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Message 1767705 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 7:18:16 UTC
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Has been somewhat troubling to me as of late.

And this post has been coming for some time.

The Cafe has become at times a place of misfits and disgruntled what me nots.
All who are just waiting for another post to place another mislead, misinformed, and unrelated rant against another. That should be left to the politics free for all.

And I am not innocent.

I am sensing a greater cloud of angst here than I have in many, many years.
Personal attacks are rampant, even though forbidden expressly by the posting guidelines. There is no restraint anymore.

And unlike the 'mod wars' period when nothing was sacred, I am seeing that not much is anymore today either.

I am a man who feels it necessary to speak his peace. I shall always do so, and I have been excommunicated at times from these very forums because of that penchant.

This might seem odd, coming from me, but And I have SEEN the light...profanity in the clip excluded, of course...chuckles....

But, what I am getting at is that perhaps the time of free for all in the Seti Cafe has ended.

There are some who should obviously be modded that have not been enough. Myself included.
We do not have enough mods in enough time zones to deal with this.

I am no longer qualified to be a mod...been there done that. Failed.

Can we call on Fred to mod constantly? No, he is, and should be, the court of last resort.

I best get offa my high horse now, or nobody will take me seriously.

I am getting ready to step off my high horse without breaking an ankle.................ooops..

Dang, that hurt.
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Message 1767711 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 7:49:25 UTC

I'm probably guilty as charger here too.

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Message 1767716 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 8:11:32 UTC

Mark, I will add my 2 cents worth and say, The café has been getting rowdy. That's one reason I don't post in here like I use to.
I've seen to many personal attacks aimed at specific folks. Way to often.
And Yes I am guilty as charged also. Which is one of the reasons I don't post much on the main boards anymore.
Yes there are certain threads I keep an eye on. PTSD is one.
Politics is a free for all now. Even I don't like going there anymore.
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Message 1767752 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 12:36:08 UTC
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Life is a circle, my friends........
Those that are among the faithful shall remain.
Or at least, leave and then return./

Yes, even the kittyman has left at times, to always Return home to this project.

As it was written, as it shall always be.

Those that click the link shall understand.
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Message 1767765 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:35:10 UTC
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But these posts are not challenging the Moderation policy, not at all, they are simply reporting and agreeing what the current situation is. But they will be hidden in very short time, you just see. Probably because it could start a flame war by the usual culprits, which in itself will only justify what is being said in the first place.


I personally believe that any constructive discussion is welcome.

I am well aware of Chris's views and on a personal level would welcome any other comments. However should it degenerate into name calling and accusations then yes post will be hidden.

Please remember that just because a person has different politics, religious beliefs, or lifestyle does not make them wrong. I have totally different views on many subjects discussed both here and in politics, however it doesn't mean the other views are fundamentally wrong. If a person can convince me with a well thought out argument as to why my views are incorrect then I will listen.

I wonder if we can in fact have a constructive discussion.
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Message 1767766 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 13:38:44 UTC - in response to Message 1767765.  

By definition, all discussion deconstructs all the has come before it.
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Message 1767810 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 15:52:19 UTC - in response to Message 1767730.  



"...a magnet for the worlds waifs and strays, and the intellectually challenged. "

"*You want to bang your extreme (usually left wing) political drum, go to Politics where you can do so anonymously."

"*If you're one can short of a six pack and your day centre has closed, go to Seti, they'll welcome you. "

Even the science threads have deteriorated, the one place where idiots and politics tended not to appear, "

I do think that comments like these about other posters are a big part of the problem.

Do you think some people might be hurt or insulted when you say things like this? Or do you think you don't contribute to the ethos of the board somehow?
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Message 1767820 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 16:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 1767810.  



"...a magnet for the worlds waifs and strays, and the intellectually challenged. "

"*You want to bang your extreme (usually left wing) political drum, go to Politics where you can do so anonymously."

"*If you're one can short of a six pack and your day centre has closed, go to Seti, they'll welcome you. "

Even the science threads have deteriorated, the one place where idiots and politics tended not to appear, "

I do think that comments like these about other posters are a big part of the problem.

