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Message 1779702 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 20:14:00 UTC

I still have not seen an answer to exactly what is my fair share of everything you have worked for. I'm serious, I'd like a figure or a percentage of what I can expect in the great redistribution.

I have had an epiphany! I've been on the wrong side of the question. As I'm nearing 70 I have decided to fully support the $15 an hour minimum wage. My thought being that since that would give a minimum 'livable income' of $30,000 a year to each worker then it's only logical to adjust the Social Security payments accordingly so that all seniors will also receive a 'livable income' of $30,000 annually.

At the very least we should then receive nutritional assistance(food stamps) and free wireless phones and high speed internet as do the rest of the population not receiving a minimum 'livable income'. This should be obtainable and could probably last around 15-20 years before the 'great financial collapse' by which time according to the actuarial tables I'll no longer be a part of the problem.......":D>

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Message 1779703 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 20:18:04 UTC - in response to Message 1779702.  

'great financial collapse'

Would you care to describe the mechanism of your hypothetical collapse.
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Message 1779710 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 20:24:57 UTC
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When a person refuses to help one man by way of not being able
to help every man he has abrogated responsibility to help any man!



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As long this condition exists, I have little hope for mankind....
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Message 1779744 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 22:08:40 UTC - in response to Message 1779702.  

I still have not seen an answer to exactly what is my fair share of everything you have worked for. I'm serious, I'd like a figure or a percentage of what I can expect in the great redistribution.

I have had an epiphany! I've been on the wrong side of the question. As I'm nearing 70 I have decided to fully support the $15 an hour minimum wage. My thought being that since that would give a minimum 'livable income' of $30,000 a year to each worker then it's only logical to adjust the Social Security payments accordingly so that all seniors will also receive a 'livable income' of $30,000 annually.

At the very least we should then receive nutritional assistance(food stamps) and free wireless phones and high speed internet as do the rest of the population not receiving a minimum 'livable income'. This should be obtainable and could probably last around 15-20 years before the 'great financial collapse' by which time according to the actuarial tables I'll no longer be a part of the problem.......":D>

Now listen very carefully youngster, you had your chance in the good times of the 70's and 80's to invest in housing and pensions, so if you are not comfortable in your retirement, it is your fault. Any figure you imagined, that in the redistribution, would be coming your way, has a negative sign in front of it.

On the $15/hr, be careful what you wish for. Here in the UK, the inflation busting, increase in minimum wage, has been met with shorter hours and decrease in perks. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/16/employers-claw-back-national-living-wage-cuts-pay-perks
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Message 1779752 - Posted: 16 Apr 2016, 22:21:59 UTC - in response to Message 1779744.  

On the $15/hr, be careful what you wish for. Here in the UK, the inflation busting, increase in minimum wage, has been met with shorter hours and decrease in perks. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/16/employers-claw-back-national-living-wage-cuts-pay-perks

Which goes to show the man will take as much as he can get away with.
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Message 1779814 - Posted: 17 Apr 2016, 2:01:44 UTC - in response to Message 1779702.  
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I still have not seen an answer to exactly what is my fair share of everything you have worked for. I'm serious, I'd like a figure or a percentage of what I can expect in the great redistribution.

I have had an epiphany! I've been on the wrong side of the question. As I'm nearing 70 I have decided to fully support the $15 an hour minimum wage. My thought being that since that would give a minimum 'livable income' of $30,000 a year to each worker then it's only logical to adjust the Social Security payments accordingly so that all seniors will also receive a 'livable income' of $30,000 annually.

At the very least we should then receive nutritional assistance(food stamps) and free wireless phones and high speed internet as do the rest of the population not receiving a minimum 'livable income'. This should be obtainable and could probably last around 15-20 years before the 'great financial collapse' by which time according to the actuarial tables I'll no longer be a part of the problem.......":D>


Well seeing as your have asked a serious question on fairness then i'll try and give you a idea of what is fair here in ozz.

I'll start by saying you have to work to get ahead in life if you wish to have a very comfortable life .

So first off your fair shear would start with you working for at least 25 years paying your taxes and not getting much help from any government .

That being said the minimum wage of $15 is roughly what we have so that is fair .

As for unemployment well that below the poverty line here as it should be to disencruge bludges to get off there back side and work so fair is having a mutula obligation to find work and actually work .so there will need to be penalty's for noncompliance but no limit on how long you can get said unemployment as you can't say you have 6 months or 12 months then to bad as it can take more than that for older people and by that I mean people over 45 to get a new job the average is 18 months for this group and 5-9 months for younger people .

