC - in response to Message 1777931.  

Hydrogen fuel cells are very good.
But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?

So can any other source of electricity such as solar or wind.
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Message 1777943 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 22:11:23 UTC - in response to Message 1777936.  

Hydrogen fuel cells are very good.
But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?

So can any other source of electricity such as solar or wind.

True.
But there are so many countries that cannot produce so much solar or wind energy.
Solar energy in countries in for instance Scandinavia and other Arctic regions. Forget that.
Wind energy.
Well. That works quite well in countries that have a western coast.
Then if Donald Trump allows you to set up Wind Farms and not hide his precious view outside his golf course...
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Message 1777946 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 22:29:24 UTC - in response to Message 1777936.  

Hydrogen fuel cells are very good.
But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?

So can any other source of electricity such as solar or wind.


Yes, a garage just down the road from me was one of the ones used to refuel the Hydrogen fuel cell buses that were trialed for a time in London, the Hydrogen generating equipment was powered by two wind turbines.
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Message 1777951 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 22:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 1777946.  
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Hydrogen fuel cells are very good.
But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?

So can any other source of electricity such as solar or wind.


Yes, a garage just down the road from me was one of the ones used to refuel the Hydrogen fuel cell buses that were trialed for a time in London, the Hydrogen generating equipment was powered by two wind turbines.

Well. That's London.
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/the-future-of-hydrogen-filing-stations-in-britain/

THE RESULTS of a four-year trial of hydrogen cars on the road in London, Copenhagen and Oslo were revealed last year — and the feedback was virtually all positive. Drivers loved the quiet drive, the performance and the reliability. The only real complaint was the lack of filling stations: there are only four fully accessible to the public in Britain.

What about the rest of the world?
http://www.netinform.net/H2/H2Stations/H2Stations.aspx?Continent=EU&StationID=-1
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Message 1777959 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 22:57:09 UTC - in response to Message 1776986.  

If the motor industry were to take note and use the F1 technology, then vehicles could have an increase in fuel consumption of 50%.


And how much would Elon have to pay Toto for said privilege?
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Message 1777964 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 23:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 1777951.  

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Message 1777980 - Posted: 10 Apr 2016, 23:28:02 UTC - in response to Message 1777951.  

Hydrogen fuel cells are very good.
But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?

So can any other source of electricity such as solar or wind.


Yes, a garage just down the road from me was one of the ones used to refuel the Hydrogen fuel cell buses that were trialed for a time in London, the Hydrogen generating equipment was powered by two wind turbines.

Well. That's London.


Only just and only recently, Hornchurch used to be Essex but it has now been incorperated into London.

The equipment is still in place but is not being used anymore.
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Message 1777993 - Posted: 11 Apr 2016, 0:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 1777980.  

Hydrogen fuel cells are very good.
But making hydrogen fuel...
Well, nuclear plants could easily do it but do we want more nuclear plants?

So can any other source of electricity such as solar or wind.


Yes, a garage just down the road from me was one of the ones used to refuel the Hydrogen fuel cell buses that were trialed for a time in London, the Hydrogen generating equipment was powered by two wind turbines.

Well. That's London.


Only just and only recently, Hornchurch used to be Essex but it has now been incorperated into London.

The equipment is still in place but is not being used anymore.

See. That's Greater London
But if you want to travel further?
There is always a big problem with distribution of energy, no matter if it is electrical or hydrogenic.
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Message 1778042 - Posted: 11 Apr 2016, 3:17:20 UTC
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Do f1 cars use batteries or capacitor batteries , as I believe they are limited in the amount of energy they can store and size of the battery you can make if there capacitor batteries

Yes they are very efficient and charge like in a few minutes but can't hold as much energy yet and therefore not that use full for a full on electric car as yet

How have they solved the problem of Hydrogen loss from the storage tanks as I believe Hydrogen leeks out of them as Hydrogen atoms are so small they can get through materials like steel witch is what the gas cylinders are normally made of ?

Witch sort of makes me think there not as good as we are being told or at least there will be a lot of wasted Hydrogen that escapes into the atmosphere
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Message 1778060 - Posted: 11 Apr 2016, 4:26:30 UTC - in response to Message 1778042.  
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Do f1 cars use batteries or capacitor batteries , as I believe they are limited in the amount of energy they can store and size of the battery you can make if there capacitor batteries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_F1_W06_Hybrid
You could have checked ...
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Message 1778080 - Posted: 11 Apr 2016, 5:56:11 UTC - in response to Message 1777959.  

If the motor industry were to take note and use the F1 technology, then vehicles could have an increase in fuel consumption of 50%.


And how much would Elon have to pay Toto for said privilege?

except no car today rpms over 7000...& F1 is doing 12000rpms frequently with a top of 15000rpm, but never reaches it!
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but technology can be put to use in hybrids...an increase of up to 45% of thermal combustion transferred to energy is more than we have now! MUCH MORE!
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