Do you think some people might be hurt or insulted when you say things like this? Or do you think you don't contribute to the ethos of the board somehow?

I believe.........
That if not for myself, some things would never have happened here.
I have contributed what I am able to have done, and much more, it seems.

You question is unfathomable to me at this time.
Just got the call from the wonderful folks at the kind cat friendly folks at the pharmacy. Kitty meds are on the way.

If there is anything I could help in any way with any others who have a fine companion on their last walk of life, please let me know.\



Anything else you should like to know?
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Message 1767822 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 16:53:59 UTC - in response to Message 1767820.  


I believe.........
That if not for myself, some things would never have happened here.
I have contributed what I am able to have done, and much more, it seems.

You question is unfathomable to me at this time.
Just got the call from the wonderful folks at the kind cat friendly folks at the pharmacy. Kitty meds are on the way.

If there is anything I could help in any way with any others who have a fine companion on their last walk of life, please let me know.\



Anything else you should like to know?

I am glad your kitty meds have arrived. We are all rooting for your cat.
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Message 1767825 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 17:10:40 UTC - in response to Message 1767822.  


I believe.........
That if not for myself, some things would never have happened here.
I have contributed what I am able to have done, and much more, it seems.

You question is unfathomable to me at this time.
Just got the call from the wonderful folks at the kind cat friendly folks at the pharmacy. Kitty meds are on the way.

If there is anything I could help in any way with any others who have a fine companion on their last walk of life, please let me know.\



Anything else you should like to know?

I am glad your kitty meds have arrived. We are all rooting for your cat.

Not arrived yet, but on the way.
I think all pet owners should know of Roadrunner Pharmacy.
They cater to all things medicinal for pets.
They have specifically compounded some medicines for Tigger that are not off the shelf, so to speak. Tigger's meds are unlike any other kitties' and they realize that.
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Message 1767845 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 18:03:45 UTC

I was shocked to discover how difficult being a moderator is. It is truly a struggle to make the Cafe a pleasant place for most.

A post that is acerbic does not necessarily violate forum policy, even if it is not very polite.

Public posts are an invitation to public comment and even, at times, public critique. There is a very fine line between public critique and a full attack.

When I whack a post, the poster at best becomes irate and, at times, becomes furious. When a post is red-X'd and I don't whack it, the red-Xer at best becomes irate and, at times, becomes furious.

I know that tone and intent are problematic to read into posts, but sometimes they are not. For example, I am pained to the point of tears when I read lines like,
*If you're one can short of a six pack and your day centre has closed, go to Seti, they'll welcome you."

We ALL contribute to the climate of these forums when we post things that are unkind.

I will be the first to admit that my posting history is not without acerbity. It is the rare regular poster who does not flare up from time to time. The quickest "fix" to making the tone of the Cafe more pleasant is for posters to make a concerted effort to be as kind as possible as often as possible.
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Message 1767861 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 18:53:00 UTC

A goal for all should be leave the world a little bit better than you found it. That is not hard to do.
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Message 1767889 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 20:49:26 UTC - in response to Message 1767730.  

I 100% agree with Mark, and James and I will add my 4C worth.

The Seti boards have degenerated into nothing more than a social networking competitor to Facebook, and a magnet for the worlds waifs and strays, and the intellectually challenged. The majority of posters having no interest whatsoever in the Seti science which underpins it all. The truth is that the word has gone round that Seti is a soft touch.

*Fed up with Facebook or Twitter, hey come to Seti, just as good to keep in touch with your mates, free PM system, and only means an hour or so a month to crunch for something you're not interested in.


Besides TimeLord looking for a temporary way to contact a friend, what evidence do you have for this???

Really, a bunch of the people that left here left in 2008 for reasons most of us know. Some never returned because, in the end, despite the sin of omission of a certain number, the others were found to be in the wrong. A large amount left because they too had been treated unfairly. Unfortunately, they also chose not to crunch along with leaving the fora. The moderation we see today is a result of evolution and is generally for the better. Those that left are largely on the social media sites you mentioned and are not coming back. This is all stuff you should know and understand.