As for a pension well here we say you should get 25% of the average weekly wage not minimum wage .

Average weekly wages are actually more than what 60% of people actually get .

So you would not get 30,000 here you get more like 20,000 and yes you do get subsides but you still have to manage your money and pay for phone , internet , without a subsidy only health care and electricity and rent if you don't own your house by the time you are getting the pension .

You qualify for the aged pension at 65 now and that will increase to 67 over the next few decades it used to be 63 but people do live longer and are in much better health so can work for a longer time seeing as the average age here is 78 for men and 83 for women
In your country I believe it's 68 for men and 72 for women(no universal health care )

The belief is that you should be able to live out your life with dignity and not struggle and die a bad death because of things that can be fixed to allow people that dignity .

It's not about sharing wealth witch is the Republican B/S angle

If the rich pay there fair shear then all taxes will be able to be reduced some thing that is lost by Republican types they actually will benefit more as a tax cut of 1% gives more money back to a rich man than a poor man or average Joe.

So now you have a yard stick to use as to what is fair or at least the Australian fairness or what we call mateship , looking after your mate when he is down and out and help to get him back on the right track of life not to put him down and then kick him in the guts followed by spitting on him as you walk away .
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Message 1779820 - Posted: 17 Apr 2016, 2:38:29 UTC

As for food stamps I can't believe you still do that as it's degrading to those that have to use them allows them to be traded for other goods and that usually is drugs or alcohol .

If your getting unemployment and are marred you won't get enough to party but will get enough money to buy your own food and not be degraded and humiliated witch is what food stamps do .

Every one knows your poor when you go to a supermarket and have to use food stamps , "ah look there another bludger he's using food stamps , get a job you bludger !"

Allow people some dignity and you lessen they problems such as depression witch leads to all sorts of bad behaviour including desperation and crime
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Message 1779822 - Posted: 17 Apr 2016, 2:58:41 UTC - in response to Message 1779820.  

As for food stamps I can't believe you still do that as it's degrading to those that have to use them allows them to be traded for other goods and that usually is drugs or alcohol .

We don't do physical stamps any more and haven't for years. Just called that by the super rich who wouldn't know what it was even if shoved up their ...

We use EBT. Electronic Benefit Transfer. A debit card.
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Message 1779823 - Posted: 17 Apr 2016, 3:15:53 UTC - in response to Message 1779822.  
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As for food stamps I can't believe you still do that as it's degrading to those that have to use them allows them to be traded for other goods and that usually is drugs or alcohol .

We don't do physical stamps any more and haven't for years. Just called that by the super rich who wouldn't know what it was even if shoved up their ...

We use EBT. Electronic Benefit Transfer. A debit card.


Good to here that's what is done here if you elect to use a retricted payment option for those with big problems concerning money and need some sort of big bro to stop them spending it on drugs alcohol or gambling but it is voluntary .

Otherwise you use your cash .
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Message 1780499 - Posted: 20 Apr 2016, 1:00:21 UTC - in response to Message 1779702.  

I still have not seen an answer to exactly what is my fair share of everything you have worked for. I'm serious, I'd like a figure or a percentage of what I can expect in the great redistribution.


Pick a year - any year - between '47 and '77 (hell '87 even) and you'll have an answer (a bunch of answers really) to your supposedly rhetoric and "unanswerable" question.

One answer could even be:

"Pretty much whatever it was for the first half of your working life you genius."
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Message 1780539 - Posted: 20 Apr 2016, 4:44:19 UTC

"Pretty much whatever it was for the first half of your working life you genius."
Just for purposes of clarification, is that meant as a personal insult?

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Message 1780719 - Posted: 20 Apr 2016, 14:37:52 UTC - in response to Message 1780539.  

"Pretty much whatever it was for the first half of your working life you genius."
Just for purposes of clarification, is that meant as a personal insult?


No, you're right. I don't know you well enough to tease you that hard.

I'll try that again:

"Pretty much whatever it was for the first half of your working life you genius."
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Message 1780868 - Posted: 21 Apr 2016, 1:31:17 UTC - in response to Message 1780699.  

Responding in kind. Regarding a personal attack against a Centrist/Conservative, by The Left. May result in


Clyde how can you be a Centrist and be a Conservative is that not burning the candle at both ends of the stick or to be more correct a contradiction ??
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Message 1781209 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 7:20:14 UTC

Apple should pay more tax says co-founder

"Apple channels much of its business in Europe through a subsidiary in the Republic of Ireland, which has a corporation tax rate of 12.5% compared to the UK's 20%.

In the US it's 35%, but three years ago the company admitted two of its Irish subsidiaries pay a rate of 2%. It has built up offshore cash reserves of around $200bn - beyond the reach of US tax officials."
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Message 1781313 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 16:12:13 UTC - in response to Message 1781209.  

Apple should pay more tax says co-founder

"Apple channels much of its business in Europe through a subsidiary in the Republic of Ireland, which has a corporation tax rate of 12.5% compared to the UK's 20%.

In the US it's 35%, but three years ago the company admitted two of its Irish subsidiaries pay a rate of 2%. It has built up offshore cash reserves of around $200bn - beyond the reach of US tax officials."

Actually not beyond reach. But they chose not to reach as they don't want other countries to reach into them.

Perhaps the solution is the base UN dues on the inverse of the corporate tax rate. So Ireland with its 2% rate will pay tons to the UN and the US with its 35% rate will pay pennies. Might provide incentive to get corporate tax rates uniform across the world. Of course it won't happen, there is too much money available for bribes.
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Message 1781364 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 20:26:12 UTC - in response to Message 1781209.  

Apple should pay more tax says co-founder


I've said it here before, but this is a much better opportunity to say it again:

Things don't work without a Wozniak :)

Gotta love the Woz.
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Message 1781436 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 0:05:51 UTC - in response to Message 1781364.  

Apple should pay more tax says co-founder


I've said it here before, but this is a much better opportunity to say it again:

Things don't work without a Wozniak :)

Gotta love the Woz.

+1

He was never into that 'turtleneck thing'.......never took himself too seriously, still doesn't.

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Message 1781811 - Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 22:48:37 UTC
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Joke of the day :)

EU to draw up tax haven blacklist


*cough*Lux*cough*Holl*cough*

...the EU is planning a crackdown on banks and tax advisers who help clients hide money offshore.


*cough*Juncker*cough*
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Message 1781970 - Posted: 24 Apr 2016, 8:24:03 UTC

Seriously, why is ANY of this an issue?

So-called 'tax havens' have been known about and used for decades. Why is it suddenly an issue?

Remember, businesses do NOT pay taxes... Their customers do.

If the tax burden on a business is increased, their customers will end up paying higher prices for the goods they buy.

Business taxes are a cost... Just like worker wages, or the various regulations that businesses are subject to such as environmental regulations, workplace safety regulations, etc. etc.

The market may be global, but taxes are national.

Of COURSE businesses and investors are going to shop around to find the most favorable places to reduce their costs in taxes, just like they shop around to find the most favorable places to reduce their costs in wages and in regulatory burdens. Fiduciary duty.

This isn't just a international problem but also an intranational problem.

A couple of examples:

The US State of Delaware has some very favorable laws on incorporation. So a large number of corporations in the USA are incorporated in Delaware.

The US State of Texas has some very favorable business tax rates. So, a large number of corporations in the USA have their corporate HQs in Texas.

Don't like it that Apple moved a lot of its business operations to Ireland with it's business tax rate of 12.5%, as opposed to the UK's rate of 20% or the USA's rate of 35%? Tough cookies. That is globalism for you.

You want to increase the taxes Apple has to pay? Well, the investors/owners of Apple are NOT going to take a hit on their dividends... The costs will be passed on to the customers of Apple in the form of higher prices.

And this is NOT tax evasion. This is just tax avoidance. The business and investors are just avoiding paying more tax than is necessary. No different from anyone else.

I am not that familiar with the tax systems on individuals in other nations... But here in the USA we have exemptions and deductions to reduce the income tax burden on individuals. Nobody *forces* people to take the VERY generous 'standard deduction' and 'personal exemptions'. Everyone does, however, unless they can further increase their tax savings by doing things like 'itemized deductions' instead of the 'standard deduction'. People aren't crazy. They don't want to pay any more in taxes than they have to. Businesses aren't crazy either.
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Message 1782040 - Posted: 24 Apr 2016, 13:54:15 UTC - in response to Message 1782032.  

Remember, businesses do NOT pay taxes... Their customers do.

Which effects the Poor and Lower Middle Class. More than anyone else.

Why would anyone implement Regressive Taxes. IE: Sales, VAT, Cigarette, Business - Passed on to the Consumer, et al. Against those most effected, and least able to afford?


with what has come out in the papers I'm wondering are they .If the dodgers payed there way how much less would every one including the dodgers pay maybe it's so big that the company's that do the offshore accounts wont make money .

No high commissions as it will cost people more than paying the tax in the first place

we can live in hope I spose Clyde
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