I see no evidence for people being drawn here due to "a message board being better than a social media site" nor for the "light moderation". Message boards, to them, are ridiculously archaic. Moderation by the people connected to (the general) you, let alone by site administrators, at a place like Facebook is virtually non-existent.

I would never invite anyone here if I knew they had no interest in the search.

*You want to bang your extreme (usually left wing) political drum, go to Politics where you can do so anonymously.


Are you using a U.K. definition of "left"? I thought the US was thought of as being further right than the UK and much of the rest of the world. No?
Or, is it that you've ignored a poster such as Guy (under his many GUYses), among others?

Even the science threads have deteriorated, the one place where idiots and politics tended not to appear, not any more.


Yes? Then please do elaborate on how this is the case. I daresay what you see as a cause for deteroriation is not what I would say is a cause and vice versa.
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Message 1767897 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 21:39:23 UTC - in response to Message 1767845.  

I will be the first to admit that my posting history is not without acerbity. It is the rare regular poster who does not flare up from time to time. The quickest "fix" to making the tone of the Cafe more pleasant is for posters to make a concerted effort to be as kind as possible as often as possible.


Indeed. If you want to make it better, be part of the solution, not the problem.
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Message 1767902 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 21:56:26 UTC

*If you're one can short of a six pack and your day centre has closed, go to Seti, they'll welcome you."

It's only because I drank one on the way home.

Cheers :)

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Message 1767918 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 23:03:02 UTC

Just my 2 cents.

I`m not here because of the posts and posters i dislike.
I just ignore it.
I am here for those making this place valuable.


With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.
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Message 1767924 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 23:26:13 UTC - in response to Message 1767889.  

Regarding the PM system being, for lack of a better term, "abused" after I posted a link on the forum to a game on kongregate some spammer then joined seti and PM'd me a link to a game on another site.

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Message 1767927 - Posted: 26 Feb 2016, 23:50:12 UTC - in response to Message 1767897.  

I will be the first to admit that my posting history is not without acerbity. It is the rare regular poster who does not flare up from time to time. The quickest "fix" to making the tone of the Cafe more pleasant is for posters to make a concerted effort to be as kind as possible as often as possible.


Indeed. If you want to make it better, be part of the solution, not the problem.


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Message 1767946 - Posted: 27 Feb 2016, 1:07:50 UTC
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Just for what it's worth.

I work for what happens to be the top defense contractor in the nation as of now.

The contract runs through 2017 for the MATV defense vehicle.
Our closest competitor in the fire and rescue market LOST about 24 million dollars in their last quarter. Yes, that is in 3 months.

The only challengers left in our market are a few who are just staging tanks, as they say. All are losing money or just trying to remain in the game.

Pierce at present, has almost 50 percent of this nation's fire truck sales.
That means the odds are good that given half of every fire chief in the nation wants a Pierce truck.
They took about I think, 6 of our new Ascendent short ladders out on tour and sold over 50 of them.........preproduction models, not even being produced yet....far freaking out.
Spartah lost 24 Million dollars. I am not ashamed to link them. Go for it, you are quite done now.

And that includes specialized pumpers, aerials, and we are one of the few in the world that still makes tillers. Which are booked out until early 2017.
Heavy Duty rescues are booked into mid 2017.

I live a good life and job.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZA93CtQeyw&ebc=ANyPxKrfWKGH_AxRx6eE4DRSPJWX4d6-T6IGHpTXMvKDXo6w4gpRqHb8OrOweEOA4YuyQfJ3TvpG22o9SXmctSxZIzGUMfPhdw'] This is why and how I make a living. We build the best, and I take part in that.

Meow.
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Message 1767950 - Posted: 27 Feb 2016, 1:25:12 UTC

And, Chicago is an 'all Pierce' department.

Every single one on tour is a Pierce engine.
Every one.

And they take much pride in that.

As do we.

Milwaukee, Wisconsin also has no other engines in their fleet.
And that is a very big city. All Pierce.

So, I am a very tiny part of a big cog.

And very proud to be a little part of the big wheel that is Pierce.


Now you know what I do for a living.

Besides..........meowing,.
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